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Had I married into a job, as she did.. I'd certainly have given myself longer [5+years] to settle in - barely 12 months [if one includes the Maternity leave] isn't ANY time at all [unless one is 'flighty']..

Stop blaming it on Meghan. Look to Harry. The man said for years he thought about leaving, in more than one interview and since they left he talked about it. Yes I'm sure she had input however it's not like Harry was all unicorns and rainbows about life as a Royal then all the sudden decided to leave.


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Old 02-15-2020, 11:13 AM
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If the atmosphere around you is not ideal and actually unhealthy... you 100% should leave. No one should subject themselves to anything for the sake of appearances.

That goes for anyone.
Lots of people have to put up with living and working situations that are very difficult..
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Old 02-15-2020, 11:15 AM
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Had I married into a job, as she did.. I'd certainly have given myself longer [5+years] to settle in - barely 12 months [if one includes the Maternity leave] isn't ANY time at all [unless one is 'flighty']..
We literally have no idea what Meghan went through behind the scenes.

...the fact is we don't know what truly went down and we might never know. But I doubt any of them were as surprised as the press likes to claim. Harry is also a grown man who had not hide his POV about his position. The idea of him walking away was there long before Meghan was in the picture. He didn't chose his life. He was forced onto him. He walked away.

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Lots of people have to put up with living and working situations that are very difficult..

And that is their choice. Many people also leave those situations. I am not here to judge anyone because all situations are different. But if one can leave why shouldn't they?
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Old 02-15-2020, 11:17 AM
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Lots of people have to put up with living and working situations that are very difficult..
Yes and that means no one is allowed to leave their jobs because other ppl can't? That's silly. Sorry I did not base my decisions on whether or not to leave a job on the idea that someone else has to put up with difficult working situations.



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Old 02-15-2020, 11:24 AM
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Yes and that means no one is allowed to leave their jobs because other ppl can't? That's silly. Sorry I did not base my decisions on whether or not to leave a job on the idea that someone else has to put up with difficult working situations.



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No, they can leave..but it means that other people will probably not feel al that sympathetic to them-.
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Old 02-15-2020, 11:40 AM
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^^^ One can think they can deal with something and realize under various circumstance that it is not right for them. Maybe she tried. Maybe something happened that completely changed everything. People go into situations all time and things happen and your tolerance level changes. For many it usually occurs when you become a parent. What you could deal with suddenly is not worth it when someone else is now in the picture.

You don't think it is mature. I find is very mature and strong to walk away from something you don't want. Seems people just really wanted her to suck it up and stay because it would had made the optics of the family better. That never works.

History proves as much.
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Old 02-15-2020, 11:40 AM
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No, they can leave..but it means that other people will probably not feel al that sympathetic to them-.
That's fine too...ppl shouldn't expect everyone to agree/sympathize with their decisions. Disagreeing with them is one thing...going past that and assigning motives based on tabloid articles is another.



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Old 02-15-2020, 11:45 AM
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To those who are saying aboit them failing. I don't want that but I think they are perhaps being over reaching and seeking to replace a royal foundation, with a nonroyal one. But that do3snt change anything and they no longer have the former platform. Starting small would be perfect for them and give them the quieter life they seem seek? What about volunteering for a charity you are supporting. Giving your time in a low key way. But that doesn't seem what they want. They want the same life but they think that without the royal stamp. But that isn't the way it is. They won't escape the media and neither will they have the backing.
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Old 02-15-2020, 11:46 AM
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Trying to paint him as some sort of dull blade or stupid/dumb won't work. You don't fly helos, especially under stress of battle, without having some brains. Because he doesn't make decisions like you would or makes decisions you don't agree with doesn't mean he is not smart.

Perhaps if ppl had been allowed to live more as they wanted the RF wouldn't be facing this issue now? It's hardly some sort of real monarchy as it is. They are basically ambassadors for the country at this point.


