Titles and Styles of Harry, his Future Wife and Children - Page 15

branchg · #**281** 12-06-2006, 08:27 PM

She could not marry William without renouncing her right to the Swedish throne and converting to the Church of England.

Iluvbertie · #**282** 12-07-2006, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by branchg

She could not marry William without renouncing her right to the Swedish throne and converting to the Church of England.

She actually doesn't have to convert based on the examples of Prince Albert and Queen Alexandra who were both raised and confirmed Lutheran.

I can find no reference to either of them converting to Anglicanism. I have also read that there was no need for Philip to actually convert as the Greek Orthodox are also 'in communion with' the Anglican Church.

They have to be 'in communion with' the Anglican church, and according to my COE minister Lutherans are 'in communion with' the Anglican church. Lutherans can take communion in an Anglican church and vice versa (this from my own experience where I have one so with friends at times with no problems from either my own minister or the Lutheran minister).

Of course just because she doesn't have to convert doesn't mean she wouldn't convert.

Either Victoria or William would have to renouce their respective rights if they were to desire a marriage or both countries would have to agree to having a consort who is a monarch of a different country. With regard to heirs, in that case, a first born daughter followed by a son would not cause a problem as the daughter could inherit Sweden and Britain could have the son!!!

Furienna · #**283** 12-18-2006, 09:05 PM

I think, if Victoria was to marry William or any heir to any other country, she would have to give up her rights to the Swedish crown, and Carl Philip would become crown prince again.

And doesn't William already have titles?

Iluvbertie · #**284** 12-19-2006, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Furienna

I think, if Victoria was to marry William or any heir to any other country, she would have to give up her rights to the Swedish crown, and Carl Philip would become crown prince again.

And doesn't William already have titles?

William doesn't have any titles at the moment in his own right.

He is styled HRH Prince William of Wales but no actual title yet.

On marriage he will probably get a dukedom.

If his father is king before that happens he will get his father's current titles.

Frothy · #**285** 12-19-2006, 02:35 AM

In history of course, there are multiple examples of heir/esses marrying and neither surrendered their thrones cf: Francis II of France, and Mary, Queen of Scots, known through her minority as the "Reine Dauphine" and accorded additional precedence in France because she was the Queen of Scotland.

Nor would anybody marrying Prince William have to convert unless they were Catholic.

acdc1 · #**286** 03-19-2007, 05:31 PM

What would Kate's title be if she married William before the Queen died, or before he becomes the Prince of Wales?

Henri M. · #**287** 03-19-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by acdc1

What would Kate's title be if she married William before the Queen died, or before he becomes the Prince of Wales?

The usual route for the spouse of Prince William would be

present situation

His Royal Highness Prince William of Wales
Her Royal Highness Princess William of Wales

then after his father's accession

His Royal Highness The Duke of Cornwall (in Scotland: The Duke of Rothesay)
Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Cornwall (in Scotland: The Duchess of Rothesay)

then after his creation as Prince of Wales

His Royal Highness The Prince of Wales (in Scotland: The Duke of Rothesay)
Her Royal Highness The Princess of Wales (Scotland: The Duchess of Rothesay)

then after his accession

His Majesty The King
Her Majesty The Queen

Sg1fan · #**288** 03-19-2007, 05:55 PM

Someone correct me, but I believe it would be: HRH Princess William of Wales

Henri M. · #**289** 03-19-2007, 06:02 PM

The usual route for the spouse of Prince Henry (= "Harry") would be

present situation

His Royal Highness Prince Henry of Wales
Her Royal Highness Princess Henry of Wales

then after his father's accession

His Royal Highness The Prince Henry of Wales
Her Royal Highness The Princess Henry of Wales

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but when his grandmother or his father would be so kind to bestow a peerage, then Harry and his wife will be referred with that peerage.
For an example, the Dukedom of Clarence.
Then they will be known as:

His Royal Highness The Duke of Clarence
Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Clarence

Princess Robijn · #**290** 03-19-2007, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Henri M.

then after his father's accession

His Royal Highness The Prince Henry of Wales
Her Royal Highness The Princess Henry of Wales

Shouldn't it be:
His Royal Highness The Prince Henry
Her Royal Highness The Princess Henry

Henri M. · #**291** 03-19-2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Robijn

Shouldn't it be:
His Royal Highness The Prince Henry
Her Royal Highness The Princess Henry

Yep. I forgot he ceases to be 'of Wales'.

In full:

His Royal Highness The Prince Henry of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
Her Royal Highness The Princess Henry of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

Suonymona · #**292** 03-20-2007, 03:47 AM

Her Royal Highness The Princess Henry would be the title of a married Chelsy Davies? That sounds so...odd.

