Run-up to the inquest into Diana's death

[sirhon11234]

No its not a catholic thing. I'am a catholic and not all funerals that I attended showed the body. For me personally at the age of 7 i fully believed that Diana was gone, was when Charles brought her body back home to england. The images of Diana's coffin arriving at the RAF Northolt airfield was enough for me to believe that she passed on.

 

[BeatrixFan]

It's a very personal thing I suppose. But there's always be those who want to see things from the cradle to the grave. I mean, if there weren't, why would we have pictures of private Royal funerals, for example, the pictures from the funeral of Princess Alice? Not a state funeral but pictures were there all the same.

 

[Jo of Palatine]

I wonder if there are any charges that could be levelled against him but whose statute of limitation runs out after 10 years.

Normally the fact that there is an ongoing investigation/inquest stops the limitation of time. Time starts when there is a verdict, I believe.

 

[MARG]

Normally the fact that there is an ongoing investigation/inquest stops the limitation of time. Time starts when there is a verdict, I believe.

How can there be a verdict? Unless that "verdict" is guilty, guilty and guilty. Guilty of being ex family, guilty of not being Diana's biggest fans, guilty of being alive when she and Dodi are dead.

Mr Al Fayed has made specific vicious accusations against members of the British Royal family, Prince's Philip and Charles our next King.

The fact is that to date there is no evidence whatsoever to support these allegations. Without substantiation how are these accusations to be aired?

Certainly not in a British Court of Inquest, which deals in facts and as such looks to be an action replay of the French court, and so Mr Al Fayed looks to try this 'case' in the media, believing (rightly) that he will not be afforded the opportunity to repeat his scurrilous lies under oath.

As for this story being about tragic lovers parted for eternity by cruel fate (or family) does anyone remember exactly when Diana and Dodi met, and how long their relationship actually was?

The media seem more than complicit in this action (with more headlines and deadlines in store, and one must not forget, the bottom line).

 

[sophie]

Dodie father

Dodie father should stop this now and let Diana and Dodie rest in peace, it was an accident!

 

[Suonymona]

Sometimes grief cannot be abated by facts when the heart wants more.

 

[Skydragon]

People go to Chapels of Rest don't they? I've been before now and found it an extremely helpful and healing process. When someone dies, you can't believe they've gone. Seeing them confirms it and you can move forward.

I think that depends on the circumstance of their death and for many just seeing the corpse does not allow them to 'move on', for some people that comes only with time and for others not at all.

Which is why I 'feel' for William, Harry and their father, to have this dragged on and on and on.......

 

[Jo of Palatine]

I think that depends on the circumstance of their death and for many just seeing the corpse does not allow them to 'move on', for some people that comes only with time and for others not at all.

Which is why I 'feel' for William, Harry and their father, to have this dragged on and on and on.......

I hope that reading the report by Lord Stevens enabled them to put the whole sordid mess at rest -if the trusted the investigation (and I think they do) then they knew then what had happened.

 

[corazon]

No, this six month delay has nothing to do with the jury. It's all al Fayed's own work. Although the inquest was about to start this week, he needs "more time". Obviously nine-plus years has not been long enough.

thanks for the answer, the infomation in spanish in confused, I read that the juez want the time to october
http://es.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=entertainmentNews&storyID=2007-03-06T155056Z_01_SAN656671_RTRIDST_0_OESEN-GENTE-DIANA-JUICIO.XML

 

[zhontella]

Did you really want to see pictures of Diana, with a trickle of blood coming from her forehead, how about the one of them trying to resusitate her, how about her damaged heart, did you want her filmed all the way to the mortuary, the post mortem?

More pictures might have allayed some of the suspicions put onto the royal establishment. The pictures I would most like to see are from the cameras in the tunnel which were "not working" that night, or more probably were working but confiscated into secrecy.

Then I'd like more pictures to determine if Diana was, by some reports, walking around after the accident? I suppose whoever claimed that was ridiculed and mocked into silence.

As I said before, there's no need to twist this into something sick like a morbid fascination with blood and death. That's just another tactic to bully someone into silence.
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[zhontella]

Daily Express: The World's Greatest Newspaper

Show us Diana's murder letters

06/03/07

By Padraic Flanagan

Excerpts: "A CACHE of letters from Prince Philip which led Princess Diana to fear for her life has sensationally gone missing, a court was told yesterday........................................"

