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Old 02-21-2020, 07:23 PM
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what are they unhappy about now? That they can't use Royal? That they can't make money and be Royal workers? What?


They sounded like they were complaining about not being able to earn their own income, which there is ďprecedenceĒ for, according to them.

It sounds childish, whiny, and unprofessional to me. Have they not learned anything? The decision was made. Just accept it gracefully imo.
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Old 02-21-2020, 07:26 PM
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They sounded like they were complaining about not being able to earn their own income, which there is “precedence” for, according to them.

It sounds childish, whiny, and unprofessional to me. Have they not learned anything? The decision was made. Just accept it gracefully imo.
I used to long for Harry to go away for a couple of years back.. because he seemed to be always showing off... and I wished he'd disappear but his disappearance with Meghan has been so OTT... I can't believe that he could make so much drama.. I read something a while ago about Charles and his sons.. that one author was saying that Charles found that his sons were volatile and hard to predict, just like Diana had been... I didn't know what to make of it, but BOy it is true of Harry at least
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Old 02-21-2020, 07:33 PM
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That first comment does seem a bit passive-aggressive.... I feel like Harry and Meghan sometimes say or write things that come off badly, that they didn't necessarily mean to convey.


I find it difficult to believe they donít know how this sounds.

Itís been consistent with them over the last few months. One poorly written statement after another. If they donít get it (and they should imo; neither are PR novices) surely someone at some point told them. Because it really sounds bad imo.

Any PR person should be able to tell them that just for starters.
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Old 02-21-2020, 07:33 PM
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I think the 12 month review period has been put in place to protect the BRF. Itís not for Harry and Meghanís benefit and I donít see it as the door being left open for a partial return to the institutional fold.

The coupleís behaviour had surely been problematic from the point of view of The Royal Family even before Harry and Meghanís surprise online announcement to everyone, (including The Queen), about how things were going to be going forward. With that announcement, however, they took things to a new level and showed everyone what they were willing to do to get their own way. Iím sure Harryís family loves him dearly and wants the best for him and his family, especially now that thereís a baby involved, but as professional royals, he and Meghan showed themselves to be completely untrustworthy.

If that untrustworthiness was due to the emotional volatility that sometimes accompanies the sort of mental illness Harry has alluded to in the past then, as one person to another, he has my sincere sympathy and I hope this new set up somehow provides him with a more positive life going forward. But it was becoming very obvious that he and Meghan couldnít continue the way they were going and remain effective working royals.

Right now it seems that Harry and the BRF and their advisors have come to a gentlemenís agreement that will only work if everyone adheres to it in both letter and in spirit. I think the next 12 months are meant to be Harry and Meghanís opportunity to demonstrate their willingness to hold up their end of the bargain so that more formal, and likely more stringent, measures donít need to be put in place.
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Old 02-21-2020, 07:37 PM
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Basically they thought they mattered. They thought they were a valuable commodity. They erre told. You're not that big. You're not that clever. We can survive without you but you know we will keep an eye because you can't exactly shame us. It would hurt anyone. Basically they were told they were a small cog that isn't even needed.
If they donít matter to the family and aren't needed in the family and were told this ó then all this back and forth between them all has truly been for not.

Frankly at this point itís wise it ends April 1
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Old 02-21-2020, 07:38 PM
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Basically they thought they mattered. They thought they were a valuable commodity. They erre told. You're not that big. You're not that clever. We can survive without you but you know we will keep an eye because you can't exactly shame us. It would hurt anyone. Basically they were told they were a small cog that isn't even needed.
Did they think that the RF would cave and say they were needed to work part time as they had originally wanted? Im starting to believe that Meghan and possibly Harry had this plan around for ages, before they married and have jut been waiting to spring it on the family.. that they never intended to stay in the job as full time royals.
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Old 02-21-2020, 07:45 PM
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what are they unhappy about now? That they can't use Royal? That they can't make money and be Royal workers? What?
How about that the Queen didnít bend to their will...It sounds like a sympathy rattle to me...lol
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Old 02-21-2020, 07:57 PM
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I find it difficult to believe they donít know how this sounds.

Itís been consistent with them over the last few months. One poorly written statement after another. If they donít get it (and they should imo; neither are PR novices) surely someone at some point told them. Because it really sounds bad imo.

Any PR person should be able to tell them that just for starters.
Some people are clueless ....Iím just positing itís as a suggestion. I admit itís not likely because they do keep saying the wrong things.

I think the year end review is not complicated - itís a way to keep the door open. No one wanted H and M to leave. Aside from that, itís just a practical thing to do - Charles wants to be sure his son is doing well.