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Itís only an issue with Harry, so I think the BRF is doing just fine...
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Old 02-15-2020, 11:48 AM
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Yes and that means no one is allowed to leave their jobs because other ppl can't? That's silly. Sorry I did not base my decisions on whether or not to leave a job on the idea that someone else has to put up with difficult working situations.
I'd say the basic difference is that some of us see 'being a member of the royal family' not just as any other job but as a responsibility (some might even call it calling) that you were born into (Harry) or a life-time commitment you took upon you (Meghan).
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Old 02-15-2020, 11:51 AM
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the state of the firm is problematic.
Its easier to blame an institution, than an individual...[or in this case two individuals].
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It’s only an issue with Harry, so I think the BRF is doing just fine...

It's only a known issue with them....we don't know whom else this would apply to within the family. As far as fine goes..that's the surface. We don't know anything other than what they let us see.




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Old 02-15-2020, 12:03 PM
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It's only a known issue with them....we don't know whom else this would apply to within the family. As far as fine goes..that's the surface. We don't know anything other than what they let us see.



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You think it’s too much to assume their fine, but I think it’s too much to assume they’re not. I understand that we don’t know them, and I’m sure that their private lives are as goofy/hectic as ordinary joes are, but until I see or hear that Royals are wanting to leave the Firm, I have to assume that this isn’t an issue. It’s all I can go on.
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Old 02-15-2020, 12:07 PM
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I do think Meghan and Harry together thought they could change some things to suit themselves and the way they wanted to do things, and when told no, probably over a year ago, decided they would go ahead and figure out a way to do things their way anyway.
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I'd say the basic difference is that some of us see 'being a member of the royal family' not just as any other job but as a responsibility (some might even call it calling) that you were born into (Harry) or a life-time commitment you took upon you (Meghan).

This idea of family legacy (such as it is) is hardly unknown for many families out there who run businesses. Children expected to fill the shoes of those before them. The BRF is a family business...it has a larger scale and grander history but ultimately it's a family business of sorts.

Not everyone is capable or even wants to remain part of it. Not all of them do...some start out and then decide it's not for them.

It's not a calling for all of them or Anne would of allowed her children to be titled. Edward and Sophie have decided their children won't be fulfilling the role they were born into either.

Meghan left with her husband. Again no idea why there is this desire to make her into the instigator when we clearly know Harry has contemplated leaving for years.


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Old 02-15-2020, 12:12 PM
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You think it’s too much to assume their fine, but I think it’s too much to assume they’re not. I understand that we don’t know them, and I’m sure that their private lives are as goofy/hectic as ordinary joes are, but until I see or hear that Royals are wanting to leave the Firm, I have to assume that this isn’t an issue. It’s all I can go on.

I don't assume either. We don't know. We only know what they allow us to know.

I like the BRF generally...I simply think they must continue to change how they do things if they want to continue on successfully.



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Old 02-15-2020, 12:16 PM
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I just don't think any of this simple black and white. There are plenty greys all around. I don't agree with how the Sussexes have handed some things but I suspect it is the same on the other side too. But now it has happened and everyone is moving forward.

Next month will be interesting when they return.
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Old 02-15-2020, 12:23 PM
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.......Next month will be interesting when they return.
Yes..I am interested to see what all they do (charities and such) while there, how long they stay ...will they stay till Beatrice's wedding or leave and come back?

There's (reportedly) some sort of event for Prince Phillip I think? Some concert around the same time as the CWS.



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I'd say the basic difference is that some of us see 'being a member of the royal family' not just as any other job but as a responsibility (some might even call it calling) that you were born into (Harry) or a life-time commitment you took upon you (Meghan).
I think this is very true.
I think some in the BRF have had to figure out how to carve a fulfilling career/life for themselves. They had to work at it and try different things, but they didn’t just quit after a short period of time. I don’t think it is at all easy to find personal fulfillment within restrictions.
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Old 02-15-2020, 12:36 PM
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I think this is very true.
I think some in the BRF have had to figure out how to carve a fulfilling career/life for themselves. They had to work at it and try different things, but they didnít just quit after a short period of time. I donít think it is at all easy to find personal fulfillment within restrictions.
Every life has restrictions and most people don't get that much freedom to find "personal fulfilment". Meghan IMO didn't realise what she was getting into when she married Harry. He has always been shaky, I think about Royal life...and while I don't know, I wonder if he DID make things clear to her what the UK was like, what the press was like and what royal life was like.
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