"The letters were seized during a police raid on the home of Diana’s former butler Paul Burrell, who was entrusted to keep them as proof of the threat against her by the terrified Princess................."

"Mr Al Fayed’s lawyer, Michael Mansfield, QC said he wanted answers from the Royals about their dealings with the police and demanded to know the whereabouts of key letters written by and sent to Diana......"

"But, at a pre-inquest hearing, a lawyer acting for the Metropolitan Police said they had disappeared.........."

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Doesn't that just make ya just wanna go Hmmmmmmmmm?

 

[Chiyo]

Considering the source, no, not really.

 

[Elspeth]

More pictures might have allayed some of the suspicions put onto the royal establishment. The pictures I would most like to see are from the cameras in the tunnel which were "not working" that night, or more probably were working but confiscated into secrecy.

Then I'd like more pictures to determine if Diana was, by some reports, walking around after the accident? I suppose whoever claimed that was ridiculed and mocked into silence.

But if it's true that she wasn't, then there wouldn't be any pictures (on account of it didn't happen), so we'd be back where we are now - with people who think she was murdered saying that the evidence has been concealed. It's a no-win situation.

 

[sassie]

This is from what Al Fayed says Diana told him.
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Al Fayed says a lot of things. Some of which are so patently ludicrous, they defy even the slimmest shred of credulity.

 

[Jo of Palatine]

More pictures might have allayed some of the suspicions put onto the royal establishment. The pictures I would most like to see are from the cameras in the tunnel which were "not working" that night, or more probably were working but confiscated into secrecy.

Then I'd like more pictures to determine if Diana was, by some reports, walking around after the accident? I suppose whoever claimed that was ridiculed and mocked into silence.

Why do you need pictures to determine that she was walking? The first doctor on the stage and the people of the fire brigade said that they needed 45 minutes to cut her out of the car. Independent experts all over the world say that in a case like that you need help within 20 minutes, otherwise there is no way you are going to survive. And the whole proofs, reliable, well-established proofs are in the Paget-report.

As for the cameras that were turned off - things like that happen. In Germany a lot of traffic lights on the motorways through towns are switched off by night... Don't you think that with that much money involved pics or witnesses would have turned up by now to claim that the cameras were working in fact? How many people do you think are in the know with such a plan? The whole fire brigade plus ambulance team plus doctors who are on service during the night in a large city like Paris?

As fro prince Philip: the report has established that Diana in fact feared the prince. But that was before her divorce. The letter Burrelll presented was written before her divorce. Of course she was afraid then, because then the "establishment" has something to win from her death: Philip's son would have been spared a divorce and a hefty payment. They could have buried her in all honours because she still was a memeber of the Royal family then and all would have been happy (except the boys, of course - but hey, they don't count for the granddad, according to al-Fayed...)) But afterwards? Sorry, Diana was on the straight and fast line towards ridiculing herself in public with a boyfriend like Dodi. What better thing could have happened than her marrying Dodi, losing the name "princess of Wales" and become the neglected and complaining wife of yet another poor husband....

Where is the motive there and then?

 

[Skydragon]

"The letters were seized during a police raid on the home of Diana’s former butler Paul Burrell, who was entrusted to keep them as proof of the threat against her by the terrified Princess."
Doesn't that just make ya just wanna go Hm

"the terrified princess", did I miss that one?

It was Di posing for the photographers on a boat wasn't it, or was that a look a like? If Burrell had anything else sensational, I'm sure we would have heard about it long before now. Perhaps he is saving the contents of those letters (which if they had been that 'juicy', he would have photocopied or scanned) for when his job of promoting a wine runs out!

Make me want to go Hmm, no it makes me want to go

 

[sassie]

"the terrified princess", did I miss that one?

It was Di posing for the photographers on a boat wasn't it, or was that a look a like? If Burrell had anything else sensational, I'm sure we would have heard about it long before now. Perhaps he is saving the contents of those letters (which if they had been that 'juicy', he would have photocopied or scanned) for when his job of promoting a wine runs out!

Make me want to go Hmm, no it makes me want to go

We HAVE heard about it long before now. Burrell quite clearly stated that Prince Philip and Diana did have sharp words during the course of their correspondence-from both sides-but that they also forged an amicable relationship as a result. Burrell's statements that have been largely ignored by the press when they got in the way of painting a portrait of a "terrified" princess.

