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Old 01-26-2018, 02:25 AM
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What was relationship between diana, charles and Michael Fawcett?
In articles Diana's Secret Tapes March 1997 it seems diana suspects charles in bi/gay relationships with Fawcett (and camilla).

What do you think? Was diana jealous of Charles and Fawcett?

<< This is what the cameraman said are on the Diana tapes.
"She describes the incident that is now at the centre of what is happening. She spoke of her concern about Charles relationship with Fawcett. She believed it played an important part in the end of her marriage.

But time and again, she came back to Fawcett. She described how she came across he and Charles whispering to each other in Palace corridors (Kensington Palace). Several times, she said she didn't like the way he seemed to dominate Charles, not just in a physical way, but mentally also.

Charles is “too close” to aide Michael Fawcett. “What can one do when one’s husband is in an unhealthy relationship with his butler?”

On her loneliness: “I feel completely isolated. Charles confides more in Fawcett than he does with me.”

Of her marriage she is understood to say: "I am not loved. Charles just loves Charles and his position. I have tried to love Charles but he loves someone else." She revealed that although she and her husband lived together at that time, they had only a "father and daughter" relationship.

She attributes much of the blame to Fawcett, who was recently forced to quit his job in the royal gifts-for-sale scandel. She says she can't come between them as there will be "eruptions". And she complains that she and her husband can never talk like a normal married couple because Fawcett is always there "next to Charles".

The two men apparently spent many hours alone in Charle's appartment at Highgrove. Refering to this, Diana adds: "If Fawcett was a women I cuold see it, but what are you doing spending so much time with Fawcett and neglecting your family?"
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And in all of the above one has a clear rendering of Diana's character. Was she loyal? Was she discreet? Was she grateful? Was she truthful?

On one of these (Diana) threads I recently asked a very genuine question but it has not been answered: what memory of Diana exactly is being 'kept alive' when (for example) Diana is always mentioned by her sons? Regardless of public acts of charisma (and fashion, and includes moment of kindness, of joy, of laughter) Diana actually was the cause of a great deal of sorrow and tragedy for a significant number of people in her circle. So in 'keeping her memory alive' what exactly is being 'kept alive'? It is an honest question.
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Old 01-26-2018, 03:20 AM
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I've moved a few posts over to the http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...eft-17784.html thread
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Old 01-26-2018, 11:46 AM
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I definitely think that Diana smeared Charles and Camilla to save herself and because she, perhaps irrationally felt scorned. Things got exponentially messier when Diana cooperated with the Morton book which I think was motivated by her trying to control the narrative when she sensed, correctly IMO that it was only a matter of time before her and Charles' extra-marital affairs would be exposed. Having said that I don't think that Charles gets a complete pass when regarding the breakdown of his marriage. I look at it as two separate issues, one is the breakdown of the marriage, and the the other is that the breakdown of the marriage was messy and acrimonious.

I don't think that it was Diana's dalliances that caused Charles to feel cold towards her, rather I think that it was her bulimia and the ravages that that disease wrecked on her personality, Diana's other personality issues, along with their fundamental incompatibility with a side of jealousy thrown in.

I think that Charles tried early in the marriage, and while Charles may be a man of integrity, and that is arguable, I do think that he had a weak character, and when it comes to relationships I don't think that he was / is willing or able to do the heavy lifting. I think that Charles' weak character also played a role in his messy relationship with Diana going back to him proposing to her in reaction to a letter from his father.

I do think that Charles benefited by having his soulmate Camilla in his life, even though they were both married, and I think that Charles definitely behaved more graciously although I don't think that he was above looking the other way while others did his dirty work.
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Old 01-27-2018, 06:19 AM
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As per the Forum policy, we do not encourage discussion of the Diana/Charles/Camilla triangle, so let please stick to discussing Charles and Diana only please.
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Old 01-31-2018, 07:03 PM
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Originally, I wanted to post in hewitt thread, but it's probably appropriate here (?)

in addition to "half-open marriage" supposition.
<< James Hewitt has claimed he did Prince Charles a favour by having an affair with Princess Diana.
He says Charles was aware of his relationship with the Princess and felt it distracted attention from his own affair with Camilla Parker Bowles.
In a misguided attempt to revamp his reputation, Hewitt allowed himself to be filmed for a Channel 4 documentary hawking Diana's love letters in America for 10 million.
In the film, to be screened a week tomorrow, he tells the cameras: "I think Charles was probably grateful someone was looking after his wife.">>


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-188708/Affair-did-Charles-favour.html
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Old 01-31-2018, 07:09 PM
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I completely agree that Charles, by this time, did not seek a close relationship with his wife. And probably saw value in someone else paying her the attention she sought. He's not a stupid man. And he has always looked after his own needs quite capably.
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Old 01-31-2018, 07:24 PM
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I'm going to agree with the idea that Charles was, in a way, relieved that Hewitt came on the scene. One of Charles' biggest problems with Diana was her demanding of his time and energies and his focus on her. With Hewitt around and in the picture, her attention was diverted elsewhere and she was occupied.

