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Old 10-14-2012, 03:09 PM
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I made correction to my previous post. It should have stated 10th century for Camilla. Camilla royal line from Scotland (posted above) are not illegimate.

The line she shares with some of Diana's ancestor are the illegimate side. (See Brudenell post) are through Charles II.

Her Edmonstone ancestors married into the Scottish royal family. Her Keppel side is through Anne Lennox.
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true enough.. and its a very interesting note.. but as posted earlier, Diana also has legitimate descent from Scottish Kings as well from her descent from James Hamilton, 1st Earl of Arran, son of Mary Stewart, Princess of Scotland and grandson of James II of Scotland. From Mary of Guelders, Diana is a legitimate descendant of the Dukes of Burgundy and Dukes of Cleves..

Camilla's descent from the Charles II came from the Earls of Albemarle, who in turn got their royal descent from Lady Anne Lennox, later Countess of Albemarle, daughter of Charles Lennox, 1st Duke of Richmond, illegitimate son of Charles II of England..

Diana's legitimate royal descent from the House of Wittlelsbach also came from the line of the Dukes of Richmond, in her cases due to the marriage of Lord George Lennox to Lady Louisa Kerr, who herself is a legitimate direct descentant of Frederick V, Elector Palatine and Princess Elizabeth Stuart, parents of Sophia of Hanover.. their son was Charles Lennox, 4th Duke of Richmond, who became Duke of Richmond on 29 December 1806, after the death of his uncle, Charles Lennox, 3rd Duke of Richmond..
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I was able to trace her Hamilton line so I agree with you.

Do you have anymore information on which child of Elizabeth Stuart connects to Louisa Kerr?

I read Diana's mother also descends from one of the King James of Scotland through legitimate birth, but wasn't able to find a connection. Do you know how?

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thanks..

here is the line of lady Diana's legitimate descent from Princess Elizabeth Stuart
  • Princess Elizabeth Stuart
  • Charles I Louis, Elector Palatine
  • Karoline von der Pfalz, Duchess of Schomberg
  • Lady Federica Schomberg
  • Lady Caroline D'arcy
  • Lady Louisa Kerr
  • Charles Lennox, 4th Duke of Richmond
  • Charles Gordon-Lennox, 5th Duke of Richmond
  • Lady Cecilia Catherine Gordon-Lennox, Countess of Lucan
  • Lady Rosalind Bingham, Duchess of Abercorn
  • Lady Cynthia Hamilton, Countess Spencer
  • John Spencer, 8th Earl Spencer
  • Lady Diana, Princess of Wales
i tried to find a connection of descent of Baron Fermoy to King James I of Scotland.. but its really hard to find..

on the other hand, i found a connection to Diana with King Edward I of England and his wife Eleonor of Castile through their daughter, Elizabeth Plantagenet, Countess of Hereford.. here is the line..
  • Edward I of England
  • Elizabeth Plantagenet, Countess of Hereford
  • William de Bohun, 1st Earl of Northampton
  • Humphrey de Bohun, 7th Earl of Hereford
  • Lady Eleanor de Bohun
  • James Butler, 2nd Earl of Ormond
  • Eleanor Butler, Countess of Desmond
  • James FitzGerald, 6th Earl of Desmond
  • Jane FitzGerald, Countess of Kildare
  • Cormac na Haoine, 10th Prince of Carbery
  • Lady Ellen MacCarthy Reagh
  • William de Barry
  • Helena de Barry
  • Donal III O'Donovan,
  • Donal IV O'Donovan
  • Cornelius O'Donovan
  • Honoria O'Donovan (great grandmother of Edmond Roche, 1st Baron Fermoy)
  • Edward Roche
  • Edmond Roche, 1st Baron Fermoy
  • James Roche, 3rd Baron Fermoy
  • Maurice Roche, 4th Baron Fermoy
  • Frances Roche
  • Diana, Princess of Wales
the only problem is the legitimacy of Lady Ellen MacCarthy Reagh.. in some sources says illegitimate, other sources says she's legitimate.. nevertheless, Direct descendant of Edward I of England and Eleonor of Castile..

