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Old 05-11-2016, 05:49 PM
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I always remember reading about the Queen going into a leper colony at a time when that was still highly contagious and shaking hands, yes with gloves on, but still she did that. That did a lot to remove the stigma around lepers and that was before Diana was born. That has been the way of royals - go to the contagious and show that things can be better.

As for Diana - her biggest legacy is William and Harry and their determination to finish what she set out to do (Harry's recent words say exactly that - unfinished business) but what is that business - modernising the BRF or destroying it????
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I always remember reading about the Queen going into a leper colony at a time when that was still highly contagious and shaking hands, yes with gloves on, but still she did that. That did a lot to remove the stigma around lepers and that was before Diana was born. That has been the way of royals - go to the contagious and show that things can be better.

As for Diana - her biggest legacy is William and Harry and their determination to finish what she set out to do (Harry's recent words say exactly that - unfinished business) but what is that business - modernising the BRF or destroying it????

If the Queen wore gloves it's a totally different thing I think most people can see that. And as for Harry comments of course the BRF has to move with the times and it always has think back to the first christmas message being aired.


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Old 05-11-2016, 07:06 PM
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Please note that off topic and inflammatory posts (as well as the subsequent responses) have been deleted.

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Old 05-11-2016, 08:14 PM
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If the Queen wore gloves it's a totally different thing I think most people can see that. And as for Harry comments of course the BRF has to move with the times and it always has think back to the first christmas message being aired.


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You are missing the point about the gloves.

In the 1950s going near lepers was seen as a big deal - let alone touching them at all, even with gloves.

That was a huge deal then and the Queen did it - she touched lepers, she was in their community.

A lot of the information about leprosy as a disease was still to be learnt when she did that.

The point is that she went there, she touched lepers and made a stigma go away in the process (if the Queen of Britain can touch lepers - a disease that has been around since biblical times - then maybe these people shouldn't be social outcasts).
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Old 05-11-2016, 10:21 PM
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I certainly don't think that Diana's intention was to destroy the British monarchy at all. She was well aware that her much-loved elder son was an heir to it. And how can finishing Diana's unfinished business destroy a monarchy of which William and Harry are a part?
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Old 05-14-2016, 10:24 AM
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I think her biggest legacy is her sons. They each in their own way continue her work and build on it.
Yesterday William visited the Passage charity, he was presented with a photo taken 23 years ago of him, Harry and his mother when they made a private visit.

Centrepoint tweeted this early today, it shows the continuity between Diana and her boys.

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Did you know: before Prince William became Patron of Centrepoint, the role was held by his mother, Princess Diana!

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Old 05-14-2016, 11:16 AM
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It's lovely to see how natural Diana was with everyone. No awkwardness, stiffness or woodenness. People really responded to her in a big way.
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Old 05-14-2016, 04:58 PM
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I certainly don't think that Diana's intention was to destroy the British monarchy at all. She was well aware that her much-loved elder son was an heir to it. And how can finishing Diana's unfinished business destroy a monarchy of which William and Harry are a part?
she may not have consciously intended to do so, but her actions DID nearly destroy the monarchy....
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Old 05-14-2016, 05:27 PM
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she may not have consciously intended to do so, but her actions DID nearly destroy the monarchy....
I agree. It was most likely never her intention, but the best intentions can cause World War III. What started as a detoriating marriage became a monarchy rocking on its foundations, even so that the Queen publicly classified it as an Annus Horribilis in her long reign.
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Old 05-14-2016, 05:33 PM
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she may not have consciously intended to do so, but her actions DID nearly destroy the monarchy....
I wouldn't go as far as to say her actions nearly destroyed the monarchy as when we really think about it, all this was played out on a stage where the private and personal lives of the people that make up the royal family were the players. We sat back and watched the show. Crown and government went on with business as usual.

With being given a keyhole to peep into their private lives, it did however, change the perspective on how the public saw the royal family. Some aspects we saw were the good, the bad, and the very ugly. On the positive side of all of this though, the public came to see that the "mysterious" and "mystical" and "untouchable" royals were actually human beings capable of having all the negative kind of things that everyday people have. In a way, it made the royal family more "real" to the people. People started to identify themselves with certain members because they had something in common with them they didn't have before. Proof is right here and seeing these threads on the BRF continuing on and on and on for a very long time.

