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Old 02-19-2021, 09:37 AM
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So let me summarize, this is the "gap" (patronages) the Sussexes have left for the RF to fill:
- Captain General Royal Marines
- Canadian Ranger
- Air Commandant of RAF Honington
- Commodore-in-Chief of Small Ships and Diving
- QCT (joint patron)
- Rugby Football Union/League
- The National Theatre
- Association of Commonwealth Universities

Do I miss anything?

(They will keep their private patronage such as Sentebale and SmartWork)
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Old 02-19-2021, 09:39 AM
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Eh. No great surprises here. The statements issued by both parties certainly speak volumes about the character of each. The snarky and catty statement from Harry and Meghan certainly was bitter and resentful but completely par for the the course from them. The statement specifically mentioning the fact that conversations were held with the Duke but leaving out mention of conversation with Meghan would certainly seem to imply that relations between the RF and Meghan are extremely strained if not non-existent. After all, this is certainly not a minor issue and does impact her as well. I found it interesting that they specifically chose to point out that this was done with input from Harry only.

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I'd venture to guess that the announced interview was certainly the catalyst for the early announcement as HM would naturally want to be very certain that she's made her position clear before these two purport to in any way still be associated with RF business and then air the dirty laundry to Oprah.

As for the patronages and charities, this really is as expected and is just the official confirmation. I suspect that after the antics of the last year they're probably not overly upset and are probably looking forward to seeing which member of the RF the queen decides to give the patronages to.

I still suspect that the next year or two will be quite interesting to watch. I'd not be at all surprised to find that there's quite a lot of change and upheaval yet to come on the Harry and Meghan front.
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Old 02-19-2021, 09:44 AM
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The RF managed their patronages before the couple were given them and they will be just fine when they lose them.

They were miserable as royals being treated unfairly publicly by the press and according to them they weren't given the support they needed behind the scenes. No one deserves to be miserable so good for them that they've found happiness.

It's a win-win situation!

If it is a win-win situation, why are the Sussexes saying that they would like to continue to be involved with those patronages/organizations, even if it is in an unofficial role?


Again, as I said before, their statement suggests to me that they are not happy about losing their honorary appointments and official patronages and would gladly try to reverse that situation if possible. I would guess that is particularly true for Harry, especially regarding his military appointments.
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Old 02-19-2021, 09:45 AM
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I think in future years in the royal family when Charles is king it will be a smaller institution due to the current age of the working royals they aren't going to be around forever. And William's kids deserve the time and space as children/teenagers/young adults before coming to the working rota - THAT's when this gap left by Harry and Meghan will be felt.


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Old 02-19-2021, 09:48 AM
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I think in future years in the royal family when Charles is king it will be a smaller institution due to the current age of the working royals they aren't going to be around forever. And William's kids deserve the time and space as children/teenagers/young adults before coming to the working rota - THAT's when this gap left by Harry and Meghan will be felt.

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Agree that it may well impact on George most.. as unlike his father he may not get some years of leading a fairly normal life, going to Uni, having an ordinary job etc....
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Old 02-19-2021, 09:50 AM
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I think in future years in the royal family when Charles is king it will be a smaller institution due to the current age of the working royals they aren't going to be around forever. And William's kids deserve the time and space as children/teenagers/young adults before coming to the working rota - THAT's when this gap left by Harry and Meghan will be felt.


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I’ve felt that the current climate of the monarchy is starting to get smaller anyways despite Harry and Meghan.
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Old 02-19-2021, 09:54 AM
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I hink you'll have to go on hoping.. if they weren't Duke and Dss of Sussex would they be on Oprah? Not a chance...Would they get a deal iwth Netflix? No..
Agree that it may well impact on George most.. as unlike his father he may not get some years of leading a fairly normal life, going to Uni, having an ordinary job etc....

Well, I suppose George is definitely going to Uni as the days when future monarchs didn't do that are now long behind us. I am also pretty sure George will do some military service as that is expected from him. What might happen though is that he may have to take official royal duties at a younger age than his father, which, in a way, would make him more like Charles, who also got into that life earlier than William.

Of course, the Queen herself became Queen (of what at the time was still an Empire) when she was only 26 (?), so it is not like it is something unheard of in royal history (actually quite the opposite).
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Old 02-19-2021, 09:55 AM
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I think in future years in the royal family when Charles is king it will be a smaller institution due to the current age of the working royals they aren't going to be around forever. And William's kids deserve the time and space as children/teenagers/young adults before coming to the working rota - THAT's when this gap left by Harry and Meghan will be felt.