i'll try to find other connection with Scottish royal with that of the Fermoy families..
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I like reading this thread because of course all of the people mentioned are obviously the ancestors of the Duke of Cambridge as well and that's where my interest is.
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Diana's legitimate royal descent from the House of Wittlelsbach also came from the line of the Dukes of Richmond, in her cases due to the marriage of Lord George Lennox to Lady Louisa Kerr, who herself is a legitimate direct descentant of Frederick V, Elector Palatine and Princess Elizabeth Stuart, parents of Sophia of Hanover.. their son was Charles Lennox, 4th Duke of Richmond, who became Duke of Richmond on 29 December 1806, after the death of his uncle, Charles Lennox, 3rd Duke of Richmond..

The legitimacy of Karoline von der Pfalz (of Wittelsbach) ist disputed, as she derives from Charles I. Louis of the Palatinate's second marriage, which was morgantic and she was born before his first wife had died, the divorce having ben highly disputed at that time. While Charles is descended from the Electress Sophia, who was herself a Wittelsbach-princess of the Palatinate.
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Could her line to James of Scotland be through her mother's maternal line? I was trying that route.
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The legitimacy of Karoline von der Pfalz (of Wittelsbach) ist disputed, as she derives from Charles I. Louis of the Palatinate's second marriage, which was morgantic and she was born before his first wife had died, the divorce having ben highly disputed at that time. While Charles is descended from the Electress Sophia, who was herself a Wittelsbach-princess of the Palatinate.
true enough.. but, from i understand, a morganatic marriage is still for all intents and purposes legitimate.. also, despite the big fuss and scandal of Charles I Louis' divorce with his first wife, Charlotte of Hesse-Kassel, his children with Marie Louise were acknowledged by the Palatinate and were given titles of Count and Countess of the Palatinate.. also, England was not a solid practitioner of the idea of Morganatic marriage..
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Could her line to James of Scotland be through her mother's maternal line? I was trying that route.
that would very unlikely since the most of Frances' maternal side were commoners..

another possible line would be in one of the Baron Fermoy's maternal line.. but i'll try my best to trace it out..
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Here's her mother's side but it's to Robert III not through a James. I did see some interesting names that might lead to other branches on her mother's side but it's getting a bit late so maybe I'll try another day.

Robert III
Lady Mary Stewart
Elizabeth Douglas
James Forbes 2nd Lord Forbes
Duncan Forbes of Corsindae
William Forbes of Corsindae
Duncan Forbes of Monymusk
William Forbes of Monymusk
Sir William Forbes of Monymusk, 1st Bt
Sir William Forbes of Monymusk, 2nd Bt.
Sir John Forbes of Monymusk, 3rd Bt
John Forbes 4th of Boyndlie
George Forbes, 4th of Boyndlie
John Forbes, 5th of Boyndlie
Theodore Forbes
Katherine Scott Forbes
Jane Crombie
Ruth Littlejohn
Ruth Sylvia Gill
Frances Ruth Burke Roche
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wow.. thanks.. very interesting indeed.. another legitimate royal descent..
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true enough.. but, from i understand, a morganatic marriage is still for all intents and purposes legitimate.. also, despite the big fuss and scandal of Charles I Louis' divorce with his first wife, Charlotte of Hesse-Kassel, his children with Marie Louise were acknowledged by the Palatinate and were given titles of Count and Countess of the Palatinate.. also, England was not a solid practitioner of the idea of Morganatic marriage..
It's not that easy. Karoline of the Palatinate, in case she was recognised in the UK as legitimate, would have been higher up the line of sucession than her aunt Electress Sophie, because her father was Sophie's elder brother. As she had a son at the time of the decision on the Hanoveran succession and was married to a then British duke, I guess she was not deemed legitimate enough to inherit her grandmother Elizabeth Stuart's right to the British thrones. While her aunt Sophia was.
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She descends from both of Mary Stewart's children.

