Titles and Styles of Harry, his Future Wife and Children - Page 11

windsorbrides1 · #**201** 09-24-2006, 10:27 PM

I think that Harry will become Duke of Lancaster. It's an old royal line that goes back to pre- Henry the 8th days. It's not wrapped up in any legal problems and it's just floating around without anyone holding it.

ysbel · #**202** 09-24-2006, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by windsorbrides1

I think that Harry will become Duke of Lancaster. It's an old royal line that goes back to pre- Henry the 8th days. It's not wrapped up in any legal problems and it's just floating around without anyone holding it.

Actually the Queen holds onto it and receives a nice annual income from the duchy of Lancaster so I doubt she'll part with it. Incidentally she's known as the Duke of Lancaster when conducting business in the duchy so the dukedom must have some special significance over and above the other dukedoms in the kingdom.

I don't think Harry's going to get the Duchy of Lancaster.

branchg · #**203** 09-24-2006, 10:41 PM

The Dukedom merged with the Crown and belongs to The Sovereign as a personal holding. The Duchy's income is paid to the Privy Purse and used to support The Queen and The Royal Household.

As a tradition, The Sovereign is called "HM The Queen, The Duke of Lancaster" when in the Duchy on official business. The title no longer exists because it merged with the Crown, but is a style referring to The Sovereign.

Henri M. · #**204** 09-25-2006, 02:50 AM

My guess is that Prince Harry, if he gets a Dukedom anyway, will be styled Duke of Clarence and that Clarence House will become his residence too:

HRH The Prince William, (Prince of Wales,) Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay (St. James' Palace, Highgrove)

HRH The Prince Henry, Duke of Clarence (Clarence House)

branchg · #**205** 09-25-2006, 08:33 AM

Clarence is traditionally associated with the eldest son of The Prince of Wales. William is likely to become Duke of Clarence if he marries while The Queen still reigns.

Harry would probably become Duke of Cambridge or Sussex.

Iluvbertie · #**206** 09-25-2006, 05:30 PM

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Clarence is traditionally associated with the eldest son of The Prince of Wales. William is likely to become Duke of Clarence if he marries while The Queen still reigns.

Harry would probably become Duke of Cambridge or Sussex.

There have been five holders of the title Duke of Clarence and only one has been the eldest son of the Prince of Wales so saying it is a traditional title is a bit of a stretch.

http://experts.about.com/e/d/du/Duke_of_Clarence.htm

The first creation was Lionel of Antwerp - 3rd son of the king (Edward III) - extinct due to no male heirs
The second creation was Thomas of Lancaster - 2nd son of Henry IV - extinct due to no male heirs
Next was George Plantaganet - brother of Edward IV - forfeit on his conviction for treason
Next was George III's third son - William IV - merged with the crown
Finally Albert Victor - eldest son of Prince of Wales - extinct due to no male heirs

Like the title Duke of York it has never passed to a second generation through either no male heirs, merging with the crown, or forfeiture. Interesting!!

HRH Kimetha · #**207** 09-26-2006, 01:59 AM

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There have been five holders of the title Duke of Clarence and only one has been the eldest son of the Prince of Wales so saying it is a traditional title is a bit of a stretch.

http://experts.about.com/e/d/du/Duke_of_Clarence.htm

The first creation was Lionel of Antwerp - 3rd son of the king (Edward III) - extinct due to no male heirs
The second creation was Thomas of Lancaster - 2nd son of Henry IV - extinct due to no male heirs
Next was George Plantaganet - brother of Edward IV - forfeit on his conviction for treason
Next was George III third son - William IV - merged with the crown
Finally Albert Victor - eldest son of Prince of Wales - extinct due to no male heirs

Like the title Duke of York it has never passed to a second generation through either no male heirs, merging with the crown, or forfeiture. Interesting!!

Maybe they need to chuck the dukedom. It seems to bring a lot of bad luck!

Next Star · #**208** 10-10-2006, 10:23 AM

Here's some possible titles that Prince Harry could inherit The Duke of Cumberland, The Duke Of Buckingham or The Duke Of Hereford.

wymanda · #**209** 10-10-2006, 10:52 AM

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The Duke of Cumberland

- Wouldn't be popular with the Scots who still recall "Butcher Cumberland from the Battle of Culloden

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The Duke Of Buckingham

- The most famous lost his head on Tower Hill for Treason (not a great role model!!)

Next Star · #**210** 10-10-2006, 11:01 AM

Okay those two first dukedoms were not good picks for Harry but the last dukedom is good enough Harry to hold

Frothy · #**211** 10-10-2006, 11:05 AM

I am from Sussex. It would be nice to have some Prince/sses of Sussex. I trust that tradition will be restored.

Royal Fan · #**212** 10-10-2006, 02:13 PM

Earl of Cardiff Baron Belfast and Viscount Nottingham :)

branchg · #**213** 10-10-2006, 02:20 PM

Cumberland is tied up in the Titles Deprivation Act with Prince Ernst-August von Hannover. He has the right to formally repetition the Crown under the Act for a restoration of his British peerages. So, technically, it is not available at this time.

branchg · #**214** 10-10-2006, 02:24 PM

The tradition is only royal dukedoms are created, so there are only a few available for recreation to Harry. Cambridge, Sussex, Windsor, Connaught, Clarence or a new one altogether.

Royal Fan · #**215** 10-10-2006, 11:30 PM

Viscount Windsor!!!

Elspeth · #**216** 10-11-2006, 12:40 AM

It'll have to be the Duke of Something, although there'll almost certainly be subsidiary titles too. Chances are that there won't be any Irish titles, though.

Royal Fan · #**217** 10-11-2006, 06:23 PM

Why no Irish titles Elspeth?

Elspeth · #**218** 10-11-2006, 07:03 PM

Well, with the Republic being a completely independent country and Northern Ireland still being claimed by the Republic, handing out Irish titles might be seen as provocation. It shouldn't be necessary - Prince Philip ended up with a Scottish dukedom, a Welsh earldom, and an English barony, so I assume they could do that again.

iowabelle · #**219** 10-12-2006, 07:01 PM

Why would it have to be a dukedom for Harry? If they can make Edward an earl (at least temporarily)...

Perhaps it would make sense to give Harry a lesser title, if the Firm plans to make a smaller royal family for the future (although I know this ultimately depends on William's marital situation and William's wishes).

Elspeth · #**220** 10-12-2006, 07:46 PM

Well, since William will be Prince of Wales when Charles takes the throne, a dukedom will be a lesser title.