I'm no fan of Burrell's, but he hasn't been the one putting forth the image that Diana was in fear for her life that last summer. If anything, he's continually stressed that she was developing mutual conciliatory friendships with her former parents in law and husband.

Ambiguous conspiracy theories don't make me go "Hmm" either-they simply make me wonder why Prince Philip waited until a year after the divorce when he had 16 years to make that call to his alleged henchmen.

 

[selrahc4]

Fayed will never let Diana rest in peace
by Allison Pearson
Fayed will never let Diana rest in peace | the Daily Mail

Yesterday, Lady Butler-Sloss accepted that the inquest should be postponed until October because Fayed's lawyer argued there was a massive amount of work to do. What, after nine and a half years?
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Meanwhile, William and Harry, once again, have to suffer the ploughing up of their dead mother's most intimate affairs.

 

[Skydragon]

Burrell's statements that have been largely ignored by the press when they got in the way of painting a portrait of a "terrified" princess.
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The pictures that were on the television and in the UK press that summer, did not show a picture of a 'terrified' Di. The articles in most UK papers about her at that time, painted a less than flattering picturer, not fostering the illusion of a terrified woman.

I wasn't suggesting that Burrell had 'put forth' the image that she was terrified, but that if he had anything incriminating against Prince Philip, he would have scanned or copied it, for release in a tell all book.

If he had anything really incriminating do any of us think he would be reduced to 'Australian Princess' or promoting wine?

 

[sassie]

I wasn't suggesting that Burrell had 'put forth' the image that she was terrified, but that if he had anything incriminating against Prince Philip, he would have scanned or copied it, for release in a tell all book.

I know. I was agreeing with you. If Burrell did have some belief that the Princess was terrified, he wouldn't have put forth the opposite view.

 

[Iluvbertie]

Could one or more of our British posters tell me what a juror is paid for doing jury service?

Do they get so much per day? Does it equal their normal pay? Does their employer have to make up the difference? Does their employer have to continue employing them? Can the employer sack them for not being at work if the jury service is too long?

Recently in NSW we had a jury trial aborted when one of the jurors simply told the judge that they couldn't continue sitting on the jury as it was costing them too much money - the daily allowance wasn't covering the mortgage and their employer wasn't required to pay them anything during this period, although they couldn't be sacked either.

This is why I am curious about the payment of jurors and their job protection etc as this case could go for eight months - that is a long time to be away from a job, particularly if the payment isn't at least matching the normal pay.

Personally I certainly couldn't afford to do an eight month case as I wouldn't be able to last on my savings for that long and the daily rate wouldn't cover anywhere near my expenses (and I don't have a mortgage but I do have rates etc).

 

[BeatrixFan]

Everyone has to do jury service unless you're in a reserved occupation or an occupation that makes you biased. For example, nuns can't do jury service. If you work, your loss of earnings is reimbursed and your travel expenses to the court are also paid but if you're unemployed, you just get travel expenses. Sometimes the jury are accomodated in a hotel which the court pays for but mostly you go home after each day. Once you've turned 18, you have to do jury service at least once. Employers can't sack you whilst you're on court and probably take a temp if the case is extremely pro-longed.

 

[Chiyo]

I'll come clean: I know exactly how Diana died | Dt Opinion | Opinion | Telegraph

Boris Johnson weighs in, with his usual flair.

 

[BeatrixFan]

Well said Boris. And I never thought I'd say that.

 

[sirhon11234]

Well that Boris' comment was somewhat true and somewhat unproductive.

 

[Esmeralda]

I'll come clean: I know exactly how Diana died | Dt Opinion | Opinion | Telegraph

Boris Johnson weighs in, with his usual flair.

Brilliant. Just brilliant. I always wondered what had become of Nessie; I didn't realize she'd gone to France!

 

[ysbel]

We're re-opening this thread after a massive cleanup. Remember to keep it civil and stay on topic.

Regards,
Your British forum moderators

 

[Skydragon]

I know. I was agreeing with you. If Burrell did have some belief that the Princess was terrified, he wouldn't have put forth the opposite view.

Sorry.

 

[Skydragon]

Could one or more of our British posters tell me what a juror is paid for doing jury service?

Jury service

Home Office | Jury service

 

[Iluvbertie]

Jury service

Home Office | Jury service

Thank you.