Robert III
Lady Mary Stewart
William Douglas, 2nd Earl of Angus
George Douglas, 4th Earl of Angus
Archibald Douglas, 5th Earl of Angus
Sir William Douglas
Sir Archibald Douglas
William Douglas, 9th Earl of Angus
Margaret Douglas married William Forbes of Monymusk
Sir William Forbes of Monymusk, 1st Bt
Sir William Forbes of Monymusk, 2nd Bt.
Sir John Forbes of Monymusk, 3rd Bt
John Forbes 4th of Boyndlie
George Forbes, 4th of Boyndlie
John Forbes, 5th of Boyndlie
Theodore Forbes
Katherine Scott Forbes
Jane Crombie
Ruth Littlejohn
Ruth Sylvia Gill
Frances Ruth Burke Roche
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I found another link between C&D. Both descend from James I daughter Joan. They are 14th cousins once removed, having the common ancestor of Claud Hamilton 1st Lord Paisley. Unfortunately it does not go to her mother's line but through Cynthia Hamilton.

They both have several Douglas', Hamilton's and Gordon's through their family so they might be related on several more fronts and we don't want to find out that they share so much DNA that they are particularly sisters....
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It's not that easy. Karoline of the Palatinate, in case she was recognised in the UK as legitimate, would have been higher up the line of sucession than her aunt Electress Sophie, because her father was Sophie's elder brother. As she had a son at the time of the decision on the Hanoveran succession and was married to a then British duke, I guess she was not deemed legitimate enough to inherit her grandmother Elizabeth Stuart's right to the British thrones. While her aunt Sophia was.
one great reason why Karoline was not chosen and was passed over for Sophia is because, Karoline was long dead by that time.. also, their marriage was done in Europe where the practice of morganatic marriage is strictly followed.. this would make their children legitimate, but does not possess any dynastic right to their father's claim.. i believe that the reason why Electress Sophia of Hanover was chosen because she's the senior most protestant relative of King James I.. but your are right, that Electress Sophia was not the senior most cognatic descendant of King James I to be protestant.. i believe it was Frederica Mildmay, Countess of Mértola, granddaughter of Charles I Louis of the Palatinate via her daughter Karoline of the Palatinate..

Electress Sophia being chosen as the heir is the best thing they can thing off.. despite of legitimate birth, Federica would be considered to low in rank to succeed Queen Anne.. plus, powerful countries such as the France, Spain, Modena and the Papal States still contest that James Francis Edward Stuart is the legitimate king.. declaring a mere countess of morganatic birth and who possessed no territorial power despite being of legitimate birth would weaken the claim for a new monarch.. Opposing countries would have a field day if parliament would chose Feredica as queen.. also, 56 people who had more legitimate hereditary claims were bypassed in favor of Sophia..

Because of the Act of Settlement, ensuring the Protestant Succession, on the death of Queen Anne on 12 Aug 1714, she was succeeded by the Elector of Hanover. This succession bypassed more than fifty people then living who had better claims to the throne according to primogeniture. The following chart will show those people, and only those who are relevant to this issue are included. Those living at Queen Anne's death are in capital letters:

