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Old 06-21-2011, 10:27 AM
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The new Countess is certainly beautiful. Wishing them both a long and happy marriage.
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Old 06-21-2011, 11:01 AM
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William and Kate did not attend the wedding due to his work commitments at the Royal Air Force Valley in Anglesey. Prince Harry also missed the service due to "a long-standing private engagement".
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Perhaps the Wales boys took the view that they if they could not attend the wedding, they could always attend the next wedding of Charles Spencer!
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Old 06-21-2011, 08:24 PM
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The new Countess is certainly beautiful. Wishing them both a long and happy marriage.
Yes, she is very beautiful and I wish them happiness, too. I'm hoping it's true that the third time's the charm.
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Old 06-21-2011, 08:33 PM
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Yes, she is very beautiful and I wish them happiness, too. I'm hoping it's true that the third time's the charm.
I admit that she actually is the nicest of all his wives,I hope she will learn to be smart enough with such a man as Spencer,in order that her joy wouldn't be premature,as her self-proud aspect at William's wedding seemed silly and I hope that she would have patience.And earl Spencer should learn to appreciate the woman who is his wife and not to repeat previous falling marriages.But I think he's grown up for more maturity and stability in relations.I still think his previous fiancee from Elliot family made a good choice by breaking their engagement.
Anyway good luck for them,maybe they'll for a child at least.
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Old 06-21-2011, 10:59 PM
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I find it difficult to believe the DM is correct in stating that Princes William and Harry have not spoken to Earl Spencer for almost fourteen years. (But then again, I find much of what the DM prints non-credible.) Would they visit their Mother's grave and ignore their uncle? Possible, but not probable, IMHO.
For heaven's sake , William and Harry, spoke to their uncle just a short time ago, at William's wedding.
I read in Majesty today that after their wedding William and Kate visted Althorp, and the Earl, as well as Diana's grave.
W& H saw him at the opening of the Diana Fountain, as well as the Diana 10 year memorial service. What planet is the DM on?

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If it helps Zonk, I am with you.
He does not look very happy.
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Old 06-22-2011, 06:33 AM
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For heaven's sake , William and Harry, spoke to their uncle just a short time ago, at William's wedding.
I read in Majesty today that after their wedding William and Kate visted Althorp, and the Earl, as well as Diana's grave.
W& H saw him at the opening of the Diana Fountain, as well as the Diana 10 year memorial service. What planet is the DM on?


I doubt the princes see much of their uncle, though.
And it's telling that neither one attended his wedding. (with rather lame excuses, at that!)
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Old 06-25-2011, 04:02 PM
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During the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge's wedding, after the Princes arrived at the Abbey...they greeted a few guests and went to the pews where the Spencers were sitted. Prince William talked to his aunt, Lady Sarah and Prince Harry to his uncle, the Earl Spencer before they headed out to the wing where they awaited out of sight the start of the wedding. It was very moving to me as I thought of their mother at that moment.
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Old 07-17-2011, 10:27 AM
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'It was very moving to me as I thought of their mother at that moment.' - And how ironic unfortunately! None of them treated Diana as they should have, as a sister in other words, when she was alive. It was touching somehow and odd at the same time, at least to me.
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Old 07-18-2011, 11:39 AM
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That does make sense. I just couldn't imagine why the Earl made such a big fuss about getting the tiara back from Diana and yet his new bride did not wear it. We'll have to wait for a formal occasion before the new Countess Spencer gets to show it off.
Earl Spencer made a fuss about getting the tiara back from Diana because he was in the middle of an argument with her. He had agreed to lease her a house inside the park at Althorp and then reneged. When Diana would not communicate with him, he demanded the return of the tiara, although Diana was the only Spencer with reason to wear it often and she always knew it didn't "belong" to her. It was pure spite on the Earl's part. I find it disgusting how he "welcomed" his sister's body into Althorp and now charges people money to view the island and a museum about her when he wouldn't allow her to live there "because of the press and people intrusion". Guess he can take the intrusion now that it makes him money. His whole speech at Westminster Abbey said a lot of things correctly that needed to be said, but the Earl was the WRONG person to be saying them. The Spencers treated Diana badly with the exception of her father. Shame on them for profiting from her death.
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Old 07-18-2011, 06:08 PM
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Very well stated Aliza.
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Earl Spencer made a fuss about getting the tiara back from Diana because he was in the middle of an argument with her...
Diana never had possession of the Spencer Tiara!!!! It was in a bank vault in London, when Diana wanted to wear it, it had to be sent for and signed out. It was then returned back to the bank vault, it never remained at Kensington Palace with Diana! The tiara was lent to her first by her father and then her brother, she never had possession of it.

