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Old 02-19-2021, 06:59 PM
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This is important to note that the Queen herself was not top 3 in line and she is Queen, so you never know. No one knows what will happen. Considering all the Royal duties overseas - he is a plane crash as said above from being king.
Do you think he would want It?
He doesn't want royal duty, he wants to be self sufficient
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Old 02-19-2021, 07:06 PM
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One things for sure our dear Queen has a voice.
She didnt need empowered.
She is maybe coming up 95, but she can sort out the youngsters.
If they thought they were going to dictate what happened next they were very much mistaken.

Our country is in crisis , her husband of over 70 years is in hospital, she obviously had enough.

Long may she reign.
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Old 02-19-2021, 07:10 PM
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I just realised that they wrote "Meghan and Harry" instead of "Harry and Meghan" in their statement, I find it odd considering he's the one who was born a royal and not her.
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Old 02-19-2021, 07:23 PM
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One things for sure our dear Queen has a voice.
She didnt need empowered.
She is maybe coming up 95, but she can sort out the youngsters.
If they thought they were going to dictate what happened next they were very much mistaken.

Our country is in crisis , her husband of over 70 years is in hospital, she obviously had enough.

Long may she reign.
She also has been "Boss" and CEO of the "Firm" for 68 years now. She knows what works and what doesn't work and what the "Firm's" aims are and how she wants the monarchy and herself to be represented. If one doesn't fall in line with the company plan, they can seek work elsewhere. Just like in any other place of business.

The Queen isn't about to use her "Firm" to pacify and accommodate the whims of "employees" that have only been with the "Firm" for a short while. That's the way a strong business operates.

It's no surprise to me whatsoever that Harry and Meghan are now "officially" gone from any connection to the "Firm" going into the future. The waiting period to "see how things go" is over, kaput, done, finis and now it's time to move on separate paths.
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Old 02-19-2021, 07:35 PM
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I don't think anyone is reading into either statement. If you aren't reading snark or shade into the Sussex statement- and certainly you are entitled not to, and to share that you don't, and no one questions that- you stand almost alone, as mainstream media the world over has been taken aback at the tone.

People are just calling a spade a spade this time, Pranter.
Very well said HighGoalHighDreams. Some people choose to read into the Sussex's statement as snarky, passive-aggressive or even self-centred, because their statements in the past did not come across well (to put it mildly). An obvious example was when they stated that the changes to Archie's birth certificate were "dictated by the Palace". People were rightfully to be sceptical, given that Meghan wants to portray as a strong independent women, yet willing to accept Palace decision to remove her first and middle names. Another one that sparked controversy was their statement after decision to leave as senior working royals, where they hope to "collaborate with the Queen". Some people took the wording as The Queen is at equal position as the Sussexes like company/brand partnership rather than The Queen as the head of the Firm (not as in family privatively/household, which is probably held by Prince Philip).

I would like to think that Harry & Meghan does not think and feel this way as the statement was put out. With the benefit of the doubt, I would like to think it's the person who puts out the statement that has been aggressive and petty. However, at the same time, Harry & Meghan does have an input on how the content of their statements are released. The questions are now Why do the Sussexes not object their PR team and their statements if they do disagree on each other? Do the Sussexes actually approve their PR team's "passive-aggressive" statements? Do the Sussexes really want to risk being perceived to be self-centred or even being in bad terms with the Royal Family when things don't go their way?
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Old 02-19-2021, 07:37 PM
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I doubt that Harry regrets the loss of many of these patronages except for the Rugby ones, at which he was an enthusiastic Patron, and the Hon military patronages. There is however another member of the Royal family who still holds no less than fifteen of these, though several of his charities dropped him.

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Old 02-19-2021, 07:40 PM
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I rarely post, but read comments every day. I have to say, I'm very sad about these developments. I read in an article today, that Harry had really been pushing talks early to finish a deal that was puzzling to the palace. Then, the information was leaked that the Oprah interview was to take place.

That one piece of information speaks volumes. Harry was trying to perhaps con his Grandmother into an agreement that was binding and that he knew she would honor despite the interview, being the kind, loving Grandmother she is.

To me, that is despicable. In my opinion, these decisions had to be made and acted upon by the Queen.

Tonight, I pray for her. Her husband Prince Phillip is in hospital. What a very tough time for her. And to have this happen on top of that development must be breaking her heart, as close as she was to Harry.