King James I & VI of England and Scotland (156601625) and his wife Anne of Denmark (1574-1619) had the following relevant issue:
1. King Charles I of England and Scotland (1600-1649); m.Henriette Marie of France (1609-1669)
1.1. King Charles II of England & Scotland (1630-1685); m. Caterina of Braganza (1638-1705)
1.2. King James II & VII of England & Scotland, deposed 1688/9 by William & Mary; (1633-1701); m.1st Anne Hyde (1637-1671); m.2nd Maria Beatrice d'Este of Modena (1658-1718)
1.2.1. JAMES EDWARD Stuart, "The Old Pretender" (1688-1766); m.1719 Clementina Sobieska (1702-1735)
1.2.2. Queen Mary II of England and Scotland (1662-1695); reigned 1689-95; m.King William III (below)
1.2.3.Queen Anne of Great Britain (1665-1714); m.Pr George of Denmark
(1653-1708)
1.3. Mary (1631-1660); m.Pr Willem II of Orange-Nassau, Stattholder of the Netherlands (1625-1650)
1.3.1. King William III of England and Scotland, etc (1650-1702); reigned
1689-1702; m.Queen Mary II (above)
1.4. Henrietta (1644-1670); m.1661 Philippe, Duc d'Orleans (1640-1701)
1.4.1. ANNE d'ORLEANS (1669-1728); m.1684 King Vittorio Amedeo II of Sardinia (1666-1732)
1.4.1.1. VITTORIO AMEDEO OF SAVOY, Prince of Piedmont (1699-1715)
1.4.1.2. King CARLO EMANUELE III OF SARDINIA (1701-1773)
1.4.1.3. Marie Adelaide of Savoy (1685-1712); m.Louis, Dauphin of France
(1682-1712)
1.4.2.1. LOUIS, DAUPHIN OF FRANCE [later, King Louis XV] (1710-1774)
1.4.3. Maria Luisa of Savoy (1688-14 Feb 1714); m.King Felipe V of Spain
(1683-1746)
1.4.3.1. LUIS, INFANTE OF SPAIN [later, King Luis I] (1707-1724)
1.4.3.2. INFANTE FELIPE OF SPAIN (1712-1719)
1.4.3.3. INFANTE FERNANDO OF SPAIN [later, King Fernando VI] (1713-1759)
2. Elizabeth (1596-1662); m.Friedrich V, Elector Palatine, King of Bohemia
1619-21 (1596-1632)
2.1. Karl I Ludwig, Elector Palatine (1617-1680); m.1st 1650 (div 1657)
Landgravine Charlotte of Hesse-Cassel (1627-1686); m.2nd 1658 Baroness Marie Luise von Degenfeld
(1634-1677)
2.1.1. LISABETH CHARLOTTE (1652-1721); m.Philippe, Duc d'Orleans (1640-1701)
2.1.1.1. PHILIPPE II, DUC d'ORLEANS (1674-1723); m.Francoise Marie of France (1677-1749)
2.1.1.1.1. LOUIS [later, Duc] d'ORLEANS (1703-1752)
2.1.1.1.2. LOUISE d'ORLEANS (1695-1719); m.Charles, Duc de Berry (1686-1714)
2.1.1.1.3. MARIE ADELAIDE d'ORLEANS (1698-1743)
2.1.1.1.4. CHARLOTTE d'ORLEANS (1700-1761); m.1720 Francesco III d'Este, Duke of Modena (1698-1780; below)
2.1.1.1.5. ELIZABETH d'ORLEANS (1709-1742); m.1723 King Luis I of Spain
2.1.1.2. ELIZABETH d'ORLEANS (1676-1744); m.1698 Duke Leopold of Lorraine (1679-1729)
2.1.1.2.1. LEOPOLD OF LORRAINE (1707-1723)
2.1.1.2.2. FRANCIS STEPHEN OF LORRAINE (1708-1765); as of 1745 he was the EMPEROR FRANZ; m.1736 Archduchess Maria Theresia of Austria (1717-1780)
2.1.1.2.3. CHARLES OF LORRAINE (1712-1780)
2.1.1.2.4. ELIZABETH THERESE OF LORRAINE (1711-1741); m.1737 King Carlo Emanuele III of Sardinia (1701-1773)
2.1.1.2.5. ANNE CHARLOTTE OF LORRAINE (17 May 1714-1773)
2.1.2. Karoline, Raugraefin (1659-1696); m.1683 Meinhard von Schomberg, Duke of Leinster (1641-1719)
2.1.2.1. Lady Mary Schomberg ( - ); m.CtDegenfeld; she was probably alive at Anne's death, and may have had living kids, but I have no further details
2.1.2.2. LADY FREDERICA SCHOMBERG (d.1751); m.1st Robert D'Arcy, Earl of Holdernesse (d.1722); m.2d 1724 Benjamin Mildmay, Earl Fitzwalter (d.1756)
2.2. Eduard, Ct Palatine von Simmern (1625-1663); m.1645 Anna Gonzaga