The house Diana wanted to live in on the Althrop Estate was near the boundary fence and of easy access to photographers. Charles Spencer was concerned about the press intrusion so he said no to Diana for that particular house. He then offered her another one on the estate, but Diana had a tantrum as she couldn't get the one she wanted and so they had one of their periods of falling out!

Charles Spencer's decision to bury Diana on the island at Althrop was the best thing he could have done for his sister. It stopped the "Diana crazies" from making a mockery of her final burial place. This way it's private and controlled, William and Kate went there before they were married. Totally in private and no-one had access to them or their time there alone. Diana was a real person to her sons and siblings, not just an image in a magazine, on TV or in the newspaper, her family have the right to say who can have access to her burial place. Not total strangers! How arrogant is that!?

The whole 'making money from Diana' is a ridiculous arguement too. There is no separate charge for the Diana exhibition, it's so low key it's not even advertised on Althrop's Home page. Althrop has a very short season when it's open, stately homes in the UK are normally open from April to late October. Althrop is only open 8 weeks, July 1st to August 30th. Had Charles Spencer wanted to 'make money from Diana' he would have the house and grounds open for 6 months not 8 weeks! (He doesn't live there fulltime so it wouldn't be a privacy issue with him.) Earl Spencer is a very wealthy man, his income comes from farm rentals, commercial property rentals, forestry and cottage rentals. He has 2 other smaller estates apart from Althrop.

He does need to tour the Diana exhibition to cover the cost of the insurance he needs to pay to keep it together. That's why it does the rounds of the US. The profits from the exhibition are still fed into the Diana Memorial Fund (Diana's sister Sarah runs it) with fewer people seeing it in the UK, it tours what was 'Diana territory" the US.
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Old 07-19-2011, 05:25 PM
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Diana never had possession of the Spencer Tiara!!!! It was in a bank vault in London, when Diana wanted to wear it, it had to be sent for and signed out. It was then returned back to the bank vault, it never remained at Kensington Palace with Diana! The tiara was lent to her first by her father and then her brother, she never had possession of it.

The house Diana wanted to live in on the Althrop Estate was near the boundary fence and of easy access to photographers. Charles Spencer was concerned about the press intrusion so he said no to Diana for that particular house. He then offered her another one on the estate, but Diana had a tantrum as she couldn't get the one she wanted and so they had one of their periods of falling out!

Charles Spencer's decision to bury Diana on the island at Althrop was the best thing he could have done for his sister. It stopped the "Diana crazies" from making a mockery of her final burial place. This way it's private and controlled, William and Kate went there before they were married. Totally in private and no-one had access to them or their time there alone. Diana was a real person to her sons and siblings, not just an image in a magazine, on TV or in the newspaper, her family have the right to say who can have access to her burial place. Not total strangers! How arrogant is that!?

The whole 'making money from Diana' is a ridiculous arguement too. There is no separate charge for the Diana exhibition, it's so low key it's not even advertised on Althrop's Home page. Althrop has a very short season when it's open, stately homes in the UK are normally open from April to late October. Althrop is only open 8 weeks, July 1st to August 30th. Had Charles Spencer wanted to 'make money from Diana' he would have the house and grounds open for 6 months not 8 weeks! (He doesn't live there fulltime so it wouldn't be a privacy issue with him.) Earl Spencer is a very wealthy man, his income comes from farm rentals, commercial property rentals, forestry and cottage rentals. He has 2 other smaller estates apart from Althrop.

He does need to tour the Diana exhibition to cover the cost of the insurance he needs to pay to keep it together. That's why it does the rounds of the US. The profits from the exhibition are still fed into the Diana Memorial Fund (Diana's sister Sarah runs it) with fewer people seeing it in the UK, it tours what was 'Diana territory" the US.

Earl Spencer had promised his sister the "Garden House", formerly occupied by her sister Jane as well as the actor Peter O'Toole. He stated in a letter to her that he needed the house for an estate agent he was bringing in and offered her a house outside the park because he didn't want his family to deal with the press, etc.

Both Paul Burrell and Patrick Jephson comment on the manner of the tiara. It was kept in Diana's safe next to the Cambridge Lovers Knot tiara, which she was allowed to keep by the Windsors even after the divorce.

Not one of Diana's friends who have been interviewed believe the island is an appropriate burial place for a woman who hated being alone.

If the Earl is so wealthy, then why has he sold titles and other objects of museum quality from Althorp? I understand he is wealthy in terms of assets, but obviously not in liquidity or these sales would not be necessary.

