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Old 08-31-2017, 07:23 PM
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20 years later, Diana, Princess of Wales continues to be inspirational for millions of people of all races around the world.

She is missed and will always be missed.

I wonder how the other members of the British Royal Family felt when they heard the news that she died in the car crash at the hospital.

Especially Princesses Alexandra and Alice.
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Old 08-31-2017, 07:31 PM
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Yes, I agree. I was too upset to watch live but I saw photos later. It was poignant and dignified as it should have been.

In Christopher Anderson's " Diana's Boys" he wrote that the trip back across the Channel with Diana's coffin was a nightmare for all involved. Diana's sisters Lady Jane and Lady Sarah were weeping and continually crying out for "Duch, Duch, Duch!", and poor Charles was so undone he sat in the back of the plane drinking and talking on the phone to the Prime Minister for much of the voyage.

Honestly Dman, I know you said it's more about celebrating her life than grieving and I agree 100% but I find all of this incredibly painful to remember. I miss the late princess but will be glad when this week is over.
Christopher Andersen's books are a bunch of gossipy drivel, in my opinion. I tend to take a lot of what he writes with a large mound of salt.
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Old 08-31-2017, 07:41 PM
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US press coverage has been common and tragically insipid all day long IMHO.

The message:
Diana changed the world
Charles is in hiding, because, well how would you face out on this anniversary
The boys are her legacy

All of that has truth in it, but it is just so americanized I hate it.

Those of us old enough, remember the day she died. I remember how shocked and muddled I felt. I was so proud for the British public for coming out to mourn her. I did worry for Wills and Harry, because they were at such vulnerable ages, and I did not trust Charles to keep her memory alive with the boys (I should have - he has been so good with that). Even then, I understood the Queen's style enough that I understood her reaction - and even empathized with it. But I also thought she was missing the point of the modern public reaction and was so happy when she figured out that stiff upper lip was not enough any more. I did not care much for Charles at that point, and it peeved me that he walked in the cortege. I had NO IDEA the children were less than enthusiastic about that long walk. In fact, they seemed to me to be very grounded at the funeral.

Finally, I remember thinking that Diana had made bad choices. Not that I blamed her for her death. I did just wish she had made more thought-out, less risky choices on that final day. As someone who has taken, and learned from risky behavior, I'd be dishonest to not admit that.

And I also remember knowing how much I would miss her going forward. Still do.
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Old 08-31-2017, 07:47 PM
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Yes, I agree. I was too upset to watch live but I saw photos later. It was poignant and dignified as it should have been.

In Christopher Anderson's " Diana's Boys" he wrote that the trip back across the Channel with Diana's coffin was a nightmare for all involved. Diana's sisters Lady Jane and Lady Sarah were weeping and continually crying out for "Duch, Duch, Duch!", and poor Charles was so undone he sat in the back of the plane drinking and talking on the phone to the Prime Minister for much of the voyage.

Honestly Dman, I know you said it's more about celebrating her life than grieving and I agree 100% but I find all of this incredibly painful to remember. I miss the late princess but will be glad when this week is over.
Her passing was very upsetting, but I'm glad William and Harry are taking charge of these commemorations, her life and legacy. It's what I've been waiting for them to do. Even with the private re-dedication service at her grave, and the Buckingham Palace and Kensington Palace exhibitions, it let us know this is a family effort to keep her memory alive.

Let's not forget that there will be the statue unveiled later this year. I think this will be a Spencer and royal family and public event.
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Old 08-31-2017, 08:21 PM
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Her passing was very upsetting, but I'm glad William and Harry are taking charge of these commemorations, her life and legacy. It's what I've been waiting for them to do. Even with the private re-dedication service at her grave, and the Buckingham Palace and Kensington Palace exhibitions, it let us know this is a family effort to keep her memory alive.

Let's not forget that there will be the statue unveiled later this year. I think this will be a Spencer and royal family and public event.
True, all the members of the BRF should be there, including Anne, Alexandra, and Princesses Michael and Richard.
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:05 PM
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True, all the members of the BRF should be there, including Anne, Alexandra, and Princesses Michael and Richard.
There is no Princess Richard, if you mean the Duke of Gloucester's wife she is the Duchess of Gloucester. And I don't see why the entire extended royal family should have to be there.
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:13 PM
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There is no Princess Richard, if you mean the Duke of Gloucester's wife she is the Duchess of Gloucester. And I don't see why the entire extended royal family should have to be there.
They should. For 15 years, Diana was the third highest ranking woman of the nation.
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:46 PM
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We've already been through the relationships Diana had or rather didn't have with members of the extended family like the Gloucesters and Princess Alexandra on the 'Diana and relationships with other Royals' thread, where you asked questions about it, Westfield Bakery.