(1616-1684)
2.2.1. Luise Marie, Css Palatine von Simmern (1647-1679); m.1671 Fst Karl
Theodor zu Salm (1645-1710)
2.2.1.1. PRINCE LUDWIG OTTO ZU SALM (1674-1738); m.1700 Pss Albertine Johannette of
Nassau-Hadamar (1679-1716)
2.2.1.1.1. PRINCESS DOROTHEA FRANZISKA AGNES ZU SALM (1702-1751); m.1719 Prince Nikolaus Leopold zu Salm-Salm (d.1770)
2.2.1.1.2.Pss ELISABETH ALEXANDRINE CHARLOTTE ZU SALM (1704-1739); m.1721 Pr Claude Lamoral de Ligne (d.1766)
2.2.1.1.3. Pss CHRISTINE ANNA LUISE OSWALDINE ZU SALM (1707-1777); m.1st 1726 Pr Joseph of Hesse-Rheinfels-Rotenburg (d.1744); m.2d 1753 Fst Nikolaus Leopold zu Salm-Salm (d.1770)
2.2.1.2. Pss ELEONORE CHRISTINA ZU SALM (1678-1737); M.1713 Conrad, Duc d'Ursel (d.1738); they may have had a kid before Anne's death, but I don't know for sure
2.2.2. ANNE, Css PALATINE VON SIMMERN (1648-1723); m.1663 Henri Julius, Pr de Conde (1643-1709)
2.2.2.1. LOUIS III, DUC DE BOURBON, PRINCE DE CONDE (1668-1710); m.1685 Louise Francoise de Bourbon (1673-1743)
2.2.2.1.1. LOUIS IV HENRI, DUC DE BOURBON, PRINCE DE CONDE (1692-1740); m.1713 Marie Anne de Conty (below)
2.2.2.1.2. CHARLES DE CONDE, PRINCE DE CHAROLAIS (1700-1760)
2.2.2.1.3. LOUIS DE CONDE, COMTE DE CLERMONT (1709-1771)
2.2.2.1.4. MARIE ANNE DE CONDE (1690-1760)
2.2.2.1.5. LOUISE ELIZABETH DE CONDE (1693-1775); m.1713 Louis Armand II, Pr de Conty (d.1727; below)
2.2.2.1.6. LOUISE ANNE DE CONDE (1695-1758)
2.2.2.1.7. MARIE ANNE DE CONDE (1697-1741); m.ca 1719 Louis de Melun, Duc de Joyeuse (d.1724)
2.2.2.1.8. HENRIETTE LOUISE DE CONDE (1703-1772)
2.2.2.1.9. ELIZABETH ALEXANDRINE DE CONDE (1705-1765)
2.2.2.2. MARIE THERESE DE CONDE (1666-1732); m.1688 Francois Louis, Pr de Conty (d.1709)
2.2.2.2.1. LOUIS ARMAND II, PR DE CONTY (1695-1727); m.1713 Louise Elizabeth de Conde (above)
2.2.2.2.2.MARIE ANNE DE CONTY (1689-1720); m.1713 Louis IV Henri, Pr de Conde (above)
2.2.2.2.3. LOUISE ADELAIDE DE CONTY (1696-1750)
2.2.2.3. ANNE LOUISE DE CONDE (1676-1753); m.1692 Louis Auguste de Bourbon, Duc de Maine (d.1736)
2.2.2.3.1. LOUIS II AUGUSTE, DUC d'AUMALE (1700-1755)
2.2.2.3.2. LOUIS CHARLES, PRINCE DE DOMBES (1701-1775)
2.2.2.3.3. LOUISE FRANCOISE, Mlle DU MAINE (1707-1743)
2.2.2.4. MARIE ANNE DE CONDE (1678-1718); m.1710 Louis Joseph de Bourbon, Duc de Vendome (d.1712)
2.2.3. BENEDIKTE HENRIETTE, Css PALATINE VON SIMEMRN (1652-1730); m.1668 Duke Johann Friedrich of Brunswick-Lueneburg (1625-1679)
2.2.3.1. Charlotte (1671-1710); m.1696 Rinaldo III d'Este, Duke of Modena
(1655-1737)
2.2.3.1.1. FRANCESCO III, DUKE OF MODENA (1698-1780); m.1720 Charlotte d'Orleans (above)
2.2.3.1.2. GIOVANNI FEDERIGO d'ESTE (1700-1727)
2.2.3.1.3. BENEDETTA d'ESTE (1697-1777)
2.2.3.1.4. AMALIA d'ESTE (1699-1778)
2.2.3.1.5. HENRIETTA d'ESTE (1702-1777); m.1st 1728 Antonio Farnese (d.1731); m.2d 1740 Ldgve Leopold of Hesse-Darmstadt (d.1764)
2.2.3.2. HENRIETTE OF BRUNSWICK-LUENEBURG (1672-1737)
2.2.3.3. WILHELMINE AMALIE OF BRUINSWICK-LUENEBURG (1673-1742); m.1699 Emperor Josef I (d.1711)
2.2.3.3.1.Archduchess MARIA JOSEFA OF AUSTRIA (1699-1757); m.1719 Elector Friedrich August II of Saxony, King of Poland (1696-1763)
2.2.3.3.2.Archduchess MARIA AMALIA OF AUSTRIA (1701-1756); m.1722 Elector Karl Albert of Bavaria, who became Emperor Karl VII (1697-1745)
2.3.Sophie of the Palatinate (1630-18 Jun 1714); m.1658 Elector Ernst August of Hanover (1629-1698)
2.3.1.ELECTOR GEORGE OF HANOVER -- became KING GEORGE I OF THE UNITED KINGDOM