Very sad. I don't know where Harry's head is in all of this. Meghan is costing him everything. I hope the love he has for her is worth the loss. I pray there is no divorce. Where would he be then?

I know others will disagree with me. But no matter how you look at this, it is terrible.
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Old 02-19-2021, 07:52 PM
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[...] In time too I think Invictus will be passed to his nephews or niece or otherwise to a managing team. If it continues.
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Old 02-19-2021, 07:54 PM
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IMO there was also an element of sorting things out before the Oprah interview as it could look like they were being punished.
They have used the media this week, first the pregnancy photograph closely followed by the Oprah interview. They are keeping themselves in the media that they detest so much.
Have you seen the front page of the Star.
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Old 02-19-2021, 08:01 PM
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You could accuse anyone of anything and the situations are different.

And that is pretty much all of them...ones you mentioned. In time too I think Invictus will be passed to his nephews or niece or otherwise to a managing team. If it continues.
The Invictus Games are solely Harry's and has never been a "royal official" patronage in connection with the "Firm". Same with Sentebale. They're both Harry's personal patronages and passions.
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Old 02-19-2021, 08:02 PM
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This is all very sad to me for Harry. He lived his whole life just to turn against his own family again for a woman he hasn't known for a decade.
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Old 02-19-2021, 08:12 PM
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You could accuse anyone of anything and the situations are different.

And that is pretty much all of them...ones you mentioned. In time too I think Invictus will be passed to his nephews or niece or otherwise to a managing team. If it continues.
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The royal family has nothing to do with Sentebale or Invictus outside of Harry founding it. If he passes it on to anyone it will be his own children.
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Old 02-19-2021, 08:12 PM
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The Invictus Games are solely Harry's and has never been a "royal official" patronage in connection with the "Firm". Same with Sentebale. They're both Harry's personal patronages and passions.
He won't be around forever and of he envisages longevity contingency plans will have to be enabled. And Archie or other children, as not public people won't be an option. Unless of cpurse they totally turn th3m into public figures. Which would be interesting...but to survive they would be moved away from the cult of personality that is Harry. All things formed by one person eventually have to.
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Old 02-19-2021, 08:13 PM
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This is all very sad to me for Harry. He lived his whole life just to turn against his own family again for a woman he hasn't known for a decade.
He has not turned against his family. Harry has publicly stated more than once he had issues with the life he was born into, long before Meghan, he said he thought of leaving, he was not happy etc.



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Old 02-19-2021, 08:15 PM
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He won't be around forever and of he envisages longevity contingency plans will have to be enabled. And Archie or other children, as not public people won't b3 an option.
Archie and/or his sibling do not have to be public figures in order to be involved with any charity.


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Old 02-19-2021, 08:17 PM
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Archie and/or his sibling do not have to be public figures in order to be involved with any charity.


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Ah to run such an event as the figurehead...they do.
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Old 02-19-2021, 08:17 PM
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He won't be around forever and of he envisages longevity contingency plans will have to be enabled. And Archie or other children, as not public people won't b3 an option.
My guess is that it'll have a permanent place then with the Archewell Foundation. Not passed on to any "royal" or others in the UK . It's up to Harry to decide the future plans of the Invictus Games with the board of directors involved with those games and with Prince Seeiso as far as Sentebale goes.

It may even end up that the Invictus Games will end up being a stand alone operation in and of itself with no "patron" but a ruling board of directors like it already has for day to day running of the organization. It'll always be associated with Harry as its founding patron no matter how it goes into the future.
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Old 02-19-2021, 08:21 PM
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Ah to run such an event as the figurehead...they do.
And maybe they will ...none of us know. You cannot state they wont be public figures as adults. You have no way of knowing...Archie is not even 2


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Old 02-19-2021, 08:21 PM
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My guess is that it'll have a permanent place then with the Archewell Foundation. Not passed on to any "royal" or others in the UK . It's up to Harry to decide the future plans of the Invictus Games with the board of directors involved with those games and with Prince Seeiso as far as Sentebale goes.
I believe Invictus is already run by its own foundation. I don't see that changing. Harry is essentially it's face. Same with Sentebale. But Sentable will continue anyway because of its grass roots connection. Harry isn't needed.
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Old 02-19-2021, 08:23 PM
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And maybe they will ...none of us know. You cannot state they wont be public figures as adults. You have no way of knowing...Archie is not even 2


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No. They can do what they want but the point is Harry moved from a place of a 'family business' to one of that not being an option. The royals simply pass things on. That isn't necessarily an option for Harry.
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