If I had to give an example, it most likely would be along the lines of a harried mother with a demanding child underfoot. To have a babysitter come in so mom can shop in peace or just read a book is a godsend. It relieves a whole lot of stress.
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Old 02-11-2018, 04:19 AM
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Of course Charles was aware of the affair and he tolerated it. Largely because he didn't care very much. But its disgusting of Hewitt the way he keeps bringing the whole thing up and tyring to make himsef out to be the good guy
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Old 02-16-2018, 04:21 PM
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Formal separation

The Prince of Wales asked for a formal separation on November 25, 1992. This was made public in a House of Commons announcement on December 9. 1992. Could Diana as The Princess of Wales have asked for a formal separation?
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Old 02-16-2018, 04:32 PM
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Yes, she could.
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Old 02-18-2018, 04:37 AM
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However I think the queen would have refused, as she was clearly very reluctant to allow the marriage to end officially. I think she only gave way because if Charles wanted out of it as well, she knew it was really all over, and that if he and Diana were engaged in newspaper wars, the damage to the monarchy done by that was going to be worse than if they had a clean break
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Old 02-24-2018, 06:54 PM
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Yes, newspaper wars, book wars, interview wars were ongoing, with headlines getting more and more sordid all the time. People tended to be on Charles' side or Diana's, and it was affecting the whole country. I'd even go for far as to say that it was affecting the Commonwealth monarchies, because they were still officially our future king and queen. It was very serious business, not just the marital battling of a couple of celebrities.
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I agree and in the midst of all the press eagerly publishing each blow by the Wales, the couple made their tour of South Korea. That was the biggest debacle and neither Charles nor Diana made any effort at being civil to one not only in front of the world's media, but worse, to their South Korean hosts. It still is embarrassing to view the videos of those two on that tour. They not only represented the Monarchy, but the Govt. of Great Britain and to a broad extent the Commonwealth, if viewed quite broadly, and they failed, but didn't seem to care.
I've read in books and articles that the tour was a last ditch effort by HM to save the Wales marriage because, indeed, she was reluctant to see it dissolve. After the humiliating behaviour by both Charles and Diana, HM finally had to take the position of "let's just end all of this now". She'd had enough and I think everyone from the Royal Family to the public had also. The only ones who wanted it to go on was the media. It sold papers and made great headline news on tv and radio.
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Old 02-25-2018, 01:40 AM
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It didn't end the marriage though. It only lead to the formal separation. Had the Queen wanted to end the marriage she would have ordered the divorce then rather than allow it to continue for another four years - the marriage had been over for years and there was no hope at that point but what was allowed to happen was the near destruction of the BRF while the farce was allowed to fester until 1996 and the final divorce.

Anyone with half a brain knew that marriage was over the moment the Morton book hit the shelves and this tour just confirmed it. Some may have thought there was a way back but no man was ever going to remain with a woman who had so publicly humiliated him as Diana had done with the Morton book (what she hoped to gain - who knows, I have heard she expected him to return but anyone who advised her of that was lying through their teeth).
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Old 02-25-2018, 04:15 AM
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I've never heard that reasoning for the book; the latest I read was that it was a pre-emptive strike to distract from her inappropriate behavior.
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Old 02-25-2018, 04:39 AM
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I've never heard that reasoning for the book; the latest I read was that it was a pre-emptive strike to distract from her inappropriate behavior.
and what inappropriate behaviour was that?
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Old 02-25-2018, 06:31 AM
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I've always understood she did the book because she thought that Charles would be forced to give up Camilla (I think she wanted to work things out at that point) and she wanted folks to know how badly she was being treated (regardless of what others might think her perception was that she was being badly treated). I do think she thought she'd done a lot for the family and they were disregarding that.



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Old 02-25-2018, 09:58 AM
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I thought that in Britain you needed to be separated for a certain length of time if you wanted to get a divorce without demonstrating that one or both parties did something wrong. Having said that, I don't think that when the separation was announced, it was a given that Charles and Diana would end up getting divorced.

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and what inappropriate behaviour was that?
Affairs.
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Old 02-25-2018, 05:07 PM
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The rows between Charles and Diana grew more and more heated. The housekeeper at Highgrove, Wendy Berry, recalled that screaming and slammed doors were the norm.
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Old 02-25-2018, 05:11 PM
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I thought that in Britain you needed to be separated for a certain length of time if you wanted to get a divorce without demonstrating that one or both parties did something wrong. Having said that, I don't think that when the separation was announced, it was a given that Charles and Diana would end up getting divorced.


Affairs.
yes you have to live apart for 2 years, for a no fault divorce. I agree that it wasn't a given.. I think the queen hoped to keep the marriage tecniclaly intact, but hoped that if C and Diana did not have to live or work together they would be less fraught and there wouldn't be the same obvious tension between them or leakages to the press.
As for affairs, Charles was having an affair, so I'm not sure why Diana's affairs are "inappropriate" and his isn't?
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