Diana's Styles and Titles

[magnik]

• The Honourable Diana Spencer (1 July 1961-9 June 1975)
• The Lady Diana Spencer (9 June 1975-29 July 1981)
• Her Royal HidhnessThe Princess of Wales (29 July 1981-28 August 1996)
• Diana, Princess of Wales (28 August 1996-31August 1997)

The style "Princess Diana" was incorrect at all times of her life (often used by the public and the media). After her divorce in 1996 The Princess of Wales became known as Diana, Princess of Wales based on the divorce settlement signed by the Queen, although even this style would have lapsed if Diana had remarried. The family bond remained, however, as Diana was the mother of the future King. Diana, Princess of Wales herself made a point of correcting people who used it.

[branchg]

Well, the Palace also often referred to her as "Princess Diana", even after the divorce, so it's safe to say The Queen allowed this style informally since Diana was the mother of a future king.

[Furienna]

So it's wrong to say "princess Diana"? Should we just say "Lady Diana" or "Diana, princess of Wales"?

[branchg]

Originally Posted by Furienna

So it's wrong to say "princess Diana"? Should we just say "Lady Diana" or "Diana, princess of Wales"?

At the time of the divorce, the Palace spokesman said Diana should be addressed as "Ma'am" or "Princess". In general, she was referred to as "The Princess" formally.

Again, this was more of a gesture to Diana's position as the mother of a future king, rather than correct from a protocol standpoint. Technically, as she was no longer a princess of the UK or HRH after the divorce, she should have been addressed as "Lady Diana".

[EmpressRouge]

For those who have watched the great French film Amélie, you'll notice that Collignon and Lucien et al. refer to her as "Lady Di."

[Duchess]

Originally Posted by EmpressRouge

For those who have watched the great French film Amélie, you'll notice that Collignon and Lucien et al. refer to her as "Lady Di."

this "Lady Di" reference is the one that really annoys me (not that how I feel makes a lick of difference) but reading an article some years bac where she said she didn't like being called Lady Di and asked people not to call her that. i know that it's an especially common reference in the US (not a slam against the US).

[windsorbrides1]

By the rite of marriage to HRH Charles, Prince of Wales, Diana obtained her titles, and she retained the title of Lady of Spencer, as it was a hereditary title. Her are all of Diana's titles:

(Formerly HRH)
Diana Frances Spencer Windsor,

Princess Of Wales,
Duchess Of Cornwall,
Duchess Of Rothesay,
Countess Of Chester,
Countess Of Carrick,
Baroness Of Renfrew,
Lady Of Spencer
Great Stewardess Of Scotland,
Lady Of The Isles

[Elspeth]

I don't think Charles's Great Steward title has a female counterpart for his wife. However, by marriage to Charles she also became Princess of Scotland.

The Baroness title is Baroness Renfrew, there's no "of."

[branchg]

The Spencer earldom was granted as a personal title "The Earl Spencer", not after a place "Earl of Spencer". So, Diana was never "Lady of Spencer".

HRH Charles, Prince of Wales is also incorrect. He is styled HRH The Prince of Wales, along with all of his other titles as the heir to the throne. His birthright style was HRH Prince Charles of Edinburgh.

There is no such thing as Great Stewardess of Scotland or Lady of the Isles for a wife of the heir. She simply holds all the titles granted to the heir as a matter of form, not the ancient honours.

[Elspeth]

You mean Regiments.org has it wrong in its listing of her where it includes "lady of the Isles"?

http://www.regiments.org/biography/royals/1947camC.htm

Where is the source saying that the wife of the Lord of the Isles doesn't become the Lay of the Isles? There seem to be different opinions about it.

[magnik]

Originally Posted by branchg

The Spencer earldom was granted as a personal title "The Earl Spencer", not after a place "Earl of Spencer".

However, a provision of Sarah, Duchess of Marlborough's will was that he should not accept a court or parliamentary position himself but, in 1761, he was created Baron and Viscount Spencer, and four years later, John became the First Earl Spencer. [...] The title Earl Spencer was created in 1765. The subsidiary titles of Lord Spencer are: Viscount Spencer, of Althorp in the County of Northampton (created 1761), Viscount Althorp, of Althorp in the County of Northampton (1765), Viscount Althorp, of Brington in the County of Northampton (1905), and Baron Spencer of Althorp, of Althorp in the County of Northampton (1761).
http://www.e-paranoids.com/e/ea/earl_spencer.html
http://www.althorp.com/SpencerFamily...eSpencers.aspx

Originally Posted by branchg

There is no such thing as Great Stewardess of Scotland or Lady of the Isles for a wife of the heir. She simply holds all the titles granted to the heir as a matter of form, not the ancient honours.

