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Old 04-22-2020, 09:59 AM
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Very interesting interview. I do, however, wonder why so many upper class young women want to go into either arts or fashion. Is that the norm? Men go into business to earn lots of money and they go into something artistic/that's about beauty?
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Old 04-22-2020, 10:49 AM
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Very interesting interview. I do, however, wonder why so many upper class young women want to go into either arts or fashion. Is that the norm? Men go into business to earn lots of money and they go into something artistic/that's about beauty?

Perhaps you have offered the answer yourself: The girls are upper class, they don't have to earn lots of money.

The Princess: Yeah, I think like @Palomasie, she is more of a Hanover.
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I think she is very Hanover but I think there is an air of Caroline in the smile and the way she holds herself. I see it more in certain angles.

She's obviously got her mother and sister's interest in culture so I don't think wanting to work in the arts is a stretch.

Anyway, a lovely set of photos that really do her justice. I like these clothes.

Another photo not in the main shoot:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_QRiG3h...d=2an0vub0hg6i
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Old 04-22-2020, 11:12 AM
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Perhaps you have offered the answer yourself: The girls are upper class, they don't have to earn lots of money.
That part I understand but why do all of the dedicate themselves to arts and fashion instead of something more meaningful (imho). Maybe it's my Calvinistic upbringing to think that you should contribute something to the world and use the talents and resources you have been given for the greater good; and that being given 'much' brings an even greater responsibility to use it well...
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Old 04-22-2020, 11:37 AM
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I think the photo shoot showcases who she could be now that she is old enough to form her own style. To choose what she likes and not what is age approprate. I hope she does as the styling for the shoot is full of possibilities.

I'm growing out on a limb here and saying that if KL had decided humongous ball shaped dresses covered in sequins and with knee to floor fringing was on trend Caroline would have worn it.

Charlotte's style is hard to nail down because you never know of she loves what she wears or it's a piece from a couture house she's contracted to and she's just the model. Either way you would never know from her aloof manner.

As to makeup? I understand the French are into skin care, sunscreen and red lipstick!
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Old 04-22-2020, 11:45 AM
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According to the article, all clothes were selected by Maria Grazia Chiuri of Dior but Alexandra could choose between the sets that were presented to her; and expressed that she really is a fan of the designs by MGC because she incorporates 'a message', artistic inspiration from women and a subtle form of femininity.

In addition, she also says that she goes through her mother's, sister's and sister-in-law's wardrobes and sometimes asks them in advance whether she can wear a piece (at other times they find out afterwards).
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That part I understand but why do all of the dedicate themselves to arts and fashion instead of something more meaningful (imho). Maybe it's my Calvinistic upbringing to think that you should contribute something to the world and use the talents and resources you have been given for the greater good; and that being given 'much' brings an even greater responsibility to use it well...
I don't think the Arts are not meaningful - and fashion provides employment. And working in the one does not preclude doing something "useful" and giving back. All of Caroline's older children are or have been involved with charities in some way or another, I can't see that it would be different for Alexandra.

But I understand the point that a lot of these young women suddenly become "models" or "influencers" without any training or apparent expertise. She's still studying and still young, she may change her mind. Both her mother and sister have returned to their studies in recent years after appearing to drop out when younger.
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I think she is very Hanover but I think there is an air of Caroline in the smile and the way she holds herself. I see it more in certain angles.

She's obviously got her mother and sister's interest in culture so I don't think wanting to work in the arts is a stretch.

Anyway, a lovely set of photos that really do her justice. I like these clothes.

Another photo not in the main shoot:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_QRiG3h...d=2an0vub0hg6i

I think these photos give a all new perspective of that little girl we used to know… Contrary to Charlotte, who was, from the early age seen as a «fashion» little girl and young girl, Alexandra was seen like a styless little girl, and suddenly, Wham!, here she is all dressed up. Her Hannover genes are, indeed dominant, but if you look at her from a certain angle, as you very well notice, you Carolinne's features in her: the eye expression, the smile, the cheekbone and… THE NOSE!!!
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Old 04-22-2020, 02:21 PM
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I think she is very Hanover but I think there is an air of Caroline in the smile and the way she holds herself. I see it more in certain angles.

She's obviously got her mother and sister's interest in culture so I don't think wanting to work in the arts is a stretch.

Anyway, a lovely set of photos that really do her justice. I like these clothes.