Her Royal Highness The Princess William is no better, but it does seem to suit Catherine---but not Kate.

Oh well, until someone drops or gets hitched, its mostly theory.

Henri M. · #**293** 03-20-2007, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Suonymona

Her Royal Highness The Princess Henry would be the title of a married Chelsy Davies? That sounds so...odd.

Indeed, 'The Princess Henry' sounds odd but when Harry will become a Peer, he (and his spouse) will be known by their peerage title.
For an example: The Duke and Duchess of Clarence.
Sounds good.
And it would fit perfectly when Clarence House could become their residence.

But we have seen more of these examples (The Empress Friedrich, Princess Andrew of Greece, Princess Michael of Kent)

Warren · #**294** 03-20-2007, 06:13 AM

Chances are that royal dukedoms will be granted by HM on the wedding days of the two Princes, so we'll probably never have the situation of 'Princess William' and 'Princess Henry', although 'Princess Harry' does have a certain zing to it.

Jo of Palatine · #**295** 03-20-2007, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Warren

Chances are that royal dukedoms will be granted by HM on the wedding days of the two Princes, so we'll probably never have the situation of 'Princess William' and 'Princess Henry', although 'Princess Harry' does have a certain zing to it.

I remeber that it was only announce shortly before the wedding of Andrew and Sarah that Andrew became Duke of York - so the militarian comrades of prince Andrew congratulated "TRH The Prince and Princess Andrew" because their greeting could not be changed on such a short notice.

RubyPrincess168 · #**296** 03-24-2007, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by branchg

Charles will inherit the Dukedom as Philip's eldest son. If he is still heir to the throne, he simply adds Duke of Edinburgh, Earl of Merinoth and Baron Greenwich to his existing titles. If he is King, the Dukedom automatically merges with the Crown and is available again to be re-created for Prince Edward.

The only way William would become Duke of Edinburgh is if both his father and grandfather died before The Queen.

I thought that when Prince Edward married Sophie and they were made Earl & Countess of Wessex it was said that Eddie would inherit Phillip's title of Duke of Edinburgh upon his death.

Suonymona · #**297** 03-24-2007, 05:47 AM

Ruby, you and branchg are both right.

If the Queen is still living when Philip dies, my understanding is that the title actually goes to Charles as the oldest male descendant but there is an "understanding" he will not actually accept it and it will be reverted to the crown Charles will assume.

If Charles is King when Philip dies (obviously after HM Elizabeth) that title goes back into the crown and Charles is free to bestow it upon his youngest brother Edward.

This latter situation has been written as gospel due to the flux around Edward's Earl title when he married. I expect it will happen that way (revertion with latter bestoation), but perhaps Edward is not concerned with more (unless perhaps there is an annual from Edinburgh like there is from the Duchy of Cornwall?) and the rest is Royal presumption.

William will get that Duke title upon his enthonement as King (when most likely both his grandfather and of course his father have died) UNLESS should Edward receive it and have a son. If Edward only sires Louise, she cannot inherit it and it will go back to the crown--where most likely William will be (on the throne).

But in the world of Royalty, there is no stone. Guess we'll have to see who does what when whom dies.

Warren · #**298** 03-24-2007, 06:55 AM

Rather than go round in circles, the question of Edward and the Edinburgh dukedom was discussed as recently as December, two pages back from post 103 on.

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Please note that we have a separate British Forums thread Questions About Titles to discuss titles that don't relate to William and Harry and wives.
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Suonymona · #**299** 04-03-2007, 02:55 AM

This is relevant, but not quite the thread...which I can't immediately locate.

"What if ?" time. IF William and Catherine marry while both HM the Queen and Prince Charles are still alive, is there a title left for William to inherit or would HM have to create a new dukedom/earldom/etc for William-in-waiting?

And would they lose those titles when Charles became King or would they be merged back into the Crown for William to be made PoW?

Warren · #**300** 04-03-2007, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Suonymona

"What if ?" time. IF William and Catherine marry while both HM the Queen and Prince Charles are still alive, is there a title left for William to inherit or would HM have to create a new dukedom/earldom/etc for William-in-waiting?

And would they lose those titles when Charles became King or would they be merged back into the Crown for William to be made PoW?

Any title William receives while both his father and grandmother remain alive will be a new creation.

Titles merge with the Crown on death or succession. When his father becomes King, William will become Duke of Cornwall as well as Duke of [for example] Cambridge, and, at a time of the new King's choosing, Prince of Wales. The titles accumulate until William in turn succeeds to the throne and they merge with the Crown (or, as with Cornwall, pass to his eldest son). So the cycle renews...