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Old 12-19-2010, 05:26 PM
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I've often wondered what Diana's mother thought of these references to "mother figures".
It must have hurt her. I know when Diana, Princess of Wales died they were not talking. That must have been hardest of all.

I think Princess Diana's mother was there for her until Francis' 2nd marriage failed. Her mother helped her with wedding plans, defended her to the press on the train incident, defended her to Prince Charles about Prince Harry being health was more important than a girl baby, and took vacations together. I think Princess Diana and her mother were the same in temperament and stunning looks. Their relationship might have been difficult because of this.
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Old 12-19-2010, 06:06 PM
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I recall in interviews Princess Diana talk about being or feeling lonely. She had a soft spot for those who were lonely. I wonder when she went away to boarding school if she didn't feel lonely there.

I myself never went to a boarding school (I went through the American Public School system). I knew women who have gone to boarding school. Very different experiences. Many of these women were not close to the parents (it's hard to be when you don't see them very often). Their nanny or a staff at the boarding school where they went became a second mother to them. Sometimes they would tell them things that they wouldn't tell their parents because they felt closer to them. I would imagine they never told their parents this as they probably would be hurt by this.
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Old 12-19-2010, 09:56 PM
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Frankly... none of us really know what the relationship was like in private between Frances and Johnnie Spencer except for rumors that have floated around. The facts are that she did lose custody of the children to their father and the testimony of Frances' own mother did have a lot to do with it.

An unstable home I think was on of the reasons Diana had "fairy tale" ideas on marriage when she first married Charles. The happily ever after idea is great in fairy tale books but the reality is that in order to be happily ever after in today's world, the couple actually has to work at it... its give and take and compromising and working as a team. This was the stumbling block with BOTH Diana and Charles. Unable to form a strong relationship on common ground between the two of them, naturally the marriage went downhill from there. They both craved a loving relationship and to be honest, I do think they both deserved one. Perhaps this is also the reason why there was a divorce between Frances and Johnnie. What happened behind closed doors we can only speculate on
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Old 12-20-2010, 02:25 AM
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I agree, and her step-grandmother's, Barbara Cartland's, gifts of romantic novels didn't help matters much. If a person reads a lot of those without having any real experience with romantic relationships, they can give a person a really skewed view of what marriage is like. No one could live in that romantic state all the time and get any work done.



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An unstable home I think was on of the reasons Diana had "fairy tale" ideas on marriage when she first married Charles.
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Old 12-21-2010, 06:05 PM
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Princess Diana's last and favorite nanny made public that when she met Diana the first time Diana told her was she would not marry anyone except for love. Later, Lady Diana wrote her old nanny that she felt safe marrying Prince Charles because he would not be able to divorce her.

The divorce of Diana, Princess of Wales' parents really affected her personal relationships.

Francis Shand Kydd cared for her feelings and not her childrens. If Earl Spencer was a wife beater how come we never heard Raine Spencer complain? Francis at the end of her life did good deeds, but was an alcoholic.

Ms Shand Kydd took her second divorce hard. Princess Diana was on the phone with her constantly until they had their last falling out.
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Old 12-21-2010, 06:17 PM
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Princess Diana's last and favorite nanny made public that when she met Diana the first time Diana told her was she would not marry anyone except for love. Later, Lady Diana wrote her old nanny that she felt safe marrying Prince Charles because he would not be able to divorce her.
So she didn't marry for love but for the believed safety that she couldn't be divored.

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The divorce of Diana, Princess of Wales' parents really affected her personal relationships.

Francis Shand Kydd cared for her feelings and not her childrens. If Earl Spencer was a wife beater how come we never heard Raine Spencer complain? Francis at the end of her life did good deeds, but was an alcoholic.
Abuse doesn't have to be physical to be abuse - verbal and psychological abuse is just as destructive but not as visible.

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Old 12-21-2010, 06:39 PM
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I think more that she thought as a Royal and next in the line he would never be able to get a divorce. Also maybe that he wouldn't do things that might cause a divorce to happen. Of course we all know they were able to get a divorce.

I think they both loved each other. I also think that the problem was that she was young and they rushed it way too quickly. Maybe if they had known each other for more then 6months they may have been a better couple.
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Old 12-22-2010, 04:45 PM
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So she didn't marry for love but for the believed safety that she couldn't be divored.
I think Diana, married for love in her own childish, way. But the safety of no divorce was important too.
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Old 12-22-2010, 06:06 PM
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Post divorce did Diana see her mother? I believe she lost custody of the children but I'm assuming she still had visitations? I know she saw them on the weekends prior to the divorce. Least I think I haven't really read up on that bit in a while. I'm just going by memory.
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Old 12-22-2010, 06:17 PM
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Didn't she remarry soon afterwards and move out of the country or am I confusing her with Sarah's mother.

Ok I checked wiki, yes I know they aren't the most reliable. Essentially she lost custody of the kids because she cheated with a married man. Didn't Diana's father also cheat with a married woman. Apparently France's mother took her SIL side. (wow what a great mom). She moved to the island of Sell (west coast of scotland) with the person she cheated with. It does say that the kids visited often.

No wonder Diana had relationship issues. I had forgotten some of this.
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Old 12-22-2010, 07:46 PM
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Sarah's mom also remarried and moved to Argentina
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Ah so she musta lost sole custody but sustained visitation I think I got confused by the way Bradford had worded it all.
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Old 12-24-2010, 12:53 PM
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Ah so she musta lost sole custody but sustained visitation I think I got confused by the way Bradford had worded it all.
Yes, Mrs Francis Shand Kidd had visitation and shared responsibility of Princess Diana's education and then living arrangements and jobs. Francis seemed to try and be in Princess' life till her death. Even after Diana died her mother shredded a lot of stuff at KP.
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Old 12-25-2010, 12:37 AM
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Mr. Shand-Kydd had a ranch in Australia, and they would spend part of the year there as well as in Oban. Diana spent two weeks at the ranch after Charles proposed and before their engagement was announced.


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They were such similiar women in so many ways.
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Yes, that's true. It's a shame that both their lives ended sadly, Diana's ending shockingly and Frances' after a broken marriage and illness.


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Princess Diana stated that she was like her mother, Francis. A good actress because she was able to hide her feeling in public with a smile but in reality hurting inside.
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Some pictures:

theprincessdianafan2's blog - Page 345 - Blog de sur Princess Diana , Willam & Catherine et Harry - Skyrock.com
theprincessdianafan2's blog - Page 344 - Blog de sur Princess Diana , Willam & Catherine et Harry - Skyrock.com
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Diana was an adorable baby; and her mother was pretty.
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... If Earl Spencer was a wife beater how come we never heard Raine Spencer complain? Francis at the end of her life did good deeds, but was an alcoholic.
raine spencer was a completely different personality than francis....it's not uncommon for a spouse to be abusive with a former spouse and not abusive with a current spouse.
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