Diana
As wife of HRH The Prince of Wales, Diana became HRH The Princess of Wales upon her marriage. By virtue of being the wife of the heir to the Throne, she was also Countess of Chester, Duchess of Cornwall and Rothesay, Countess of Carrick and Baroness of Renfrew.
http://mypage.uniserve.ca/~canyon/diana.htm#Married (#16) I guees that she was Lady of the Isles and Princess of Scotland too like Camilla is.
Camilla
Her Royal Highness The Princess Charles, Princess of Wales and Countess of Chester, Duchess of Cornwall, Duchess of Rothesay, Countess of Carrick, Baroness of Renfrew, Lady of the Isles, Princess of Scotland.
http://www.duchess-of-cornwall.co.uk...wall-title.htm

[branchg]

Originally Posted by Elspeth

You mean Regiments.org has it wrong in its listing of her where it includes "lady of the Isles"?

http://www.regiments.org/biography/royals/1947camC.htm

Where is the source saying that the wife of the Lord of the Isles doesn't become the Lay of the Isles? There seem to be different opinions about it.

The titles "Baron of Renfrew and Lord of the Isles, Prince and Great Steward of Scotland" are ancient holdings of the eldest son of the Scottish king after the War of the Roses. They merged with the British Crown when James VI became Sovereign of Great Britain.

The British heir to the throne continues to hold them as a symbol of union with Scotland and his wife is styled "Baroness Renfrew, Lady of the Isles and Princess of Scotland", but technically they are not titles held in the peerage and retained by the heir.

The styles are correct, but not really used as titles.

[branchg]

Camillia holds the style of "HRH The Princess Charles, Duchess of Cornwall and Duchess of Rothesay", but legally is HRH The Princess of Wales, et al.

[sara1981]

Originally Posted by magnik

Camilla: Her Royal Highness The Princess Charles, Princess of Wales and Countess of Chester, Duchess of Cornwall, Duchess of Rothesay, Countess of Carrick, Baroness of Renfrew, Lady of the Isles, Princess of Scotland.
http://www.duchess-of-cornwall.co.uk...wall-title.htm

i read Camilla's websites but she still as Duchess of Cornwall but she will known as Princess of Consort when Charles become King of England

[magnik]

Originally Posted by sara1981

i read Camilla's websites but she still as Duchess of Cornwall but she will known as Princess of Consort when Charles become King of England

Becouse as I read and hear somewhere that she want to be known as a DoC not a PoW like Diana was, or smth like that. But as a wife of The Prince of Wales she is legally The Princess of Wales too, like Diana was.

[sara1981]

Originally Posted by magnik

Becouse as I read and hear somewhere that she want to be known as a DoC not a PoW like Diana was, or smth like that. But as a wife of The Prince of Wales she is legally The Princess of Wales too, like Diana was.

you're right but i wanted know makes sure if im right or im wrong

[sassie]

Originally Posted by branchg

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HRH Charles, Prince of Wales is also incorrect. He is styled HRH The Prince of Wales, along with all of his other titles as the heir to the throne. His birthright style was HRH Prince Charles of Edinburgh.

I thought his birthright style was HRH The Prince Charles of Edinburgh?

[Elspeth]

He wasn't the son of the monarch when he was born; I think the The was added when the Queen succeeded to the throne.

[branchg]

When Charles becomes King, Camilla automatically becomes Queen as the wife of the Sovereign.

Since the precedents established in Parliament in 1936 made clear the wife of the King is Queen under the statutory succession, it would take an Act of Parliament for Camilla to hold a lesser style, rank and title.

It remains to be seen whether the Prime Minister and Government will be willing to pass the legislation required when the time comes.

[sassie]

Originally Posted by Elspeth

He wasn't the son of the monarch when he was born; I think the The was added when the Queen succeeded to the throne.

Oh, I see. I always forget she wasn't the monarch when he was born. Thank you!