Another photo not in the main shoot:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_QRiG3h...d=2an0vub0hg6i
I agree. She does seem to favor her Hannoverian side, but there is a quiet, understated elegance she possesses that both Caroline and to a smaller extent, Charlotte also have. Plus her bone structure definetly does come from her mothers side.
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Old 04-22-2020, 02:36 PM
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She has matured. Gorgeous photos.
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Upper class/noble/royal men going into business isn't necessarily helping the world or humanity much depending on your point of view. Many just work for people already in their circle.

For Alexandra and many of her female relatives and friends, it's a chance to pursue a degree or course that fits in with what everyone else is doing and meeting the right people because it's traditional now, isn't going to take forever and fits in extremely well with their lifestyle. And they have ready access to as many private galleries and fashion shows as they want. That's probably similar for the men studying business.

Millions do subjects that are in the arts or humanities. Many, many university courses are offered in subjects that do nothing to help humanity but people that study them can in turn go on to do other things that do contribute. Or do charity work or just live lives that do more quiet good than harm. Just because she had a public profile and wealthy family doesn't mean she's obligated to do something amazing.

I'd be extremely interested if a young royal (or adjacent) woman announced she was going to be a doctor or researcher but that doesn't happen very often. Whilst I have no knowledge of Alexandra's academic aptitude there are royal/aristocratic families um, not known in general for being academically inclined or particularly clever.
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Old 04-22-2020, 02:40 PM
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She looks beautiful. She's always had her mother's bone structure. She has also always seemed the most sheltered, but also the most well-adjusted and she comes off warm whereas traditionally beautiful Charlotte comes off aloof. I know it's not good to compare, so let me just say, they are all beautiful Grimaldi women.
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It would be unfair to say the she is or she is not clever, especially because she is not becoming a doctor, or a scientific searcher or a great advocate. How many people in the world become searchers or great advocates? A very few. The majority of people try to develop a skill, where they able to, in order to have a job and to afford their life needs, of course capacity, passion and sacrifice comes after.
But these girls, are raised into money, they know that they won't need in their entire life earn a single penny. So they are more attracted into fields fitting with their lifestyle, and their social cercle. Arts or fashion are beautiful and smooth fields, you can stay into without no many skills or sacrifice. But being a doctor, spend whole nights and days into a hospital and try to save lifes needs abnegation, self discipline and hard job. How a girl raised to travel the whole year, going to the charity balls and first raw in all fashion catwalks could do this? Very difficult. You have to break with your whole life, family and social circles.
But having a fashion brand or being a painter or writer, if you have the gift, yes they can.
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Old 04-22-2020, 04:52 PM
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She's loosing some of the round face as she's maturing and you can definately see her mother in her now.


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Upper class/noble/royal men going into business isn't necessarily helping the world or humanity much depending on your point of view. Many just work for people already in their circle.

For Alexandra and many of her female relatives and friends, it's a chance to pursue a degree or course that fits in with what everyone else is doing and meeting the right people because it's traditional now, isn't going to take forever and fits in extremely well with their lifestyle. And they have ready access to as many private galleries and fashion shows as they want. That's probably similar for the men studying business.

Millions do subjects that are in the arts or humanities. Many, many university courses are offered in subjects that do nothing to help humanity but people that study them can in turn go on to do other things that do contribute. Or do charity work or just live lives that do more quiet good than harm. Just because she had a public profile and wealthy family doesn't mean she's obligated to do something amazing.

I'd be extremely interested if a young royal (or adjacent) woman announced she was going to be a doctor or researcher but that doesn't happen very often. Whilst I have no knowledge of Alexandra's academic aptitude there are royal/aristocratic families um, not known in general for being academically inclined or particularly clever.
I know there are many in the world studying or wishing to go into fashion and the like (humanities in general is something different imho) - and on an individual level that's of course fine. I actually liked that Alexandra was very honest about studying Political Sciences out of interest while she hopes to have a career in something like fashion (others not from such families would not have that option and better study fashion if they want to have a chance). However, the number of people interested in this area in the upper class seems to be much higher than on average; that is what triggered my response. They do not have the burden that they need to find a 'well paying job', so could alternatively decide to do something different that doesn't necessarily pay well but would make much more of a difference in people's lives.

And yes, I agree on the men/business side. Most of those won't go into it with humanitarian reasons (although a few might); some even go into areas that seem rather unethical (making money of other people's misery for example/not contributing anything of value but just sucking money out of other people's pockets). Others might get positions of great responsibility and hopefully use them well (including making sure that those working 'under' them are treated well - in a broad sense).
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I agree that Alexandra has inherited most of her looks from the Hanoverian side of her family, but I do think there is a slight resemblance to Princess Grace in her appearance too. She has different features, largely, from the rest of her maternal family which makes her quite intriguing IMO.
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That part I understand but why do all of the dedicate themselves to arts and fashion instead of ...

