Princess Caroline and husbands part II

[Blog Real]

I think Grace would have sympathized with Stefano. I think Stefano was Princess Caroline's great love. He was the only man who managed to make Caroline happy and who gave her three beautiful children.
In fact, the Grimaldis have always suffered a lot for love. Caroline and Stéphanie are now single, after two divorces.
Fortunately, their children Andrea, Pierre and Louis seem to have found the women of their lives alongside Tatiana, Beatrice and Marie and look happy.
Charlotte took longer and went through many failed relationships, but now she seems to be fine with Dimitri.
Let's see what the future holds for Alexandra, Pauline and Camille.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Blog Real

I think Grace would have sympathized with Stefano. I think Stefano was Princess Caroline's great love.
In fact, Grimaldis rarely manage to be happy in love.

He may have been.. but it seems odd that she then turned to such an unattractive character as Ernest, largely it seems to get an HRH.
I think that Grace would have been disapproving of her children's relationships which were pretty messy in the 1980s.

[Kitty1224]

Originally Posted by Denville

Im not sure Grace would have loved Stefano, he seems to have been rather a playboy... but he did seem to care for Caroline and they were happy... I think that Grace would have been less than happy with most of her children's love lives. Albert's children, Stephanie's short lived marriages etc.

Don’t know where you got that rumor about him from, but what a mother desires is for their children to be happy and Stefano made Caroline happy and gave her 3 beautiful children.

Originally Posted by Denville

He may have been.. but it seems odd that she then turned to such an unattractive character as Ernest, largely it seems to get an HRH.
I think that Grace would have been disapproving of her children's relationships which were pretty messy in the 1980s.

Well Monaco became messy during the 80s and 90s unfortunately.

[capri]

Originally Posted by Kitty1224

Will rumor has it Grace wanted Caroline to marry Ernst so that they would be accepted by the other royal family. She even had desires for Caroline to marry Charles.

There were also rumors about Grace's desire for Albert to marry one of Spanish princesses (Elena or Cristina). Grace and Sofia of Spain were very close and since both families are catholic, there wasn't any obstacle. After Grace's death, Caroline and Gromaldi family were distant from Spanish royal family.

[Somebody]

It seems she also bonded with EA's sons; so that might also factor into her decision that she sees THEM as part of her family.

[Kitty1224]

Originally Posted by capri

There were also rumors about Grace's desire for Albert to marry one of Spanish princesses (Elena or Cristina). Grace and Sofia of Spain were very close and since both families are catholic, there wasn't any obstacle. After Grace's death, Caroline and Gromaldi family were distant from Spanish royal family.

It seems like after Grace’s death, they weren’t as close to all the royal families that Grace cultivated a relationship with. I always was in assumption that after her death, Monaco lost that American glamour and just became another European royalty.

I didn’t know Grace wanted Albert to marry a Spanish princess.

[Blog Real]

Originally Posted by Kitty1224

It seems like after Grace’s death, they weren’t as close to all the royal families that Grace cultivated a relationship with. I always was in assumption that after her death, Monaco lost that American glamour and just became another European royalty.

I didn’t know Grace wanted Albert to marry a Spanish princess.

It is true. I also think that it was in Grace's time that the Grimaldi were closer to other European royal families.
It seems that after Grace's death, the Grimaldis were unable to maintain all of these relationships with European royalty, especially with the royal families of Spain and England.

[Kitty1224]

Originally Posted by Blog Real

It is true. I also think that it was in Grace's time that the Grimaldi were closer to other European royal families.
It seems that after Grace's death, the Grimaldis were unable to maintain all of these relationships with European royalty, especially with the royal families of Spain and England.

I observed the same thing. I thought she got the most respect from people than the rest of the Grimaldi's. I can see why a marriage with Ernst would be appealing to Caroline though...

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Blog Real

It is true. I also think that it was in Grace's time that the Grimaldi were closer to other European royal families.
It seems that after Grace's death, the Grimaldis were unable to maintain all of these relationships with European royalty, especially with the royal families of Spain and England.

