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Old 05-24-2016, 09:51 PM
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There was still coverage of her charitable works, particularly of her trips re the landmines campaign. In general, though, she was getting more and more bad publicity. There were newspapers (tabloids) that were removed from shelves after she died. It's as though she became saintly overnight. It was a strange time. Things are a lot more balanced now.

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So the media actually turned against her in the end? They seem to have collectively forgot about that, possibly they feel guilty because of the accusations the media drove her to her death (i don't remember much about that time, wasn't a Diana-follower, but the accusations towards the media i remember)
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Old 05-24-2016, 11:31 PM
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They hadn't "turned against her" but they had become more critical. Most royals have up adn down periods with the press, the public and press get bored with totally "gooey" coverage, and there are always going to be critical stories. Diana had largely had the press on her side during the war of the Waleses so that wasn't going to go on forever. And her own behaviour seemed a lot more erratic in the last few years and the public were beginning to be less sympathetic towards her so the coverage reflected that.
She had had a lot of sympathy at first, but when it emerged that she was complaining about Charles having an affair with Camilla, but that she herself had had 2 relationships with married men which had led to the mens' wives getting very fed up, sympathy began to cool. And the vicious rows and mud slinging between herself and Charles had begun to disgust and bore people and they were tired of the story..
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Old 05-29-2016, 04:54 PM
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I don't mean to bad mouth the dead but one unfortunate legacy of hers that the RF is trying to get rid of is the access she allowed the media. She opened a door to them that everyone seems to be trying to close.
I don't want to make this a blame Diana thing, but media access and intrusion is part of her legacy.
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Old 05-29-2016, 05:09 PM
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Once again we are veering further and further away from the topic and so some posts have had to be deleted. Whilst it is recognised that part of Diana's legacy will undoubtably be carried on through her sons, comparing the Princes' work ethic against one against the other or with their father's is not what this thread is about.
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Old 05-29-2016, 06:57 PM
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I hope it is OK to reply to Xenia as it is about Diana's legacy.. I have to agree. I think she did, without meaning to, let the meda in too much, and now her sons, while they do carry on some of her work, are trying to get rid of the Meida. Im not sure that's a bad thing.
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Old 05-29-2016, 08:00 PM
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Diana re4alized they were not in step with the times. The media figured out that other than celebrity, what is there.
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Old 05-29-2016, 08:12 PM
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I hope it is OK to reply to Xenia as it is about Diana's legacy.. I have to agree. I think she did, without meaning to, let the meda in too much, and now her sons, while they do carry on some of her work, are trying to get rid of the Meida. Im not sure that's a bad thing.
I think its telling that William doesn't put Charlotte and George on display in front of 12 photogs like Diana and Charles did when he was young. First at 9 mos them toddling around in the blue snow suit then right before Harry was born. The cute piano photo shoot with all 4 of them was more intimate than the previous 3.
Granted William and Harry have been burned by the press even after their mom died; but they and all the royals seem to want to keep them at more of a distance.
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Old 05-29-2016, 09:03 PM
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I do think that the Cambridges could have one video session like the one for little William and Harry without it being too disturbing for their children. However, looking at the bigger picture I do feel the younger royals believe, as Harry said once, 'There is no private life any more'.

Since Leverson there has been less and less pouncing by a dozen or more papparazi. However, replacing that more and more are ordinary people with cameras/cell phones. They weren't around really in Diana's day (goodness knows how she would have coped) but her children and other members of the BRF have had to contend with people tweeting about them on the Internet, 'You wouldn't believe who I just saw...!' and also taking photos of them out walking, shopping, going to work, having a cup of coffee, even sitting in the cinema.

I'll never forget seeing a photo taken by someone of Harry, Cressida, Eugenie and their friends sitting in a cinema, and all around them were pinpoints of light from cell phones held up by other patrons. Who would want to live life every day like that? Diana never lived to see it but I don't think she would have been able to stand it. It's bizarre.
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Old 05-30-2016, 06:47 AM
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I follow some 'fan' accounts on Twitter dedicated to Diana and one account in particular tweets a lot of 'on this day' type a things, old newspaper clippings and headlines.

What struck me is just how much attention was actually focused on her fashions and social life.

A lot of us have been conditioned to believe it was all about Diana's charities and good works but more often than not, the headline was about her new outfit or what social event she would be attending.

This was before the internet and social media so she was spared in a certain sense but it's still eye opening to look back at old newspapers and read headlines from the Diana days.

That celebrity aspect she brought to the monarchy, is one of her biggest legacies (good or bad)
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Old 05-30-2016, 06:04 PM
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I don't actually think media access to the royals is Diana's legacy. Allowing media access is something the Queen seems to have started in the late 60's, and Charles continued the 'tradition' in the 80's with his young family. It's something he continues, in fact. I've seen a couple of television documentary-like films now centering on Charles and his work (Highgrove gardens, Scotland restorations) that are very interesting. Diana never did that kind of media except when she was connected to Charles as his wife.

