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Old 05-26-2017, 02:03 AM
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SEBASTIAN SHAKESPEARE: Feuds behind Diana's funeral | Daily Mail Online

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I don't know why, when it comes to stories about Diana's life and passing, there's an incredible amount of lies involved. It's like she's been turned into a blank canvas; used for anyone to paint their hearts out.
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Old 05-27-2017, 05:29 PM
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Yes, but I think that this was a continuation of how Diana was viewed during her life. This was especially true during her early years in the Royal Family. When she was with Charles on tours or on engagements at home, he made the speeches. People could see in her what they wanted to see, because we didn't know much about what she was like behind the scenes. It wasn't until Diana started making heart-felt speeches in the 90s--which were a bit too heart-felt at times--we didn't really know how she felt about things. That changed with the Panorama Interview.
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Yes, but I think that this was a continuation of how Diana was viewed during her life. This was especially true during her early years in the Royal Family. When she was with Charles on tours or on engagements at home, he made the speeches. People could see in her what they wanted to see, because we didn't know much about what she was like behind the scenes. It wasn't until Diana started making heart-felt speeches in the 90s--which were a bit too heart-felt at times--we didn't really know how she felt about things. That changed with the Panorama Interview.
When did the public 'know' (for certain, I know it was long speculated) that Diana was behind the Morton book? Because that was certainly Diana telling how she felt about things. I view that book as her first 'interview' that began the whole unravelling.
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Yes, she had a bad marriage, but I don't think it excuse people from just lying about her and her death continuously. It's like people enjoy coming up with rumors about the lady.
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Old 05-28-2017, 12:18 AM
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Yes, she had a bad marriage, but I don't think it excuse people from just lying about her and her death continuously. It's like people enjoy coming up with rumors about the lady.
Whose doing that? Where is that happening? What's being said that are lies? Just wondering.
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Old 05-28-2017, 12:39 AM
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Whose doing that? Where is that happening? What's being said that are lies? Just wondering.
I'm talking about the many things that's been said over the years. The many books, tv shows, documentaries and movies. Let's not leave out the stuff people have written online too. I mean this woman's life and death has been turned into a blank piece of canvas. One can write and paint her in kind of way to ones heart desire. Truth is no longer there...unless ones family is speaking out.
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Old 05-28-2017, 12:43 AM
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Lady Nimue is correct, Diana: Her True Story was published in 1992 and after Diana's death it was re-released as "Diana: Her True Story In Her Own Words. Many of the things written in there were actually untrue as originally they were written by an angry spouse but embellished by an avaricious author. How many other authors got to flog the same book twice.

You can hardly blame the tabloids for following suit. But if I recall correctly from the time of Diana's death until her funeral I remember very public ill will between Charles Spencer and the BRF before any official announcements were made about the funeral, although I seem to remember some talk of a private "Family Funeral". Spencer family that is.

Do I believe he wanted to walk alone behind her coffin? Absolutely, after the fact that an official funeral was essential he still wanted it to be all about him and wouldn't he have looked tragic walking alone behind the coffin. Failing that, he took a cruel and vicious swipe at the BRF during the eulogy. It seemed that Charles was as unreasonable and unpredictable as Diana had ever been. His so-called Eulogy cemented that notion of spite more than anger or grief.
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Old 05-28-2017, 01:34 AM
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Lady Nimue is correct, Diana: Her True Story was published in 1992 and after Diana's death it was re-released as "Diana: Her True Story In Her Own Words. Many of the things written in there were actually untrue as originally they were written by an angry spouse but embellished by an avaricious author. How many other authors got to flog the same book twice.

You can hardly blame the tabloids for following suit. But if I recall correctly from the time of Diana's death until her funeral I remember very public ill will between Charles Spencer and the BRF before any official announcements were made about the funeral, although I seem to remember some talk of a private "Family Funeral". Spencer family that is.

Do I believe he wanted to walk alone behind her coffin? Absolutely, after the fact that an official funeral was essential he still wanted it to be all about him and wouldn't he have looked tragic walking alone behind the coffin. Failing that, he took a cruel and vicious swipe at the BRF during the eulogy. It seemed that Charles was as unreasonable and unpredictable as Diana had ever been. His so-called Eulogy cemented that notion of spite more than anger or grief.
Charles Spencer didn't want to walk behind his sisters ciffin so it could be all about him. It was a mutual decision within both families. He didnt take a swipe at the royal family during the service. He just spoke the truth about his dead big sister. It was a very emotional time for both families.
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At least Margaret was not hypocritical, unlike too many on that day.
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Yes, but I think that this was a continuation of how Diana was viewed during her life. This was especially true during her early years in the Royal Family. When she was with Charles on tours or on engagements at home, he made the speeches. People could see in her what they wanted to see, because we didn't know much about what she was like behind the scenes. It wasn't until Diana started making heart-felt speeches in the 90s--which were a bit too heart-felt at times--we didn't really know how she felt about things. That changed with the Panorama Interview.
well Diana can't win, can she? when she didn't make speeches much, she was viewed as not very intelligent, when she did make speeches they are now judged as too heartfelt.
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well Diana can't win, can she? when she didn't make speeches much, she was viewed as not very intelligent, when she did make speeches they are now judged as too heartfelt.
In a way, yes. But that's the way of the press. That's who she made her pact with, bottom line. I also think the 'too heartfelt' is referencing the overly personal admissions, heart-on-her-sleeve self-confessional-type moments. Diana did not have boundaries, that was both her tragedy and the aspect that endeared her to so many. She was 'sharing' with her public like a friend and they adored her for it, while others (like the tabloid press) reverted to stand-by British sensibilities to judge those moments. Can't win for losing should be a tabloid truism. (It certainly applies to Charles).

