Caroline & The Casiraghi's - University Life

[PrinceS]

This article mentions that Andrea "is currently studying for a masters degree at the university of Barcelona". Does anybody know what subject this degree is in? Also, is this his second masters degree?

(I am not surprised, as I have read his mother has a sharp mind and would likely be very supportive)

[Nathalie Cox]

Maybe they copied and pasted from wikipedia?
It says that of Barcelona in his wiki article.

[Jia]

Hey, I have a quick question.
When some of you have said of someone "not having college education."
Does that include droppouts?

[burbankstorylady]

I was very intrigued to come across these pictures of Princess Caroline in 1974, at a school in Boulogne. I know that after her A levels in England, she took the French bac. This school must have been wear she studied for it?

http://www.gettyimages.com/photos/pr...opular#license

[priyanka]

https://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_mo...la-maternidad/

Carolina de Monaco's daughter resumed her philosophy studies after being the mother of two children

[Paranoia]

Originally Posted by priyanka

https://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_mo...la-maternidad/

Carolina de Monaco's daughter resumed her philosophy studies after being the mother of two children

Well, that's good news. It didn't make any sense going around writing philosophy books and articles and giving speeches without having even finished her studies.

[Moonmaiden23]

I always suspected that Charlotte had never completed her university degree even though most articles invariably describe her as a graduate of the Sorbonne. In fact when she first became linked with Dimitri, the press stated that one of the things they had in common is that both had obtained degrees from the Sorbonne.

But only Dimitri has a degree from there, not his wife.

Anyway I am glad she is completing it.

[Lady Daly]

I had read recently about Charlotte's return to the Sorbonne to complete her doctorate in philosophy but I couldn't track down the publication so I did a little further sleuthing.

Unofficial Royalty and Wikipedia
Education:
1988-1992: École maternelle, Saint-Rémy-de-Provence, France

1992-1999: École de la République, Saint-Rémy-de-Provence, France

1999-2004: Lycée François Couperin, Fontainebleau, France, received an excellent” mark on her baccalaureate exam in July 2004 (high school)

2007: University of Paris IV: Paris-Sorbonne, License of Philosophy (Baccalaureate)

In 2018, Casiraghi told Clara Le Fort of Billionaire magazine: "I continued studying philosophy while at the Sciences Po Doctoral School."[8] https://web.archive.org/web/20190729...otte-casiraghi

It sounds like she is returning to the Sorbonne to complete her doctorate.

Anyone actually know the details on her education?

As has been pointed out in this forum in 2015 she started The Philosophy Meetings of Monaco Accueil - Les Rencontres Philosophiques de Monaco

Since first reading about Charlotte's interest in philosophy I now see her in a whole new dimension.

[titiromi]

Originally Posted by Lady Daly

I had read recently about Charlotte's return to the Sorbonne to complete her doctorate in philosophy but I couldn't track down the publication so I did a little further sleuthing.

Unofficial Royalty and Wikipedia
Education:
1988-1992: École maternelle, Saint-Rémy-de-Provence, France

1992-1999: École de la République, Saint-Rémy-de-Provence, France

1999-2004: Lycée François Couperin, Fontainebleau, France, received an excellent” mark on her baccalaureate exam in July 2004 (high school)

2007: University of Paris IV: Paris-Sorbonne, License of Philosophy (Baccalaureate)

In 2018, Casiraghi told Clara Le Fort of Billionaire magazine: "I continued studying philosophy while at the Sciences Po Doctoral School."[8] https://web.archive.org/web/20190729...otte-casiraghi

It sounds like she is returning to the Sorbonne to complete her doctorate.

Anyone actually know the details on her education?

As has been pointed out in this forum in 2015 she started The Philosophy Meetings of Monaco Accueil - Les Rencontres Philosophiques de Monaco

Since first reading about Charlotte's interest in philosophy I now see her in a whole new dimension.

It can’t be true, in France, to pursue a doctorate, you have to complete first a Master degree (2 years course after a licence, I am not even sure we can learn philosophy in Science-Po. The school is known in France for all social sciences related studies (law, economy etc...) not for «*les humanités*» i.e litterature, philosophy, theology, history ...etc

She must only be a free listener.

[Lady Daly]

Thank you. What about the University of Paris IV: Paris-Sorbonne, License of Philosophy, do you think this is the equivalent of a Bachelor's degree in the US?

[titiromi]

Originally Posted by Lady Daly

Thank you. What about the University of Paris IV: Paris-Sorbonne, License of Philosophy, do you think this is the equivalent of a Bachelor's degree in the US?

First of all, Sorbonne is the university Paris I not IV (which is Sorbonne nouvelle).

I am not so sure it is equivalent, I have always heard that a bachelor’s degree in the US is completed after a 4 years course post high school degree. A licence’s degree in France is completed after 3 years studies post high school. 4 years studies in France is equivalent to a «*Maitrise*» degree (it doesn t exist officially anymore, it is now known as the first year of a Master’s degree course (it enable students to apply for a Master degree (2nd year) or to pass official national exam to work for the French state.

