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Old 01-24-2018, 06:14 PM
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Those are pretty good sources and do give a lot of information about what was going on with the "supposed" tapes.

One thing we have to remember with these tapes, should they still even exist, is that they were made solely by Diana with everything framed in the reality of Diana's thinking. I equate it with the Morton book. I wouldn't take anything that Diana alleged at that time as any kind of real truth but Diana's experiences spun according to how Diana wanted the public to see and think about her marriage. Her truth isn't necessarily a balanced view on how things really were.

Just the fact that she really went through measures to paint a public profile of the Wales' marriage a year after her divorce was finalized shows me that she never totally accepted the divorce and her part in it.
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Old 01-25-2018, 12:52 AM
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Osipi, agree with your summation.

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found the answer. I read the article about Diana's Secret Tapes March 1997. This quotation "On another tape she talks of how 'I entered into a relationship with James (Hewitt). Charles knew about it and didn't care. He said it gave him the freedom to run his own life' explains that Charles and Diana openly discussed their affairs. It turns out they had some kind of open marriage.
That Diana had breached her marriage vows to the heir to the throne was a serious matter (an actual act of treason by law, I understand). With this suggested conversation taking place Diana effectively posits that she asked Charles' permission to have an affair, to which he gave assent. This gets Diana off the hook, she cannot be culpable, cannot be prosecuted for treason under these conditions (were anyone in those days to decide to so prosecute) and she as well re-directs the attention back onto Charles, reminding people that he strayed, too, stating that he "didn't care. He said it gave him the freedom to run his own life". Pretty amazing, don't you think? Very neat. Amazing woman, this woman endlessly painted as the hapless victim of a heartless Charles, "thick as a plank" as she characterized herself. In no way does Diana come across as "thick" to me. She was one smart cookie.

I would not assume they had an open marriage. We know Charles was upset regarding the bodyguard flirtation. That's not the attitude of a man in an 'open marriage'.

But there is also a contradiction: if they openly discussed their affairs, if they had that level of free flowing conversation, what was Diana's purpose in confronting Camilla? Doesn't hang together. Diana is playing fast-and-loose with the facts. I would be inclined not to believe this facile defense unless Charles comes forward and confirms it.
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Old 01-25-2018, 04:37 AM
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Those are pretty good sources and do give a lot of information about what was going on with the "supposed" tapes.

One thing we have to remember with these tapes, should they still even exist, is that they were made solely by Diana with everything framed in the reality of Diana's thinking. I equate it with the Morton book. I wouldn't take anything that Diana alleged at that time as any kind of real truth but Diana's experiences spun according to how Diana wanted the public to see and think about her marriage. Her truth isn't necessarily a balanced view on how things really were.

Just the fact that she really went through measures to paint a public profile of the Wales' marriage a year after her divorce was finalized shows me that she never totally accepted the divorce and her part in it.
interesting thoughts.

What did she want from Charles after a whole year of divorce? She still blames Charles for everything.
these tapes lead me to the idea that she didnt learn anything from morton book, Panorama interview. Maybe she didnt regret Panarama interview?
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Old 01-27-2018, 12:25 AM
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Several posts discussing Charles and Diana's marriage have been moved to the Charles and Diana thread. Please keep this thread on the topic of Diana and James Hewitt.
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Old 02-05-2018, 08:41 PM
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And at the first opportunity hewitt "ran" in Germany. .
He was a serving officer posted to Germany.