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I suspect that you're correct in the impact this will have on the Cambridge kids and their ability to live a more normal life for a few years. However, I also fully believe that even though Beatrice/Edo, Eugenie/Jack, and Louise/James won't be fully working members of the family, they'd be more than willing to pitch in and do a few things here and there to relieve a bit of the burden. Much like some of HM's cousins have done throughout the years. And, seeing as how some of those, especially Louise and James, are directly in that gap between William/Kate and the Cambridge kids, they might provide at least a part time buffer for a few years, especially if the duties they take on are in some way of personal interest to them.

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Old 02-19-2021, 09:55 AM
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Iíve felt that the current climate of the monarchy is starting to get smaller anyways despite Harry and Meghan.
Yes Charles is almost certainly working towards having less working royals.. but for the present, that meant that the main working royals who are still there are all the more important. If he only has 2 sons, and wants to reduce the working family to himself, his consort and his sons and their wives, then that means that a lot of work has to be divided up among 6 people.. 2 of whom are aging...
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Old 02-19-2021, 10:19 AM
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Yes Charles is almost certainly working towards having less working royals.. but for the present, that meant that the main working royals who are still there are all the more important. If he only has 2 sons, and wants to reduce the working family to himself, his consort and his sons and their wives, then that means that a lot of work has to be divided up among 6 people.. 2 of whom are aging...
I can understand where Charles is coming from - he's obviously aware the public won't tolerate supporting a large number of royals these days - but reducing it to his descendants seems a little too much. Especially with Harry and Meghan now being out of the picture.

He and Camilla are aging, as you point out, and it will be years before the Cambridge children are up to taking on full duties. That's an awful lot to put on just William and Kate alone.
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Old 02-19-2021, 10:26 AM
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Please note that posts referencing the styes and titles of the Sussexes have been deleted as off-topic.

Nothing in today's announcement mentioned their titles. If that changes, then the matter be discussed at that point.

Further, posts making speculative inferences regarding Harry and Meghan's marriage and associated "what-if" scenarios have also been removed.
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Old 02-19-2021, 10:27 AM
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I'd be surprised if the average rugby fan cared at all who their patron was. I suspect most if asked would prefer a former rugby player or England captain.

I will ask some members of my extended family who are mad rugby fans.
Mike Tindall would be perfect for the RFU, but, sadly, he's not a working royal!
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Old 02-19-2021, 10:28 AM
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I saw a statement from Smartworks that Meghan is still their patron (I’m assuming in a private capacity since this was not given to her by the Queen). What other charities and patronages will they keep in a similar private capacity?
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Old 02-19-2021, 10:35 AM
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I saw a statement from Smartworks that Meghan is still their patron (Iím assuming in a private capacity since this was not given to her by the Queen). What other charities and patronages will they keep in a similar private capacity?

For Meghan I believe that for now she'll retain Mayhew as well as Smartworks unless the charities decide to change this in the future.


For Prince Harry all of his remaining charities/patronages not mentioned in the statement ie Invictus, WellChild, and of course Sentebale.
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Old 02-19-2021, 11:00 AM
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I can understand where Charles is coming from - he's obviously aware the public won't tolerate supporting a large number of royals these days - but reducing it to his descendants seems a little too much. Especially with Harry and Meghan now being out of the picture.

He and Camilla are aging, as you point out, and it will be years before the Cambridge children are up to taking on full duties. That's an awful lot to put on just William and Kate alone.
Exactly. I think I have read the royals have over 3000 patronages.
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Old 02-19-2021, 11:19 AM
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https://twitter.com/bykatestephens/s...147102723?s=21

We are delighted to confirm that The Duchess of Sussex will remain a Patron of Smart Works.



https://twitter.com/themayhew/status...179126272?s=21

Mayhew

We're pleased to confirm that The Duchess of Sussex will remain our Patron.
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Old 02-19-2021, 11:44 AM
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Just read Harry and Meghan's statement and their little barbed reply to the mention of them not carrying out public service anymore in the BP statement. Meow!
Whilst I do not thinl the "little barbed reply" is either in good taste or achieves much, it is very much in keeping with the statements H&M have put out in the last year. Sad!
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Old 02-19-2021, 12:10 PM
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I don't get why Harry and Meghan seem to be defensive in their statement. This is what they wanted [...]
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Old 02-19-2021, 12:14 PM
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I don't get why Harry and Meghan seem to be defensive in their statement. This is what they wanted and they still have their titles.
I think ther's obviously still a lot of tension between them and the RF...and probably Meg was excluded from the talks...
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Old 02-19-2021, 12:15 PM
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I think their statement is only barbed or defensive etc etc if you choose to read it that way.

Perhaps trying to read it as a neutral is a better idea.

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