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Old 05-09-2016, 03:00 PM
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I am sorry but visiting people in the hospital is not going to make her go down in the history books. yes, she was an amazing person, and a breath of fresh air in the BRF, but nothing that is going to be for the history books, besides being the mother of a future king. And maybe her more infamous moments. People love royal scandals, look how popular Henry VIII and his wives still are.
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Old 05-09-2016, 03:21 PM
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I think that the War of the Waleses will be in the history books: "Her True Story", the Dimbleby documentary and book, and the Panorama interview. I don't agree with a statue for Diana. There are many other memorials to her which involve living, breathing people.
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Old 05-09-2016, 03:33 PM
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To be honest, I believe that the UK is at the stage where if anyone is going to be memorialized in any shape or form, it will be HM, Queen Elizabeth II. Her legacy is much more far reaching and encompasses a much longer period of time and already is starting to be encapsulated as the second Elizabethan era.

I also do not see any reason for memorials to be built to honor Diana. She was what she was and her legacy is very much alive in the two boys she raised, their families and how they affect the UK as a whole. In the future also, I would imagine that when it comes down to the legacies of of Wills and Harry, their father will be given equal recognition as far as influencing them.
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Old 05-09-2016, 03:42 PM
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Yes, I agree. There is so much out there by which to remember Diana, and it will be available to future generations. Her dresses will be appearing on display in years to come in Palace exhibitions, children will play in the parks, Londoners and tourists will walk on the Walk, and cyberspace will have many archives of videos and articles. She will not be forgotten.
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Old 05-09-2016, 05:05 PM
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To be honest, I believe that the UK is at the stage where if anyone is going to be memorialized in any shape or form, it will be HM, Queen Elizabeth II. Her legacy is much more far reaching and encompasses a much longer period of time and already is starting to be encapsulated as the second Elizabethan era.

I also do not see any reason for memorials to be built to honor Diana. She was what she was and her legacy is very much alive in the two boys she raised, their families and how they affect the UK as a whole. In the future also, I would imagine that when it comes down to the legacies of of Wills and Harry, their father will be given equal recognition as far as influencing them.
I do agree with a lot of what you have said (question that the boys really will honour their father in any way - but that is just me - they don't seem to ever really mention him, unless they are doing a specific interview about him it is always their mother and not their father who is mentioned as influencing them. They never voluntarily mention him.)

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I think the implication that this is something recent might surprise Winston Churchill who used that term in 1952 - early February to be exact - just as it was starting.
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Old 05-09-2016, 05:25 PM
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None of us KNOWS with certainty what will be remembered and what will not 100 years from now. We all just have opinions.
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Old 05-09-2016, 05:37 PM
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As for I think the implication that this is something recent might surprise Winston Churchill who used that term in 1952 - early February to be exact - just as it was starting.
I know I can count on you to set the historical facts straight. I've just put a check mark by my "things to do today" list where it says learn something new.
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Old 05-09-2016, 05:38 PM
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I do agree with a lot of what you have said (question that the boys really will honour their father in any way - but that is just me - they don't seem to ever really mention him, unless they are doing a specific interview about him it is always their mother and not their father who is mentioned as influencing them. They never voluntarily mention him.)

As for I think the implication that this is something recent might surprise Winston Churchill who used that term in 1952 - early February to be exact - just as it was starting.
William and Harry do make their father proud, but they always make sure to talk about the one parent that's no longer here. They want to keep her memory alive.
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Old 05-09-2016, 06:27 PM
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William and Harry do make their father proud, but they always make sure to talk about the one parent that's no longer here. They want to keep her memory alive.
Agreed, especially as it seems some are intent on her memory slipping away, im glad they make sure its kept around.
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Old 05-09-2016, 06:52 PM
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I don't think there's one person who has had someone near and dear and beloved to them that has passed on that doesn't do certain things that will keep the memories of that loved one alive. For example, when I'm missing my mom, I put on a bit of the perfume she used to wear as it keeps her close.

Its natural that this happens in families but on a public scale, I think after a certain amount of time has passed, people move on to other things and the public memory fades. Its happened with many famous personages that have passed on. James Dean, Elvis, Monroe, and even JFK. The list goes on and on. They'll always be remembered but not on a grand scale. This also happens with unexpected events such as Pearl Harbor, 9/11, 7/7 and others. They're never quite forgotten but the shock, outpouring of grief and outrage fades with time. Its nature's way of healing.

I believe Diana falls into these categories.
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Everyone's memory slips away. Diana did some groundbreaking things. Touch an AIDS patient bare handed and being a princess, too. The queen wears gloves to touch anyone. 50 years from now, Elizabeth will be remembered as living a very long time. She has done nothing groundbreaking. Just a very nice and decent person. George III lived a very long time, if not for the Revolutionary War, who would remember him? Yes, Diana was an icon in many ways, but icons fade, too. Victoria was Elizabeth in her day. Perhaps, greater. More influence on the continent. Today, she is a statue of a short, stout lady. That's how things go.
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Old 05-09-2016, 07:59 PM
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An excellent observation Osipi. IMHO most of us realize that over time that even the most admired will become less relevant in the eyes of future generations.
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Old 05-10-2016, 04:41 PM
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yes, as time moves on, the intensity of memory fades for every famous figure, people would be utterly exhausted if the intensity of that week was maintained on a permanent basis.

I know a statue is not a unanimous opinion, but I think this picture would make a terrific one, IMO

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Old 05-10-2016, 04:48 PM
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If there was to be a statue sculpted, I think you've hit the nail on the head with the picture of Diana and the children.
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Old 05-10-2016, 06:32 PM
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Memorial statues are to mark the passing of someone of importance. Both Diana's boys are hale and hearty and it would be downright creepy having them immortalised in a memorial statue.
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Old 05-10-2016, 06:40 PM
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Ahhhh.... my eyes fail me once again. I didn't realize it was Wills and Harry with Diana in the photo. I thought they were random children. Nope... not a good idea to put Wills and Harry on a memorial. They'll make their own mark on the UK all by themselves.

Just looked at the photo again carefully and they are random children and the notations say photo was pre-marriage years. Most likely taken at the kindergarten she worked at perhaps?
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Old 05-10-2016, 06:55 PM
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Great debate as to who or what deserves to be memorialized. There can never be a full consensus, but I tend to believe that there would really be no reason to create a statue of Diana. By the way can anyone tell me the first year that she touched/interacted with AIDS patients?
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Old 05-10-2016, 07:27 PM
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She attended an opening for an AIDS clinic in 1989 (July 25).

BBC ON THIS DAY | 25 | 1989: Diana opens Landmark Aids Centre
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Old 05-10-2016, 07:28 PM
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Great debate as to who or what deserves to be memorialized. There can never be a full consensus, but I tend to believe that there would really be no reason to create a statue of Diana. By the way can anyone tell me the first year that she touched/interacted with AIDS patients?
April 1987 during AIDS awareness campaign. Packets were sent to all households. Diana touching an AIDS patient was part of the campaign and not her idea. It was suggested in January 1987.

ETA: Interesting that BBC think it was two years later in July of 1989.
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Got it. Thanks guys!
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