Along with Diana's legacy living on in her two sons and their families, I think we need to include that perhaps by doing things that she did, it did change forever our perspective of the royal family.
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Old 05-14-2016, 06:38 PM
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I agree. It was most likely never her intention, but the best intentions can cause World War III. What started as a detoriating marriage became a monarchy rocking on its foundations, even so that the Queen publicly classified it as an Annus Horribilis in her long reign.
That statement by the Queen wasn't just about Charles and Diana's marriage.


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Old 05-14-2016, 06:45 PM
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That statement by the Queen wasn't just about Charles and Diana's marriage.


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Anne and Mark divorced in 1992
Charles and Diana separated in 1992
The fire at Windsor Castle happened in 1992

There might be more but it doesn't come to mind at this point.
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Old 05-14-2016, 07:28 PM
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Anne and Mark divorced in 1992
Charles and Diana separated in 1992
The fire at Windsor Castle happened in 1992

There might be more but it doesn't come to mind at this point.
Fergie and Andrew separated in March.

Fergie's toe pictures and the Diana tell-all book came out.

Queen had to start paying income tax.

The last African commonwealth declared independence.
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Anne and Mark divorced in 1992
Charles and Diana separated in 1992
The fire at Windsor Castle happened in 1992

There might be more but it doesn't come to mind at this point.
Andrew and Sarah separated.
The Morton book
Charles and Diana's disastrous Korean tour
Diana at the Taj Mahal alone.
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Old 05-14-2016, 08:35 PM
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Thanks folks. I knew there was stuff I was forgetting about. '92 was a bad year all around for the Queen and she named it aptly. It wasn't only Diana but a conglomeration of a whole lot of things. With Diana at the forefront and dishing out "tell all" scoops of her marriage, she was perhaps the most memorable and with this, brought in a new era of the public wanting to know and see every aspect of a royal's life. That was before social media too.
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Old 05-15-2016, 02:30 AM
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I agree. It was most likely never her intention, but the best intentions can cause World War III. What started as a detoriating marriage became a monarchy rocking on its foundations, even so that the Queen publicly classified it as an Annus Horribilis in her long reign.
I think that Di was a bit disingenuous at times... either that or she really could be very foolish. She would do things and say "but I never intended such and such to happen" from that..Like the Bashir interview. Did she realy not think that that would infuriate the queen?
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Old 05-15-2016, 02:36 AM
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I think that Di was a bit disingenuous at times... either that or she really could be very foolish. She would do things and say "but I never intended such and such to happen" from that..Like the Bashir interview. Did she realy not think that that would infuriate the queen?
The keyword is "think". Although, to Diana, at the time the course of actions that she took seemed to be a good idea at the time, when in battle, one is more apt to strike out rashly and without clearly weighing the implications it might have on other people, the future, or even her own self.

People do odd things when they're hurting.
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I think that it was her rather self regarding nature.. I mean she coudl be very selfish.. but also I think she always tended to live in a little bubble and only see what she wanted to see. So she lashed out because she was hurt and angry with the RF and her husband, and didn't really see perhaps that attacking her in laws was one thing but in attacking the RF, she was (a) going to make them very angry and they would retaliate..and (b) that by damaging the RF's reputation she might well cause the end of the monarchy which was of course the future of her sons. As many have said, she thought in the short term and didn't see the long term consequneces of her behaviour.
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Old 05-15-2016, 05:13 AM
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I think that Di was a bit disingenuous at times... either that or she really could be very foolish. She would do things and say "but I never intended such and such to happen" from that..Like the Bashir interview. Did she realy not think that that would infuriate the queen?
I think any family that had their dirty laundry aired in public would be the same. Whether it's being embarrassed in front of the country, social set, neighbours, friends or even family, nobody likes it and Diana may as well have pulled the pin and yelled grenade.

As to her long-term ideas, she wanted the boys to go to Public Schools and she achieved her aim which was admirable, but she forgot that once they were in public school they were beyond her or the Palaces' ability to protect them from scandal and kids that would taunt them.

William had only been at Eton for a few months or so before she heaped humiliation on him via the Panorama Interview. She obviously thought that William should know before it aired so she arranged to visit and tell him, to rub salt in the wound she was even photographed telling him in the garden, yet she totally failed to understand the effect she was going to on his and Harry's lives.

The immediate humiliation, the long-term embarrassment because boys will be boys, especially at boarding school. HM calling time on the 'Separation' and pushing for divorce proceedings, and the increase of paparazzi once the divorce was announced. I truly believe none of these possible consequences occurred to Diana.
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