we are talking about playing a game of thrones.. not all legitimate descendants are able to take their hereditary rights.. Wilhelm Karl, Duke of Urach was the legitimate heir to the throne of Monaco, but was passed over for his illegitimate niece Charlotte.. Alfonso de la Cerda, ancestor of the Dukes of Medinaceli is the legitimate heir to the throne of Castile, but was usurped by his uncle Sancho IV.. saying that her being of illegitimate line is the reason why she was debarred from the line of succession would be too absurd seeing there are other criteria to consider and Sophia fits the job perfectly..
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This succession bypassed more than fifty people then living who had better claims to the throne according to primogeniture. The following chart will show those people, and only those who are relevant to this issue are included.
The point is that all these people were Catholics. And the Catholic claim lay with the Stuart pretenders. No other Catholic had a better claim than the Stuarts.
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The point is that all these people were Catholics. And the Catholic claim lay with the Stuart pretenders. No other Catholic had a better claim than the Stuarts.
true enough.. but there is no other descendants from morganatic marriage too.. Catholics were debarred from the line of succession.. children of morganatic marriages does not inherit dynastic rights.. the Stuarts are out of the picture.. catholic relatives are also removed from the line of succession.. there is one close protestant relative but with obscure origins since she is a product of an unequal marriage.. so all bets goes to the nearest Protestant relative with unquestionable royal pedigree.. plus the fact that Sophia is a crowned ruler add more in the criteria.. given all the facts, Sophia is the best candidate.. but does that prove Karoline's illegitimacy? the answer is no..
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I'm liking the updated website for Althorp:
The New Home of Athorp House
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The current Duke Of Abercorn, James Hamilton is a first cousin of Diana's father, the 8th Earl Spencer. This makes him and William cousins as well but I don't what number. Anybody know?
I'm terrible at this stuff haha
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The current Duke Of Abercorn, James Hamilton is a first cousin of Diana's father, the 8th Earl Spencer. This makes him and William cousins as well but I don't what number. Anybody know?
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The closest common ancestor of James Hamilton, 5th Duke of Abercorn, and Prince William was James Hamilton, 3rd Duke of Abercorn.

James Hamilton, 3rd Duke of Abercorn -> James Hamilton, 4th Duke of Abercorn -> James Hamilton, 5th Duke of Abercorn
James Hamilton, 3rd Duke of Abercorn -> Lady Cynthia Hamilton -> John Spencer, 8th Earl Spencer -> Lady Diana Spencer - Prince William

That makes Prince William and the 5th Duke of Abercorn first cousins twice removed.
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