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I think (maybe) you have romanticized Diana?
No. I can be as hard on her and as critical as anyone. I base my opinion on her well-known love of Barbara Cartland novels.
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Old 02-06-2018, 03:30 AM
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He was a serving officer posted to Germany.
He was also deployed to serve during the Gulf War. It was during this time that the affair actually ended. Diana, at the time, wanted to pull strings to keep him from being deployed but Hewitt felt he needed to go.
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Did they see each other at all when he returned from the Gulf? They exchanged letters, and Diana sent Hewitt magazines as well.
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Old 02-11-2018, 03:11 AM
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As far as I remember the affair was rekindled by his being on active service in the gulf and they saw each other for a time. However, while in the Gulf Hewitt was talking indiscreetly about his relationship with Diana and I tink journalists were beginning to realise that there was something serious going on. and this may have made Diana uneasy. She realised that she could not trust him to keep quiet. So after a time I think it was she who ended the affair. He was not likely to give it up since it was a source of ego boosting and of generous presents. Then he left the army and began to toy with the idea of selling the story, to make more money.
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Old 02-11-2018, 06:42 AM
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I wonder if his chain of command became aware of this situation and that didn't cause issues with things too.


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Old 02-11-2018, 07:58 AM
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I wonder if his chain of command became aware of this situation and that didn't cause issues with things too.


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Old 02-11-2018, 12:57 PM
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Well he was technically committing treason since he was sleeping with the PoW's wife, regardless of their arrangement.

I would imagine that at least some of the officer ranks above him didn't approve.


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Old 02-12-2018, 07:31 PM
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Plus I think that they particularly wouldn't approve of Hewitt talking about it.
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Old 02-12-2018, 07:40 PM
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Absolutely...discretion. He went so far beyond the pale. I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't actively trying to kick him out.


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Old 02-12-2018, 08:15 PM
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One thing that probably did raise a lot of eyebrows was that Hewitt would get quite a few letters from Diana and although I'm not exactly sure, I believe all correspondence is checked and redacted (if needed) in a war zone.

I'm still awaiting Hewitt's book "Love and War" and believe that will tell me more of how things went down in the Gulf. Hewitt served from 1991-1994 and then ended his Army career. So did his affair with Diana end.

Here is a brief excerpt from "Love and War" written by Hewitt himself.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/1999/oct/29/2
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Hewitt retired I think from the army because he persstently failed to get promotion, due to failing exams.. and he was getting older.. It had nothing to do with Diana, though he was getting indiscreet about their relationship, and hinting to journlists while in the Gulf that he had a speicail friendship with Diana.
I don't think he actively tried to make money out of it, until he had left the army and was on a pension.
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Do you think it was wise for Princess Diana to buy clothes for James Hewitt? Did Diana say she had dressed James from head to toe?
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Old 04-07-2018, 09:29 PM
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Doing stuff like buying clothes and giving gifts was something that Diana did for those she was close to and not only Hewitt. Its kind of like her habit of always sitting down and dashing off thank you notes to people as soon as she possibly could. It was her nature. One of Diana's endearing qualities was that she let other people know when they were appreciated.

I do know that Diana gifted James Hewitt with gold cufflinks that used to belong to her father. That added a lot of sentimental value to the gift.
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Doing stuff like buying clothes and giving gifts was something that Diana did for those she was close to and not only Hewitt. Its kind of like her habit of always sitting down and dashing off thank you notes to people as soon as she possibly could. It was her nature. One of Diana's endearing qualities was that she let other people know when they were appreciated.

I do know that Diana gifted James Hewitt with gold cufflinks that used to belong to her father. That added a lot of sentimental value to the gift.
And is an indication of how seriously close the two were. Hewitt was for sure a significant relationship for Diana (never mind that she was not loyal, cheated on him and gossiped about him: that was just her nature with her men as well).
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Doing stuff like buying clothes and giving gifts was something that Diana did for those she was close to and not only Hewitt. Its kind of like her habit of always sitting down and dashing off thank you notes to people as soon as she possibly could. It was her nature. One of Diana's endearing qualities was that she let other people know when they were appreciated.

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It was probably foolish of her to do this but I agree that it was part of her nature.. that she tried to show people she loved, that she loved them.. by buying presents, by offering help when needed..and writing letters...
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Do you believe that as Diana was buying clothes for James, she was seeing James in the way she had tried to buy clothes for Prince Charles?
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