Charles and Diana - Page 139

Pranter · #**2761** 02-26-2018, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

Hewitt first made the suggestion after the Morton book - once Diana had dumped him. He, I suspect, didn't feel that it should all be on Charles when Diana started cheating in 1986 - the same year Charles returned to Camilla.

Don't forget there had been the rumours about Mannekee as early as 1983 so there were stories circling about Diana being unfaithful even earlier then that Charles was. 1992 confirmed that they were both adulterers and had been so for many years. What subsequently came out was that Diana was a serial adulterer over the years.

I meant Hewitt hinted that he was Harry's father (not about their affair)....seems like at one point he tried to play coy about it.

LaRae

O-H Anglophile · #**2762** 02-26-2018, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ish

I highly doubt the BRF suddenly saw Diana’s affair as being inappropriate in 1992 - her affair with Hewitt began in 1985. It doesn’t take 7 years for the BRF to decide that’s inappropriate.

Diana’s inappropriate behaviour in 1992 was her involvement in the Morton book. The scandal that followed is what pushed the Queen to allow a separation.

I don't think Diana was worried about the BRF finding out about her affairs but her adoring public. That's why she sold the story that she only had an affair because of Charles's relationship with Camilla.

MARG · #**2763** 02-26-2018, 08:12 PM

Meanwhile Harry was being bullied at school as a Royal Bastard courtesy of James Hewitt's "coy" innuendoes.

Denville · #**2764** 02-27-2018, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ladongas

IIRC, the Charles/Camilla affair was well known to the public in general at that time.

No, it was suspected but certinaly not known, until the various phone conversations were made public. Even then it wasn't absolutely certain...

MARG · #**2765** 02-27-2018, 05:59 AM

You are right, nobody knew anything really, until that and I have to wonder, were those secretly recorded phone calls, both Charles and Diana's, even legal or was everyone just so busy trying to get the dirt the recorders not only made a bomb for them but also got away with it?

Osipi · #**2766** 02-27-2018, 06:06 AM

From what I understand, the tapes were acquired simply because of cell phone technology at the time. It was very possible for someone to "pick up" on a cell phone conversation without actively going out trying to "bug" the phones.

Some person picked up on that call and make a tape of it. He then probably realized he was sitting on a gold mine.

Of course, as technology got better, people devised methods on how to hack into phone calls but those are a horse of a different color.

Denville · #**2767** 02-27-2018, 06:57 AM

yes as far as i know there was nothing illegal about it.. and the guy who sold the tape of Diana came on it by accident and sold it for a very low sum. Of course it was IMO morally wrong for him to do that, but it was equally foolish of Charles AND Diana to engage in these long phone conversations.. which were vulnerable to scanners.

Curryong · #**2768** 02-27-2018, 08:35 AM

In one of the newer bios of Prince Charles it discusses the Tampon conversation between Charles and his mistress, and states that there is evidence from the dating of the ambulance strike mentioned in the conversation that the time was 1989 at a time when Charles was staying with the Duke of Westminster at the Duke's home, Eaton Hall.

It discusses that telephone lines on the Duke's property may have been tampered with, which is more serious than a simple ham coming across this call by accident. Would an ordinary Briton necessarily know that the POW was staying at Eaton Hall and then go and tap into telephone wires?

CyrilVladisla · #**2769** 03-01-2018, 05:35 PM

Did Diana's grandmother Lady Ruth Fermoy warn Diana not to marry Prince Charles?

Iluvbertie · #**2770** 03-01-2018, 06:42 PM

No - she wanted the marriage. She, along with Diana's father, later apologised to Charles for not telling him about Diana's issues.

Pranter · #**2771** 03-01-2018, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla

Did Diana's grandmother Lady Ruth Fermoy warn Diana not to marry Prince Charles?

I've read conflicting reports about that...some say she tried to warn Diana off telling her she didn't think she would suit or be able to deal with how the BRF were/live.

I've never really read much supporting the idea Ruth was fully behind the marriage.

LaRae

COUNTESS · #**2772** 03-01-2018, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

Hewitt first made the suggestion after the Morton book - once Diana had dumped him. He, I suspect, didn't feel that it should all be on Charles when Diana started cheating in 1986 - the same year Charles returned to Camilla.