Poppy, I couldnít disagree more. Sure, Harry was told by HM and his father that he couldnít have a court at Windsor, but by all accounts Charles absolutely intended for Harry and Meghan to be key figures in his reign. It seems to be Harry who for some reason - perhaps because Charles is mentoring William - thought he wasnít valued
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Old 02-21-2020, 08:20 PM
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I don't know what the main differences are between a Foundation and a non-profit? Would most Foundation not also be non-profits? Apparently, they still intend to have an 'entity' but not with the name and status of a 'Foundation' - they indeed stated that they were looking for 'innovative ways' to promote their causes (although this new ngo is 'in addition to their cause driven work' - so, what is it for; any thoughts?
The ins and outs about the differences is quite confusing to me to say the least. One thing I did happen to realize though its that its the difference how the tax exempts will work. As most likely, the "entity" they set up will not be limited to the UK or the US or Canada and perhaps involve all three (or even globally), how they set things up may have something to do with taxes.

I guess the best move for me to make here is to wait and see what actually does develop after April 1st. My crystal ball did come back from the shop but unfortunately, its still fuzzy like my mind is trying to sort out the differences between "foundation" and "NGO" and "private non profit organization" "endowments" and "business". No wonder I didn't want to work for the IRS here.

This link is interesting in explaining how a non profit organization works.

https://smallbusiness.chron.com/owne...fit-59679.html
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Old 02-21-2020, 08:42 PM
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When I read the newest headlines today regarding the confirmation of no more Sussex Royal, I headed for their website, still using Sussex Royal.
https://sussexroyal.com/spring-2020-transition/

"As shared in early January on this website, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex do not plan to start a ‘foundation’, but rather intend to develop a new way to effect change and complement the efforts made by so many excellent foundations". Ok no foundation.

I've kinda reached a Sussex saturation point. Seriously, 12 more months of this, I can't take it.Yikes! As much as I've been for team Meghan and Harry, enough already. I can't believe I'm saying it but these two need to get a royal grip. The world is a bit bigger than the two of you. Good luck, I'll check back next year. Time for a nap Zzzzz.
THIS.

I have been trying to give Harry and Meghan the benefit of the doubt but it appears that they have really lost the plot haven't they.

The star of the BRF is THE.QUEEN.

And when she dies, it will be THE.KING.

Everyone else is a bit player and replaceable. They think life will be easier outside the BRF. Yes,they might not have to follow the rules of the Firm but they will have lost the protection of the Firm.
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Old 02-21-2020, 08:48 PM
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Did they think that the RF would cave and say they were needed to work part time as they had originally wanted?.

Kinda seems that way.

My issue is it sounds like they donít really respect the decision of HM. The buck stops with her. It sounds disrespectful to me. Theyíre complaining imo about her decision. And since Iím sure Charles, and likely William, was in agreement with this, it sounds disrespectful to them too imo.

Did anyone tell them that you donít always get what you want, no matter how fair you think it is?

We have no idea how good or bad Harry and Meghanís relationships are with the family now, but I find it hard to believe statements like this are helping matters. Itís not accepting, graceful, conciliatory. I mean- theyíre the ones that made an announcement without it being approved. And even after all that chaos, they canít just note the decision without sounding like theyíre complaining.
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Old 02-21-2020, 08:49 PM
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I finally had a chance to read their statement in full and wow...it comes across as patronizing, whiny, petulant, spoiled, and condescending. They appear to be both resentful and reluctant. I don’t think they’re at all in favor of the 12 month review and, in fact, they appear to be quite resentful about it. I think this whole thing smacks of snide passive-aggressiveness and, frankly, I see much of the arrangement as designed to protect the monarchy.

They appear to need to remind themselves of how royal and indispensable they are while pounding home to everyone that they are loved and valued members of the family. It definitely screams loud and clear that they’re genuinely floored that the family didn’t bow down and roll over at their command. I really think was a rude awakening for them and they’re now pouting and sulking while using snide and childish tactics with their statement. They could have easily stuck with a listing of facts but they felt the need to use petulant and passive aggressive language throughout which made their contempt and displeasure quite evident. But, I suppose, that’s the point. They clearly want everyone, including the BRF, to know that they’re stomping around like put out teenagers.
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Old 02-21-2020, 08:57 PM
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Yes, they claimed that precedent before but never provided the appropriate precedent: which other royal members expect to regularly undertake foreign tours while earning a private income?
Just a thought, maybe what they referred as "precedent" was William working as Rescue Pilot (after his RAF career). That time technically William was an employee for other institution outside RF (as Rescue Pilot), got paid (which he donated to charity), while still able to work as "part time working royal" where he still perform royal duty and undertake foreign tour.
But of course, in William's case with him working as Rescue Pilot, he still worked for UK (England?) so there's no conflict of interest ensued.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:02 PM
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The Sussexes seem to be sulking because they couldn’t get their own way. And they discovered, that while the BRF would have found them useful if they had stayed, they were not indispensable. They seem to be desperately hanging onto any scrap of royalness they can, from my reading of their website. I think they were truly shocked by how everything turned out.