It is exactly the opppsite. The current Prince of Monaco is at almost all international royal events, while we hardly saw Prince Rainier at any international royal wedding, jubilee, investiture, whatever. Also the royal turn-out at Prince Albert's wedding was far bigger than at any wedding of any Monegasque prince before him. So the relationships with all European royal families have improved and deepened, exactly under Albert!

[Kitty1224]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

It is exactly the opppsite. The current Prince of Monaco is at almost all international royal events, while we hardly saw Prince Rainier at any international royal wedding, jubilee, investiture, whatever. Also the royal turn-out at Prince Albert's wedding was far bigger than at any wedding of any Monegasque prince before him. So the relationships with all European royal families have improved and deepened, exactly under Albert!

Oh yes that’s very true!

[Moonmaiden23]

Originally Posted by Kitty1224

It seems like after Grace’s death, they weren’t as close to all the royal families that Grace cultivated a relationship with. I always was in assumption that after her death, Monaco lost that American glamour and just became another European royalty.

I didn’t know Grace wanted Albert to marry a Spanish princess.

Monaco might be less glamorous after the Grace/Rainier era but the Principality is, if anything, even more prestigious with a seat at the UN.

And there is no major gathering of European royalty in the last 40 years since Grace's death....not even one...that has not featured a representative of the House of Grimaldi.

Finally....the idea that Caroline met Karl Lagerfeld through Ernest of Hanover is absurd. She has known him since she was a teenager.

In fact....the entire notion that this gorgeous, elegant and sophisticated woman was "ignored" on the Continent until she became HRH is beyond ridiculous. Go through archived issues of Point de Vue and Paris Match in the 70's, 80's and 90's and see if you still feel that way.

Marriage to Ernst gained Caroline nothing she didnt aready have except her beautiful 2nd daughter.

[Alexey 1904]

Kitty 1224: Apparently, royals want their family members to marry other royals. I guess he figured he got it when Caroline married 3rd time the charm, Ernst August of Hanover.

[Roderick]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

It is exactly the opppsite. The current Prince of Monaco is at almost all international royal events, while we hardly saw Prince Rainier at any international royal wedding, jubilee, investiture, whatever. Also the royal turn-out at Prince Albert's wedding was far bigger than at any wedding of any Monegasque prince before him. So the relationships with all European royal families have improved and deepened, exactly under Albert!

Well, it could be said that the marriage of Albert's parents and its success was what put Monaco much further into the international spotlight than any personal efforts of Albert himself although he appears a more gregarious and sociable prince than Rainier was. Rainier tended to avoid events and occasions unless it was deemed necessary for him to attend, whilst Albert has involved himself in a wide range of causes outside of Monaco. Different era too, of course.

[Florestane]

Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23

Monaco might be less glamorous after the Grace/Rainier era but the Principality is, if anything, even more prestigious with a seat at the UN.

And there is no major gathering of European royalty in the last 40 years since Grace's death....not even one...that has not featured a representative of the House of Grimaldi.

Finally....the idea that Caroline met Karl Lagerfeld through Ernest of Hanover is absurd. She has known him since she was a teenager.

In fact....the entire notion that this gorgeous, elegant and sophisticated woman was "ignored" on the Continent until she became HRH is beyond ridiculous. Go through archived issues of Point de Vue and Paris Match in the 70's, 80's and 90's and see if you still feel that way.

Marriage to Ernst gained Caroline nothing she didnt aready have except her beautiful 2nd daughter.

Agree totally.

[debrann]

Totally agree, I think Ernst became more well known because he married Caroline

[fandesacs2003]

I think you most of the comments mix tabloid popularity and royal life.
Yes Caroline is worldwide known since the day 1 of her life. She has been followed by paparazzi all these years, her personal life had some high dramas attiring more the press coverage and "selling " a lot among popular press. The average people knew many details about her life. Also she has been attending, firstly with her parents and then acting as first Lady of Monaco, some very high events, but not royals, celebrities oriented.
All these happened also before marrying EA and being a HRH.
Furthermore, before her 3rd marriage, she has not attended high royal events such as royal weddings, simply because mainly Prince Albert was representing Monaco, and no additional attendant was planned, to enable Caroline to be invited.
She was not present at Prince Charles and Diana wedding, as her mother represented Monaco (I think with Prince Albert, but not sure).
Furthermore she was present to both Dutch, Denmark and Spanish royal weddings, not representing Monaco, but as wife of EA and consequently close family member (EA is close their cousin). And of course she was not present to William and Katherine wedding, as she was already estranged with her husband.
To cut the story short: before and after EA, Caroline was present in almost none Royal event such as wedding, anniversaries and baptisms. The only exception I can recall is the Luxemburg wedding, but I am not even sure is she was representing Monaco in the absence of Prince Albert.

