Diana's Royal Orders

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by duchessrachel

I just read that The Duchess of Cambridge was appointed a Dame Grand Cross in the Royal Victorian Order. I also read that Diana never received it. Is that true? If so, does anyone know why she didn't?

It is true. RVO is gifted by HM Queen Elizabeth, usually for services to the sovereign. It’s clear to me that HM didn’t think Diana was worthy of it. It took Catherine 8 years to earn it, Camilla 7 years and Sophie 11 years.

[Lilyflo]

Originally Posted by duchessrachel

I just read that The Duchess of Cambridge was appointed a Dame Grand Cross in the Royal Victorian Order. I also read that Diana never received it. Is that true? If so, does anyone know why she didn't?

The Wales marriage had irretrievably broken down after 5 years (according to Charles) & the Princess of Wales having adulterous relationships & briefing the press against the heir to the throne isn't regarded as serving the sovereign well (despite her tragic situation & people's sympathy).

[sophie25]

Originally Posted by Lilyflo

The Wales marriage had irretrievably broken down after 5 years (according to Charles) & the Princess of Wales having adulterous relationships & briefing the press against the heir to the throne isn't regarded as serving the sovereign well (despite her tragic situation & people's sympathy).

Gosh, what a one sided comment.

[An Ard Ri]

The Princess of Wales had the Royal Family Order of EII and the only other order as far as I'm aware was the Dutch Grand Cross of the Order of the Crown bestowed by queen Beatrix in 1982.

[Lilyflo]

Originally Posted by sophie25

Gosh, what a one sided comment.

It is one sided I admit - from the side of the person who'd be deciding on the criteria for earning the award. It's not my personal view as I'm much more sympathetic to Diana but if you're the sovereign giving awards for service to the sovereign, Diana fell short I'm very sad to say but I suspect that in that same circumstances, many of us would have fallen short too.

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by JR76

Daniel got the Order of the Seraphim after he and Victoria left the altar, but before they left the church. The Bernadottes can be quick when they want to.

The babies get it straight after they are christened, so very consistent practice by the Swedish king.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Somebody

The babies get it straight after they are christened, so very consistent practice by the Swedish king.

He could not give it earlier to him as the only swedish citizens who can be awarded an order like this are the memers of the Royal Family. So Daniel got it minutes after he had become an member of the Royal Family.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Somebody

The babies get it straight after they are christened, so very consistent practice by the Swedish king.

It is the same in the House of Nassau and the House of Orange-Nassau: children of the Sovereign are Knight or Dame in the Order of the Golden Lion of the House Nassau. Only difference with the Seraphim: this Order is only visible when the princes and princesses are adults. No merits needed. Just the position brings the Order.

[Ista]

Originally Posted by duchessrachel

I just read that The Duchess of Cambridge was appointed a Dame Grand Cross in the Royal Victorian Order. I also read that Diana never received it. Is that true? If so, does anyone know why she didn't?

Since it is solely given at the Queen's discretion, the very simplest answer is that the Queen didn't want to give it to her. It may have been that by the time it would ordinarily have been bestowed it was becoming obvious that there were problems in the Wales's marriage, but all of that is sheer speculation.

[Iluvbertie]

The Queen usually makes wives wait about 7 or more years before getting this award - certainly. By that point in the marriage Diana and Charles were effectively separated, even though still officially together. Hence no award for Diana. She may also have believed that as the wife of the heir to the throne Diana was too senior to get this award. She did give it to Camilla in 2012 - the most senior member of the family to get it until Philip was given it in 2017.

Don't forget she made Philip wait until 2017 and hasn't given it to either Charles or William.

[duchessrachel]

Thanks for the answers to my question. I did not have time to read through the thread at the time I posted or I would have seen it had already been answered.

[Osipi]

Regardless of the marriage being rocky by the time Diana would have (maybe) been eligible for the GCVO, one thing has stuck out about Diana with me and that when it came to working for the monarchy and the Queen, Diana really wasn't much of a team player. I do have to credit a rocky marriage partially for this because, face it, Charles and Diana were not a team in and of themselves in the first place.

There's been numerous reports that, at first, Diana was reluctant to "do the homework" needed surrounding her upcoming engagements and then, by the time she would have adapted to her role as The Princess of Wales, it had slowly developed into the "Diana show"

The GCVO is recognition for services and support of the monarch and to be real, that simply wasn't Diana's MO. It doesn't surprise me one bit that she never received it.

[Jacknch]

Please note that posts that go way beyond the topic of the thread have been deleted. If members wish to re-discuss the marriage of Charles and Diana, they may do so in the thread specifically for that topic.