I have a mansplaining theory, which might be severely biologistic and sexist too... But since this here is the Internet, the virtual try out zone... and perhaps it goes a bit OT and the moderators save me.

So: For the longest time human beings were hunters and gatherers. What means probably rather that the males were more of the hunters and the females were more the gatherers...

The abilities to hunt can easily been measured: tracking - how good; spear throwing - how far, precise; running - how fast, how enduring.

But gathering, that is more of a group thing! If one gatherer or better gatheress spots the berries, all harvest berries; same for mushrooms and so on... it is difficult to measure here.

But women have the "will to power" (Nietzsche) too! So, how can they show, that they are "valuable"? More than the others?

How are things gathered? They are put in a kind of archaic handbag. It was either decoratively selfmade, or out of materials the mighty hunter-husband brought home.

And until today many girls define themselves this way: either about the ability to decoratively improve things or

Woman A: Oh, what a fine handbag, is this crocodile?
Woman B: Yes, my loving husband brought it home. He hunted it down with his bonus cheque from Goldman Sachs!

And this is, to make a long story short, why young women prefer the decorative arts and fashion and older women luxury.

So, if the Princess Alexandra here is doing some fashion, she is trying alpha girl stuff and is showing her value-ability.

Now, please, don't stone me! It is just a theory! Please!
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Very interesting interview. I do, however, wonder why so many upper class young women want to go into either arts or fashion. Is that the norm? Men go into business to earn lots of money and they go into something artistic/that's about beauty?
Interesting observation. I as well have gotten the impression that in Europe the royal and aristocratic classes follow traditional/dated gender norms more consistently than the wider public.

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I don't think the Arts are not meaningful - and fashion provides employment. And working in the one does not preclude doing something "useful" and giving back. All of Caroline's older children are or have been involved with charities in some way or another, I can't see that it would be different for Alexandra.
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Upper class/noble/royal men going into business isn't necessarily helping the world or humanity much depending on your point of view. Many just work for people already in their circle.

For Alexandra and many of her female relatives and friends, it's a chance to pursue a degree or course that fits in with what everyone else is doing and meeting the right people because it's traditional now, isn't going to take forever and fits in extremely well with their lifestyle. And they have ready access to as many private galleries and fashion shows as they want. That's probably similar for the men studying business.

Millions do subjects that are in the arts or humanities. Many, many university courses are offered in subjects that do nothing to help humanity but people that study them can in turn go on to do other things that do contribute. Or do charity work or just live lives that do more quiet good than harm. Just because she had a public profile and wealthy family doesn't mean she's obligated to do something amazing.

I'd be extremely interested if a young royal (or adjacent) woman announced she was going to be a doctor or researcher but that doesn't happen very often. Whilst I have no knowledge of Alexandra's academic aptitude there are royal/aristocratic families um, not known in general for being academically inclined or particularly clever.
I agree, but it leaves the question of why degrees and careers in the arts and fashion appear to be less in vogue among the men in royal and aristocratic circles in comparison to the women (and in reverse regarding degrees and careers in business).
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She has quietly grown into a very beautiful young woman. She never shone as a child and young teenager as she was eclipsed by her sister and cousins who were all 'pretty' children.

But princess Alexandra has a quiet beauty and grace that seems to have snuck up on us. She doesn't mirror the latest fashions of the super rich in the society of the Riviera and Monaco and I cannot imagine her in almost any fashion her mother and sister wear. She seems to go for long elegant, uncluttered lines, simple chic hairstyles and there is an air of 'presence' and perhaps even self-assurance about her. Her style seems more Charlene than Caroline or Charlotte.
I had a feeling Alexandra would be a kind of late bloomer-if you can call 20-21:years of age"late". Compared to Caroline and Charlotte and of course Grace who all became world renowned beauties in their early teens..Alex is coming into her own a little later than they did.

Anyway, it is a kind of embarrassment of riches with the women of the Princely Family of Monaco. All of them, whether born in or married into that family , is beautiful/ pretty...not a plain Jane in the group.

Princess Alexandra fits right in.
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I have to disagree about charlotte, I just think she gets very anxious and nervous and it comes across as cold and aloof.
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