Off-topic: Diana's biggest mistake was that she lived her life through the lens of the camera and saw herself through her press clippings, a sad state of affairs for anyone.
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Off-topic: Diana's biggest mistake was that she lived her life through the lens of the camera and saw herself through her press clippings, a sad state of affairs for anyone.
That is a quite good summary of Diana's royal and post-royal life, I must say.
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Maybe it's been discussed here already, from the recent documentary about events surrounding Diana's funeral:

Hidden turmoil behind Diana's funeral revealed in documentary - Lifestyle - NZ Herald News

Oh my! Most poignant of all was how the Duke of Edinburgh cried out with anguish during the phone conference:

"It's about the boys, they've lost their mother!" I recall how Philip encouraged William about walking behind the casket, and that he would join in walking with him and Harry to be supportive.

Understandably Charles, Earl Spencer was tense and angry about everything.

How heartbreaking that 12-year-old Prince Harry had begged his father that he wanted to go with him to Paris to accompany his mother's body back to Britain.
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How heartbreaking that 12-year-old Prince Harry had begged his father that he wanted to go with him to Paris to accompany his mother's body back to Britain.
Such a needless tragedy. Too young, too soon, for anyone.
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I also think the 'too heartfelt' is referencing the overly personal admissions, heart-on-her-sleeve self-confessional-type moments. Diana did not have boundaries, that was both her tragedy and the aspect that endeared her to so many.
In retrospect, I prefer her pre-Settelen speeches: I get the sense that the later speeches were very much about herself. She was using the venue of a charity appearance to talk about her own problems--either directly or indirectly. She was reaching out to her public in the best way she knew how, asking for understanding and sympathy. However, that isn't the purpose of royal visits to charity. The purpose is to draw attention to the charity's cause and offer thanks on behalf of the nation for what the charity attempts to do.

I remember Diana with fondness. She was an important person to me during my 20s and early 30s. I think that she accomplished some very good things during her short life, in spite of her significant problems.
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Exactly. That's what I meant.

In retrospect, I prefer her pre-Settelen speeches: I get the sense that the later speeches were very much about herself. She was using the venue of a charity appearance to talk about her own problems--either directly or indirectly. She was reaching out to her public in the best way she knew how, asking for understanding and sympathy. However, that isn't the purpose of royal visits to charity. The purpose is to draw attention to the charity's cause and offer thanks on behalf of the nation for what the charity attempts to do.

I remember Diana with fondness. She was an important person to me during my 20s and early 30s. I think that she accomplished some very good things during her short life, in spite of her significant problems.
Her focus and dedication was to her charities. She worked very hard on representing them and highlighting their causes. I think had she lived, we would've saw greater results of help on those many causes. The problem is with her very untimely passing, we didn't get a chance to see what she would've been able to do.
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I think that when it came to things such as the landmine campaign, she was able to step outside of herself and really focus on the job at hand. It was the same with her work with sufferers of various diseases such as cancer, AIDS, leprosy, etc. It was more in her speeches about bulimia and depression that she seemed to inject too much of herself into her speeches. I didn't like her tone in those speeches, such as when she joked about "postponing" her "nervous breakdown to a more appropriate moment" That was simply self-centered. There was no need for her to reference the rumors about herself during the speech.

I respect the amount of charity work that Diana did. I think that it was important. That doesn't mean that I think she sometimes used her speeches to signal about how hard-done-by she was.
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in that speech, Diana was replying to stories that she was going to give up her charity work because she had had a recurrence of bulimia.. She was clearly under a lot of strain and perhaps it would have been better for her to really give up her work for a bit but she didn't want to do that. So she made some slightly hysterical jokes about her "being ill" and having a nervous breakdown. It was perhaps foolish of her but given the strain she was under, I would not want to be too harsh on her. Problaby had she given up her wrok completely to focus on having therapy or a rest, her detractors would have attacked her for not doing any charity work
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