I think Meghan may reopen The Tig or something similar, she made money from it. And I definitely can see both of them giving speeches for a fee. There is good money in that.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:09 PM
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After reading this whole column I haven't heard anyone mention a question I have. That is, does anyone think this all goes back to one item. Harry and Meghan could not decide anything for themselves, They could not decide what to do without permission. They could not decide on income needs or what they wanted to spend their money on. Everything was dictated, I wouldn't expect any modern couple to like not really being independent. As such, I'll just sign off and see what happens in the future. See you in a year. I'm not a fan of all this speculation.
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Yes, they claimed that precedent before but never provided the appropriate precedent: which other royal members expect to regularly undertake foreign tours while earning a private income?
Edward & Sophie? If they mean them, that is a bad precedent to cite, because that didnít work.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:16 PM
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The Sussexes seem to be sulking because they couldnít get their own way. And they discovered, that while the BRF would have found them useful if they had stayed, they were not indispensable. They seem to be desperately hanging onto any scrap of royalness they can, from my reading of their website. I think they were truly shocked by how everything turned out.
I truly believe that when they were denied their own Court, they had a ďweíll see about thatĒ momentóresulting in the parting to Canada. Big egos. I also think royalness has everything to do with it because of money.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:22 PM
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I doubt Prince Harry will have any particular difficulty in finding things to do. Being the son of Charles and Diana attracts and will still do for many years. It’s not exactly that he needs to go up on a stage and introduce himself. We shouldn’t underestimate him. He haven’t been sitting on his ass and done nothing for 35 years. He is an experienced solider and an experienced charity leader. He knows perfectly what leadership is and he knows perfectly what managing is. And i don’t think he is dumb when it comes to economy. I don’t think his future is dark just because he has decided to not inagurate schools, hospitals and undertake official visits as a Prince of the United Kingdom anymore.

And i don’t think it’s out of the question that he in a few years time will be announced as Governor General or a Lieutenant Governor...
I think that is totally out of question now as no Canadian PM would nominate a GG who is not a Canadian citizen and has a long standing connection to Canada . Even if Harry became a naturalized Canadian, he wouldn’t stand a chance.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:37 PM
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I finally had a chance to read their statement in full and wow...it comes across as patronizing, whiny, petulant, spoiled, and condescending. They appear to be both resentful and reluctant. I don’t think they’re at all in favor of the 12 month review and, in fact, they appear to be quite resentful about it. I think this whole thing smacks of snide passive-aggressiveness and, frankly, I see much of the arrangement as designed to protect the monarchy.

They appear to need to remind themselves of how royal and indispensable they are while pounding home to everyone that they are loved and valued members of the family. It definitely screams loud and clear that they’re genuinely floored that the family didn’t bow down and roll over at their command. I really think was a rude awakening for them and they’re now pouting and sulking while using snide and childish tactics with their statement. They could have easily stuck with a listing of facts but they felt the need to use petulant and passive aggressive language throughout which made their contempt and displeasure quite evident. But, I suppose, that’s the point. They clearly want everyone, including the BRF, to know that they’re stomping around like put out teenagers.
In the past few months they've really come across as whiny and it's not a good look for them- the "poor, poor, pitiful me" interview in Africa, the "we didn't want to leave but we were forced out" narrative, and now this statement that was VERY passive aggressive (and there's no way that you can read it as anything but passive aggressive). I think their intended goal was to make themselves come off as being the victims, but it really just has made them look like spoiled children who didn't get their way.

And before anyone jumps on me- I'm not saying that they never experienced anything negative, or haven't been affected by the media/mental health issues/Diana's death/the Markles/etc. I'm just saying the WAY that it came across really did not cast them in a sympathetic light like they wanted it to.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:39 PM
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If they donít matter to the family and aren't needed in the family and were told this ó then all this back and forth between them all has truly been for not.

Frankly at this point itís wise it ends April 1
That's a false narrative: they weren't told they weren't needed; they were told that there are certain boundaries within which they had to function and they refused - so the logical consequence is that they are out.

It was clear that the queen and prince of Wales fully counted on Harry and Meghan to be full-time working members of the family - and during their engagement interview it seemed they were looking forward to taking that role on; and the first months even before the wedding showed exactly that.

However, H&M found out, that they are not THAT indispensable that they can dictate (it is: by earning a professional income but still representing HM in the UK and abroad to a certain extent) to the Sovereign how they are going to contribute to her life work and calling. Unfortunately, they decided that their freedom was more important than the duty they together had taken upon them not that long before.

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After reading this whole column I haven't heard anyone mention a question I have. That is, does anyone think this all goes back to one item. Harry and Meghan could not decide anything for themselves, They could not decide what to do without permission. They could not decide on income needs or what they wanted to spend their money on. Everything was dictated, I wouldn't expect any modern couple to like not really being independent. As such, I'll just sign off and see what happens in the future. See you in a year. I'm not a fan of all this speculation.
Where does your impression come from that 'they could not decide anything' for themselves? They could not create their own separate household (and that was most likely a huge blow to them) but that's a far cry from 'everything was dictated'. They surely had a lot of lee-way to take issues on that were important to them; they were entrusted with important roles within the Commonwealth and given some pretty significant other patronages - while also having the opportunity to pursue their own interests and do their own projects. That doesn't look like 'everything was dictated' to me.
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