Everyone who responded to you there agreed that the relationships were probably cordial when they met, (which was rarely) in a 'Hello, how are you?' fashion, but that was it.

Princess Michael was closer because she was a neighbour of Diana's at KP. There was trouble about her roaming cats at one stage, I seem to remember, and she was kind later about Diana not having to curtsey to her, but at no time could the two women have been described as friends.

I don't think anyone from the BRF except the brothers and Kate will be at the statue unveiling ceremony, though possibly their cousins the York princesses and the Tindalls and Peter Phillips might be there. They will probably invite Diana's friends, and her family almost certainly, and perhaps people from her charities too, IMO.
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Old 09-01-2017, 01:36 AM
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Diana and Society:
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...agedy-princess
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Old 09-01-2017, 02:11 AM
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What an extraordinary article Dman. Thanks for posting it. Although I am, as you know, one of Diana's most ardent fans, I'm a bit ambivalent about much of it. Nevertheless, it is thought provoking.
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Old 09-01-2017, 06:06 AM
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This is perhaps one of the best articles I've read reflecting on Diana among all the multitudes of what has been written in the past couple of months.

I do not see Diana as I did 20 years ago but I'd like to think that I understand her more than I did then. No pointing fingers or casting blame or whatever but more of an acceptance of her humanity and its impact that she had globally. She was so very human that its hard to not find some areas of her life and times that resonates with our own.

Thanks for posting this article, Dman. Its a read well worth the time.
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Old 09-01-2017, 01:38 PM
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It matters less what may have been her motives for her charity work, but more how those felt who were on the receiving end of that work. I'm pleased if she got some sort of fulfillment from it -I see nothing wrong in feeling pleased that we've helped make others' lives better- and it saddens me that she felt unappreciated by the person she most needed to feel appreciated by.
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Old 09-01-2017, 02:42 PM
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she felt unappreciated by the person she most needed to feel appreciated by.
Indeed, altho' there is no evidence of any appreciation by her of her Husbands 'life work', indeed she publicly denigrated it, which the Prince NEVER did to her..
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Old 09-01-2017, 02:49 PM
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Indeed, altho' there is no evidence of any appreciation by her of her Husbands 'life work', indeed she publicly denigrated it, which the Prince NEVER did to her..
I have no memory of her doing such at the start of their marriage, Indeed, she appeared to hang onto his every word.
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Old 09-01-2017, 03:33 PM
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Indeed, altho' there is no evidence of any appreciation by her of her Husbands 'life work', indeed she publicly denigrated it, which the Prince NEVER did to her..
nonsense, she never denigrated his work.
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Old 09-01-2017, 04:10 PM
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^ Saying in her NOTORIOUS interview 'he shouldn't be King' seems a crystal clear 'write off' to me...
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Old 09-01-2017, 08:05 PM
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^^ That's not a denigration of 'his work,' involving his charities, etc. IMO, it's more a reflection of Diana's disappointment, frustration and anger at her husband in regard to their personal differences and his inability to understand and to love her. Diana and Charles were both very needy emotionally and very unsuited to each other in many ways. What a blessing it is though that together they produced such fine sons: William and Harry.

It seems to me that despite the problems and personality differences Diana and Charles experienced, they were fairly much on the same page in how much they loved their sons, and in how they chose to raise them. Remarkably, their sons appear to love and respect both of their parents, despite their parents' personal failings and marriage break-up.
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Old 09-01-2017, 10:40 PM
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Just a silly question here.........what day is today? Sept 1, 2017, isn't it time to move on from this Diana tirade that has been going on now for how many months, years and generations............honestly I really don't think there is anything left of her to talk about anymore, and YES I know we all have our own opinions here and can voice them......yet she has been pulled apart, upside down, inside out, turned every which way, buried and the reopened again, taken apart and put back together and then taken apart again.......what is left of this poor soul to talk about, drag down, build up, turn around and again and again and then doctored all over again.........and still someone finds something else to cut up and chew up and spit out again and again..........poor lady must be laughing her head off at all the silliness that goes on about her life from above. Her boys must so be wanting to breath a breath of fresh air now that the time of her passing has past and all can move on peacefully or some not........... for they live their life through her only each day......

My deepest apologizes to everyone here and to the mods for my tirade on this subject....hiding in my deep part of the earth so you can't find me...
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Old 09-01-2017, 11:07 PM
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This thread is one of 30 and they are on going all year on
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Old 09-01-2017, 11:20 PM
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Thank you for telling me that as I did not know that and it shows me that there is so little to really talk about and how sad that this is still going on with very little thought of what to say anymore, it is a repeat of repeat again and again and that is such a waste as there is more to life then one person regardless of whom she was married to or what she did........some just can't get over her passing it seems and are stuck in time way back when...moving on here...........
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