Diana's media legacy is hard to pin-point imo. She was a celebrity (by virtue of her social position, age, and looks) who decided to use the media for her own purposes, and was magnificently adept at doing so. When that started is hard to say as there are hints that she was 'in on the game' as early as the pre-engagement flurry. None of the Dodi Fayed summer activity would have been tabloid fodder had not Diana actively worked with the press.
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Elizabeth made.documemtaroes aboit her family but it was Diana who leaked stories to the press and made friends with journalist and set up photo ops of her going to amusemt parks with her kids. Then there was the Morton crap, all of which I theorize gave certain people in the media the notion that they are entitled to juicy stories from the royals.
The walk abouts with the kids stopped after Harry was norn so its anyone's guess if it was Charles or Diana who invited them in. And for the record I don't think William and Kate should expose George and Charlotte anymore than they have. People have to realize they aren't entitled to access to these children and any images that they release are more than enough.
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Old 05-30-2016, 07:10 PM
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I follow some 'fan' accounts on Twitter dedicated to Diana and one account in particular tweets a lot of 'on this day' type a things, old newspaper clippings and headlines.

What struck me is just how much attention was actually focused on her fashions and social life.

A lot of us have been conditioned to believe it was all about Diana's charities and good works but more often than not, the headline was about her new outfit or what social event she would be attending.

This was before the internet and social media so she was spared in a certain sense but it's still eye opening to look back at old newspapers and read headlines from the Diana days.

That celebrity aspect she brought to the monarchy, is one of her biggest legacies (good or bad)
I can't begin to imagine how strong the media coverage would be been if the internet had the function in her day as it does now.
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Old 06-30-2016, 03:16 PM
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She was a dear person and it's still hard to believe she's no longer with us. It's amazing that ,those who's old enough to remember her, continue to carry on her legacy through charity and just helping others. Her memory and name has not died and it continuously highlighted by her children.
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Old 06-30-2016, 04:11 PM
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I've said it before...her boys are her legacy. She would be tremendously proud of them.


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Old 06-30-2016, 04:29 PM
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I've said it before...her boys are her legacy. She would be tremendously proud of them.


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Yes, I'm sure she's smiling down on them. Her and Charles brought up very good kids. They could've been very spoiled and rude Prince's, but they turned out very well. Now the legacy will pass down to her grandchildren. I would've loved to see her with those adorable kids.
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I've moved posts discussing Diana's Panorama interview, to the Panorama Interview: November 20, 1995 thread.
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Saying a prayer for the late Diana, Princess of Wales as today would've been her 55th Birthday.
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Old 07-22-2016, 04:11 PM
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I completely agree with you. My tone about those who write these books obviously didn't come through in my post.

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And It is no justification. They all know when they work for the RF that they are not supposed to talk about the people they wrork for. and they certainly are not supposed to write books oar articles about them. Whether they sign a legal agreement or not, there is an honour bound thing that they are not supposed to reveal the secrets of their bosses' lives.
James Hewitt said that he was writing HIS books to tell about his lvoe affair with Diana, and that she wanted him to do it.. Nonsense. He did ti for money and attention. Same with these other people like Wharfe or Berry..
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Old 07-22-2016, 05:00 PM
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Thanks Mermiad. I really dont approve.. it is not so much even saying as Hewitt did that he was Di's lover, but his writing a book, giving a load of stuff about it, repeating other conversations that he had with her, sayng for example that shed told him that Manakee was her lover...

I suppose the problem is that we do read or hear about some of these books, like it or not.. And it colours what one thinks of Di or C or the RF. I dont approve of Berry's writing it...but it does give a picture of Highgrove life that ties in with what has come across from other people including C and DI themselves.. that their marriage was unhappy, that they were rowing, and that boht of them were difficult to work for at times
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Old 07-24-2016, 02:03 AM
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Nothingwas not thick, poorly educated perhaps but a university degree is not a measure of a superior intellect, merely a superior education.
Do you really think she was clever? I don't, I'm afraid. Of course there are young people of 20 who are at Uni, who love intellectual discussions and learning..but she wasn't one of them. She wasn't of the class that generally went to Uni, in the 70s, but if she had been upper middle, I don't think she would have gone.. She wasn't into learning, she had not done well at school and I don't think she would have enjoyed years of studying and discussing philosophy over cups of cocoa late at night.
I think that she DID admire Charles for being "clever" and deep thinking, as she put it, and at first I'd say she looked awed and listened when he talked ot her about these sorts of things, and that gave him the idea that she was receptive and interested in such issues and would enjoy listening to him and reading with him and learning about his "deep" interests. And possibly she half believed that too, that she'd learn from him...
But I feel that when she was married to him, she was somewhat scared that he was expecting her to participate in discussions and heavy reading, and she also found it boring. I think she feared that he and his friends and courtiers would laugh at her if she revealed how little she knew..so she would ntot even try..
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