Don't forget there had been the rumours about Mannekee as early as 1983 so there were stories circling about Diana being unfaithful even earlier then that Charles was. 1992 confirmed that they were both adulterers and had been so for many years. What subsequently came out was that Diana was a serial adulterer over the years.

Yes, because her husband really loved another woman. And the idea that he ever gave her up seems naïve. Was it right, no. Was she foolish. Yes. He should never have married her, she should have run. He's very happy now. She is dead for many years. So, so sometimes there is no equity.

XeniaCasaraghi · #**2773** 03-01-2018, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

No - she wanted the marriage. She, along with Diana's father, later apologised to Charles for not telling him about Diana's issues.

I've heard the story that her grandmother tried to apologize to Charles but remember this is a woman who would sell anyone out so she can stay friendly with Royalty or nobility. I also never heard that her father tried to apologize to Charles.... I always assumed he supported his daughter no matter what.

Katrianna · #**2774** 03-02-2018, 12:51 AM

For many years there was the story that Lady Fermoy and QEQM worked to put Charles and Diana together with marriage in mind. One article in a magazine right after the wedding stated they were the "top conspirators" in bringing the "true love match" together. Mind you, this was the story after the engagement and marriage. Years later after the divorce and Diana's death, the story of Lady Fermoy and QEQM being the matchmakers was disputed, especially QEQM being actively involved. I always got the impression Lady Fermoy was thrilled with the prospect of her granddaughter becoming a Royal and it has never been written that Diana's father had any doubts or objection to her marrying Charles. I don't know about her mother Francis.

Denville · #**2775** 03-02-2018, 01:56 AM

Ther is no evidence that the QM and Lady F "conspirted" to make the marriage.. it was all down to Diana and Charles. As for the stories that Lady F apologised for not telling them about Diana, I suppose it is possible, since I think she was very embarrassed by the fact that her granddaughter hadn't fit in with the RF.. but I have never heard anyting convincing aobut the idea that Lord Spencer would have done such a thing. He had his faults but he was loyal to his daughter..

Queen Claude · #**2776** 03-02-2018, 04:49 AM

I am not sure how credible it is, but I recall that both Earl Spencer and Lady Fermoy apologized to the BRF about Diana. I haven't given it much thought, but when I do think about it, Diana's father died shortly before the Morton book came out, and while Diana had shown herself to be difficult and temperamental, it does seem odd (to me) that the Earl would make some kind of wholesale apology prior to his death. Now had he lived, and been compos mentis, I can see him apologizing post-Morton and Panorama.

I think between the Earl, Diana's mother Frances and her grandmother, her Father seemed the most thrilled with the match in the early years. My guess is that Diana's grandmother may have cautioned Diana when she and Charles were dating but got on board after the engagement. Her mother seemed to be the most cautious / skeptical.

My firm theory has been that the Spencers and Lady Fermoy desperately wanted a Spencer girl to marry the heir, but it was Sarah, not Diana who they pinned their hopes to.

Denville · #**2777** 03-02-2018, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Queen Claude

I am not sure how credible it is, but I recall that both Earl Spencer and Lady Fermoy apologized to the BRF about Diana. I encers and Lady Fermoy desperately wanted a Spencer girl to marry the heir, but it was Sarah, not Diana who they pinned their hopes to.

what evidence do you have that Lord S and Lady Fermoy boht apologised to the RF?

Queen Claude · #**2778** 03-02-2018, 06:42 AM

I said it is something I recall, meaning it is something I've read before. I don't remember the source which is also why I commented that I am not sure about the credibility of the claims. If I come across it, I will post it.

ETA:
Fermoy apology

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Later on, in 1993, Diana’s grandmother, Lady Fermoy, apologized to the Queen and to Prince Charles for not warning them about Diana being a “dishonest and difficult girl.”
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebr...book-marriage/

Denville · #**2779** 03-02-2018, 10:04 AM

I know the story went around about Lady F, and maybe she did "apologise"... but I can't realy belieive that Di's father would not be loyal to his daughter.. thanks for your post....

Queen Claude · #**2780** 03-02-2018, 11:28 AM

While not an apology to Charles and/or the BRF, I did come across this. By the way, Penny Junor is the source of both claims.

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Even Diana’s father said shortly before he died in 1992 that he’d been wrong not to warn Charles.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/11-jui...o-will-be-king