Originally Posted by debrann

Totally agree, I think Ernst became more well known because he married Caroline

[capri]

Originally Posted by fandesacs2003

I think you most of the comments mix tabloid popularity and royal life.
Yes Caroline is worldwide known since the day 1 of her life. She has been followed by paparazzi all these years, her personal life had some high dramas attiring more the press coverage and "selling " a lot among popular press. The average people knew many details about her life. Also she has been attending, firstly with her parents and then acting as first Lady of Monaco, some very high events, but royals.
All these happened also before marrying EA and being a HRH.
Furthermore, before her 3rd marriage, she has not attended high royal events such as royal weddings, simply because mainly Prince Albert was representing Monaco, and no additional attendant was planned, to enable Caroline to be invited.
She was not present at Prince Charles and Diana wedding, as her mother represented Monaco (I think with Prince Albert, but not sure).
Furthermore she was present to both Dutch, Denmark and Spanish royal weddings, not representing Monaco, but as wife of EA and consequently close family member (EA is close their cousin). And of course she was not present to William and Katherine wedding, as she was already estranged with her husband.
To cut the story short: before and after EA, Caroline was present in almost none Royal event such as wedding, anniversaries and baptisms. The only exception I can recall is the Luxemburg wedding, but I am not even sure is she was representing Monaco in the absence of Prince Albert.

I totally agree with you, fandesacs2003.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by fandesacs2003

I think you most of the comments mix tabloid popularity and royal life.
Yes Caroline is worldwide known since the day 1 of her life. She has been followed by paparazzi all these years, her personal life had some high dramas attiring more the press coverage and "selling " a lot among popular press. The average people knew many details about her life. Also she has been attending, firstly with her parents and then acting as first Lady of Monaco, some very high events, but not royals, celebrities oriented.
All these happened also before marrying EA and being a HRH.
Furthermore, before her 3rd marriage, she has not attended high royal events such as royal weddings, simply because mainly Prince Albert was representing Monaco, and no additional attendant was planned, to enable Caroline to be invited.
She was not present at Prince Charles and Diana wedding, as her mother represented Monaco (I think with Prince Albert, but not sure).
Furthermore she was present to both Dutch, Denmark and Spanish royal weddings, not representing Monaco, but as wife of EA and consequently close family member (EA is close their cousin). And of course she was not present to William and Katherine wedding, as she was already estranged with her husband.
To cut the story short: before and after EA, Caroline was present in almost none Royal event such as wedding, anniversaries and baptisms. The only exception I can recall is the Luxemburg wedding, but I am not even sure is she was representing Monaco in the absence of Prince Albert.

Correct. Before his public fall from grace the Prince of Hannover simply was a respected royal, welcome at all royal courts, representing a House firmly rooted in the highest echelons of the Almanach de Gotha, widely expanded into almost all royal families, from Britain to Greece, from Prussia to the Netherlands, etc.

When Princess Caroline married the Prince of Hannover, it may not have changed much in the popular media, but her status changed from one of the children of Prince Rainier into HRH The Princess of Hannover.

[fandesacs2003]

Exactly, you hit the nail. She became a blood (by marriage) parent of most of the European royal families.

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

Correct. Before his public fall from grace the Prince of Hannover simply was a respected royal, welcome at all royal courts, representing a House firmly rooted in the highest echelons of the Almanach de Gotha, widely expanded into almost all royal families, from Britain to Greece, from Prussia to the Netherlands, etc.

When Princess Caroline married the Prince of Hannover, it may not have changed much in the popular media, but her status changed from one of the children of Prince Rainier into HRH The Princess of Hannover.

[Denville]

Hardlly a parent. She had one child by Ernest..and I find it hard to beleive that he was ever all that well respected, given how dreadfully he's behaved over many years.