Every Diana biography worth its salt has commented on how the Spencers, again with the exception of her father, treated her. I doubt the Princess would have made such close friends with Raine, Countess Spencer if all was as it should have been in her relations with her brother, etc.

Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I have never seen any verification of the claims of the tiara being kept in a London bank; indeed, it doesn't even make sense. Why would Earl Spencer have had to write to Patrick Jephson to demand its return if he could access it in the bank? Paul Burrell, one can question some of his information, considering how the Spencers treated him, but Patrick Jephson would have nothing to gain from inventing stories about the Princess' family.

BTW, if Diana was not allowed to keep the Spencer tiara in her possession at KP where it was secure - then why was she allowed to take it on so many overseas tours, where security would have been much more limited? The claim that this tiara was kept in the bank in London doesn't even pass the common sense test. Sorry. I will continue to hold my current opinion of Earl Spencer and I know I have good reason to do so.

One more point; the Earl has not been shy in suing for libel, yet he did not deny one word of what Paul Burrell copied of his letters to Diana in Burrell's first book. Case closed for me.
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Old 07-19-2011, 10:49 PM
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One more point; the Earl has not been shy in suing for libel, yet he did not deny one word of what Paul Burrell copied of his letters to Diana in Burrell's first book. Case closed for me.
I agree with many of your points but as an aside you can't sue for libel that YOU wrote something in a letter....libel is someone writing something bad about you that proves to have a negative effect, not someone republishing something you wrote. If PB obtained the letters illegally maybe he could sue but not for libel ......
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Earl Spencer had promised his sister the "Garden House", formerly occupied by her sister Jane as well as the actor Peter O'Toole. He stated in a letter to her that he needed the house for an estate agent he was bringing in and offered her a house outside the park because he didn't want his family to deal with the press, etc.

Both Paul Burrell and Patrick Jephson comment on the manner of the tiara. It was kept in Diana's safe next to the Cambridge Lovers Knot tiara, which she was allowed to keep by the Windsors even after the divorce.

Not one of Diana's friends who have been interviewed believe the island is an appropriate burial place for a woman who hated being alone.

If the Earl is so wealthy, then why has he sold titles and other objects of museum quality from Althorp? I understand he is wealthy in terms of assets, but obviously not in liquidity or these sales would not be necessary.

Every Diana biography worth its salt has commented on how the Spencers, again with the exception of her father, treated her. I doubt the Princess would have made such close friends with Raine, Countess Spencer if all was as it should have been in her relations with her brother, etc.

Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I have never seen any verification of the claims of the tiara being kept in a London bank; indeed, it doesn't even make sense. Why would Earl Spencer have had to write to Patrick Jephson to demand its return if he could access it in the bank? Paul Burrell, one can question some of his information, considering how the Spencers treated him, but Patrick Jephson would have nothing to gain from inventing stories about the Princess' family.

BTW, if Diana was not allowed to keep the Spencer tiara in her possession at KP where it was secure - then why was she allowed to take it on so many overseas tours, where security would have been much more limited? The claim that this tiara was kept in the bank in London doesn't even pass the common sense test. Sorry. I will continue to hold my current opinion of Earl Spencer and I know I have good reason to do so.

One more point; the Earl has not been shy in suing for libel, yet he did not deny one word of what Paul Burrell copied of his letters to Diana in Burrell's first book. Case closed for me.
The Spencer Tiara being kept in the bank vault was confirmed by the various staff who involved in having it removed from the vault and transferred to KP! It had to be signed for so there is a paper trail!
It was kept in the bank vault since it wasn't the property of Diana but of Earl Spencer (father and son). Diana continued to borrow it but didn't have possession of it.

Earl Spencer is very wealthy, in the past 2 years Althrop House has undergone a total restoration of its facade and also of its roof. The restoration cost 20 million pounds, all of it privately funded through the estate, no government money or grants were used in the restoration. (this information is public knowledge since there was a large sign at Althrop during the 2 year restoration with this written on it!!!!)

Earl Spencer sold off contents attics of the stable block which he renovated to to house the Diana exhibition. A quick glance of the auction catalogue it was possible to see that the majority of the items were household ones. Victoria brass cooking pots, pudding molds (various sizes!). The one large 'anchor' item was a painting that's the one that got the most publicity. The auction raised 10 million pounds so that funded half the cost of the restoration, the rest came out of estate funds. The Trustees of Althrop run the estate and they were the ones to organise the auction. Earl Spencer is an entrepreneur so he had the line of Althrop reproduction furniture for the US market, he's written historical books. This contributes to his private income, but his income is considerable, farm rents, cottage rents, commercial properties (Spencer House in London is still owned by him but on a 99 year lease) forests (which are farmed) all bring in cash, he's not just asset rich but also has a considerable income. His wealth has been valued at 100 million pounds, some of that is assets.