When it came to general university such as law, or philosophy for instance (compared to professionnal university), a licence’s degree is far for being sufficient to work, you have to complete it by a Master’’s degree (5 years after high school diploma) because a licence is not a specialised course at all, you only learn philosophy general principles without going deep to the details.

[Lady Daly]

A serious thank you titiromi. And, yes you are correct, 4 years to reach a bachelor's degree in the US with 2 additional years of post graduate to acquire a Masters degree. Law schools here also have a very different requirement beyond a bachelor degree depending upon the law degree itself. Also, thanks for the clarification regarding Sorbonne Paris I vs the Sorbonne Nouvelle.

So, I wonder where Charlotte is studying now and if she is seeking an advanced degree in philosophy? Her interest in pursuing further studies in philosophy is impressive.

[Moonmaiden23]

If memory serves, very soon after Charlotte left Francois Couperin she moved to London for much of the duration of her relationship with Alex Dellal..only returning to Paris when she took up with Gad in early 2012.

I had no idea when she had the time to complete a philosophy degree at the Sorbonne. Unless it was an online course.

[stunking]

Good for her.

[Lady Daly]

Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23

If memory serves, very soon after Charlotte left Francois Couperin she moved to London for much of the duration of her relationship with Alex Dellal..only returning to Paris when she took up with Gad in early 2012.

I had no idea when she had the time to complete a philosophy degree at the Sorbonne. Unless it was an online course.

I enjoy your subtle humor, Moonmaiden.

[Lady Daly]

Charlotte Casiraghi's Education
1) Lycée François 1er de Fontainebleau (Achieved "très bien" BAC results in July 2004)
2) Lycée Fenelon in Paris (2004-2006)
3) University of Paris-Sorbonne IV (2006-2007)

I just spent a good 2hrs sifting through this interesting/entertaining forum. The take away, Charlotte may not have completed her License in Philosophy due to President Sarkozy's 2007 university reforms resulting in the Universities Freedom and Responsibility (LRU) law.

Nevertheless, whatever degree she is after, considering I spent a good few years myself in a BSN/MSN nursing program - best wishes to Charlotte for knowing what she wants and going after it!

[Paranoia]

Originally Posted by titiromi

First of all, Sorbonne is the university Paris I not IV (which is Sorbonne nouvelle).

I'm sorry titiromi but you are mistaken. Paris-IV is Sorbonne university. Actually it is even "more" Sorbonne university than Paris-I since it is located in the old main building in Victor COussin street.
I'm pretty sure of what I am talking about since I studied Langues Modernes there.


So yes, the University of Paris-IV where Charlotte studied is a fundamental part of the old Sorbonne.




About the equivalence with the US system: It's a little bit tricky nowadays since a few year ago there was a EU law, called Bolonia plan, that changed the university systems of all european countries.



But when Charlotte was studying, this new Bolonia plan was not yet implemented in France, and Sorbonne still followed the old system and you had to study 4 years to get a "maîtrise" which was the equivalent of a bachelors degree. Charlotte studied only for 3 years (she only got a license) so she didnt' really finish her studies.




The Sciences Po confusion:as Tiriromi rightfully said you can not study philosophy at Sciences Po. But there is a reason for this mistake in Charlotte's c.v.


She actually didn't study for 3 years at Paris-Sorbonne. After finishing highschool she enroled in a special 2 years preparatory course called khagne and hypokhagne that you need to follow to prepare the exam that grants you acces to the Political Sciences school.

She finished the 2 years course and she took the Sciences Po exam, but she failed and it was then that she decided to study philosophy.
And since the hypokhagne and khagne courses can be convalidated with the 2 first years of university studies, Charlotte was able to start her philosophy studies at the 3rd year.
That was actually the only year she could possible have studied at Paris-IV because inmediately afterwards she moved to London with Alex.


I guess that what Charlotte wants is to follow doctoral philophy studies in a near future. If that's the case, it's unfortunate for her that there is a new law. Years ago she would only have needed to study one more year to get the equivalent of a bachelors degree and get access to a Phd program. Now, she will need to study 2 years in order to get the new european equivalent of a bachelors degree.
Since she doesn's strike me as the most consistent of people and she gets discouraged so easily, we will have to wait and see is she is able to do so.
Who knows, anyway. Maybe she just wants to complete her bachelor's degree.


And probably everything will be easier for her now. When she was 20 years old it was probably very hard for her to fit in a place where her name didn't mean anything and she was treated like a number by her teachers.
Now, she is older and she has all the experience and contacts she has obtained throught the Monaco Philosophy encounters. Many of the professors are probably her pals. And if some are not, I'm sure they will be more than desiring to be in the good graces of a wealthy lady who gives awards and money away to philosophers.
I will be veeeeeery surprised if her academic career is not a path of roses.

[Lady Daly]

Excellent, thank you Paranoia, this makes sense. The prep courses called khagne and hypokhagne at Lycée Fenelon in Paris (2004-2006) were in order to take the Sciences Po exam. Thats when she failed and spent a year to get her License in Philosophy at Paris Sorbonne. And, the Sarkozy education laws did not effect Charlotte at that time. As you infer, she may have a smoother time now

[azure]

Good that she had decided to continue her Bachelor's Degree. I wish her the best.