When has the current Earl Spencer ever sued for libel? Earl Spencer never denied that he wrote the 'angry' letters to Diana but he also pointed out that Burrell didn't bother to copy out the many 'loving' letters he and Diana exchanged. Families fall out with one another, the Spencers included, Diana went to South Africa and stayed with her brother in April 1997. So they were hardly on bad terms, she went and stayed with her sister Sarah on her Norfolk Estate between holiday cruises in July 1997. After Diana's divorce Sarah was also her Lady in Waiting, so they were on good terms. Sarah was also the one to go and deliver Diana's last birthday gift to Harry a week after Diana's funeral. Diana had already brought the gift and Sarah was the one to retrieve from Kensington Palace and take it down in Ludgrove where Harry was at school.

It's very easy to get a distorted view if that's the one you choose to believe. You contradict yourself over the whole 'mean brother' line, yes Charles Spencer didn't want Diana to have Garden House, but offered her another house. So why was he 'mean brother' because she couldn't have the house she wanted!? Have you ever been to Althrop? A house outside the park is still protected and away from the main road and far from the village, Charles Spencer was hardly sending Diana into some sink estate!

Since Diana admitted to pushing Raine Spencer down the stairs, the fact that Raine had forgiven her says a lot more about Raine's character than it does of Diana's!

Diana's friends who were publicly interviewed were not close family and people like Rosa Monkton and Lucia (Brazillian Ambassador's wife) their friendship with Diana only dates back to the early 1990s. The Spencer family who knew Diana all her life have the right to make the decision as to where she should be buried and they made the right decision. Her remains are protected and private from the 'crazies' and those who want to continue to use Diana even in death for their own reasons.
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she went and stayed with her sister Sarah on her Norfolk Estate between holiday cruises in July 1997.
I never heard of this visit until now, interesting. Do you remember where you read that.
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I agree with many of your points but as an aside you can't sue for libel that YOU wrote something in a letter....libel is someone writing something bad about you that proves to have a negative effect, not someone republishing something you wrote. If PB obtained the letters illegally maybe he could sue but not for libel ......

The point I was trying to make is this: Obviously what Burrell quoted the Earl as writing to Diana was indeed written by Earl Spencer or the Earl could have taken legal action. Apologies if I used the wrong legal term.

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The Spencer Tiara being kept in the bank vault was confirmed by the various staff who involved in having it removed from the vault and transferred to KP! It had to be signed for so there is a paper trail!
It was kept in the bank vault since it wasn't the property of Diana but of Earl Spencer (father and son). Diana continued to borrow it but didn't have possession of it.
Can you please provide your sources for the information you are presenting as I have provided mine? Otherwise it can only be taken as opinion. Thank you.
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Earl Spencer made a fuss about getting the tiara back from Diana because he was in the middle of an argument with her. He had agreed to lease her a house inside the park at Althorp and then reneged. When Diana would not communicate with him, he demanded the return of the tiara, although Diana was the only Spencer with reason to wear it often and she always knew it didn't "belong" to her. It was pure spite on the Earl's part. I find it disgusting how he "welcomed" his sister's body into Althorp and now charges people money to view the island and a museum about her when he wouldn't allow her to live there "because of the press and people intrusion". Guess he can take the intrusion now that it makes him money. His whole speech at Westminster Abbey said a lot of things correctly that needed to be said, but the Earl was the WRONG person to be saying them. The Spencers treated Diana badly with the exception of her father. Shame on them for profiting from her death.
The truth is, nobody would have ever heard of the Spencer tiara if it hadn't been for Diana. She made the tiara famous by wearing it at her wedding.
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And now the Spencers are eliminating the Diana Memorial Fund. More evidence of family devotion. Maybe if they hadn't wasted so much money on legal fees, (hundreds of thousands of £££ in only the first few months), they would have been able to use the money as intended when it was donated. The tickets to Althorp are fairly expensive; couldn't Earl Spencer have kept it going, considering how very wealthy you maintain he is? (I am being serious, not sarcastic.) And you still haven't explained why the Earl had to write to Patrick Jephson to have the Spencer tiara returned. He would hardly have had to do so if it had been in a bank. The Spencers did not deny anything quoted from them by Burrell; if they consider those letters normal family behaviour, even in a "tiff", no wonder the Princess complained of feeling unloved.
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