The Duke and Duchess of Sussex: Transition & Future

[Elenath]

Originally Posted by Denville

what else can independent MEAN but making their own money and not being dependent on allowances from his fater?

Independence can mean "making once own money" or to depend on what they already have, but it doesn't mean the money they might make needs to be for their own use. It could also mean if they are paid for documentaries or speaking, all of the money (minus the costs they made) will be for their foundation and not to go shopping.
The impression I get now is that some people think they'll start selling teatowels through a website. You know, teatowels with their photo on it that kind of thing.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Elenath

Independence can mean "making once own money" or to depend on what they already have, but it doesn't mean the money they might make needs to be for their own use. It could also mean if they are paid for documentaries or speaking, all of the money (minus the costs they made) will be for their foundation and not to go shopping.
The impression I get now is that some people think they'll start selling teatowels through a website. You know, teatowels with their photo on it that kind of thing.

But they are not depending on what they already have. They are taking money it seems from Charles.. and they are planning to make more money for themselves. I assume that they DO mean to use some kind of merchandising to earnr a living as the issue of their brand has been discussed and the queen has forbidden them to use HRH in their commercial work.
and IMO as long as they're accepting an allowance from Charles, they aren't "independent"....
I assume that they intend to donate some of their earnings to the charities they support but If they spoke of earning a professional income, that seems to indicate "earning our own money which we can spend on ourselves" rather than donating the bulk of it to charity.

[Alison H]

If Harry and Meghan put anything they earn into their charitable foundation, what are they going to live off? £30 million would be more than enough for me :-) , but I live in a fairly small house. People like the Clintons have charitable foundations, but they earn money from writing books and giving speeches, and use a lot of it for themselves - which is fine, absolutely no reason why they shouldn't, but they've got plenty to talk and write about. It doesn't seem very reasonable for Prince Charles to fund Harry and Meghan indefinitely if they are not carrying out royal duties, and it doesn't fit with being "financially independent".

I'm not sure that using the word "Royal" is going to make that much difference. If anyone's sufficiently interested in them to go to a talk they're giving or ask them to speak at their own fundraising event, they'll know exactly who they are anyway. They could just say "Harry and Meghan" and it'd be enough.

[Mirabel]

Originally Posted by Alison H

If Harry and Meghan put anything they earn into their charitable foundation, what are they going to live off? £30 million would be more than enough for me :-) , but I live in a fairly small house. People like the Clintons have charitable foundations, but they earn money from writing books and giving speeches, and use a lot of it for themselves - which is fine, absolutely no reason why they shouldn't, but they've got plenty to talk and write about. It doesn't seem very reasonable for Prince Charles to fund Harry and Meghan indefinitely if they are not carrying out royal duties, and it doesn't fit with being "financially independent".

Good point!
The only thing Harry would be able to talk and write about (that would interest people) is the RF.
And that's the one subject he shouldn't talk about!

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Alison H

If Harry and Meghan put anything they earn into their charitable foundation, what are they going to live off? £30 million would be more than enough for me :-) , but I live in a fairly small house. People like the Clintons have charitable foundations, but they earn money from writing books and giving speeches, and use a lot of it for themselves - which is fine, absolutely no reason why they shouldn't, but they've got plenty to talk and write about. It doesn't seem very reasonable for Prince Charles to fund Harry and Meghan indefinitely if they are not carrying out royal duties, and it doesn't fit with being "financially independent".

I'm not sure that using the word "Royal" is going to make that much difference. If anyone's sufficiently interested in them to go to a talk they're giving or ask them to speak at their own fundraising event, they'll know exactly who they are anyway. They could just say "Harry and Meghan" and it'd be enough.

It seems that some people are saying that Meg an Harry are not planning on making an income for themselves but that it is what they have said themselves.. that they wisih to be financially independent and to earn a professional income. And the queen clearly thinks so as well as she has barred them from using the HRH in their commercial work.
I suspect that much of what they earn will be for them, not for the charity foundation, and they will just use that to raise funds.. if they indeed have time to manage it. But I wonder how long they will be of interest with their commercial work? I m not sure that Harry's speaking engagement will go on for all that long.. so what else can they do? Sell merchandise? I suppose so, but it does not seem really very "royal". Of course there are minor royals who engage in business but they are people who were never supposed to be part of the royal workers and were always supposed to earn their own livings.. and they also get criticism for dubious taste or for slightly too much use of their "family connexions" to gain interest.
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Originally Posted by Mirabel

Good point!
The only thing Harry would be able to talk and write about (that would interest people) is the RF.
And that's the one subject he shouldn't talk about!

I should say that he is forbidden by the terms of this set up from discussing or talking about his family in any detail. He can probably talk about his mental health as that is personal to him..but other than that, he's restricted. And how long wil that subject net him a fancy fee?

Originally Posted by fabaunty

There is still no guarantee that the Duke and Duchess will be able to stay in Canada . Whilst the Duchess may have enjoyed the mix of publicity necessitated by her career, combined with the social /legal protection of her privacy available in Canada, this came about because her job qualified her to live in the country . I can certainly understand why the couple would find this an attractive format .
However neither the Duchess or Duke currently fulfil any criteria except as visitors . I understand from previous posts they cannot earn a living as such ?

Im sure they'll find some way around it, though strictly speaking they are probably there as visitors which has limitations on how long you can stay.... There will probably be some agreement arranged with the Canadian Govt.

[Betsypaige]

Originally Posted by Denville

No, they didn't want to "ditch the BRF" they wantd to be half and half, which wasn't a workable plan and Harry at least should have known that. So why put it forward? And I don't think the family is going to be "reunited". Harry and Meg will come back for a short time, to do engagements, and perhaps for Bea's wedding.. and other events like that. But IMO their life is in N America now unless things don't go well and they come back here, ready to live in Frogmore again and see what kind of life they can make here. I don't think that "coming over to do a few charity engagemetns" is going to work out for too long. They will be busy with their business in Canada, they will have a small child that will have to be taken into account, and hopping ot the UK now and again wont be practical. They will remain members of the family, they are not being treated as outside the family, lke the DOW was, but All the same there may well be tension about their decision to walk away...

Um, they a WILL be reunited when Harry, Meghan and Archie return to the UK...a reunion doesn’t have to be permanent.

[ACO]

My impression of their statement and actions so far is they want to be able to set themselves up to be able to financially able to support themselves but mostly have the ability to have more freedom in regards to their foundation.

Harry can talk about plenty. He will be launching a project while in the UK according the Travayst team. He clearly about to be all into promoting Invictus. All this ties into their foundation.

Look at big picture. I’m sure the Sussexes are which is why they going all over talking to various people of different backgrounds.

[Mirabel]

According to the DM, Harry and Meghan are eying a property in Malibu.

Hmm, I always figured they'd end up in the Hollywood area but many scoffed at the idea. I guess time will tell.

[Pranter]

The Sussexes are supposed to have moved into, or thinking of moving into at least 40 properties ...if they keep guessing I guess they will get it right eventually.


LaRae

[QueenMathilde]

Originally Posted by Alison H

If Harry and Meghan put anything they earn into their charitable foundation, what are they going to live off? £30 million would be more than enough for me :-) , but I live in a fairly small house. People like the Clintons have charitable foundations, but they earn money from writing books and giving speeches, and use a lot of it for themselves - which is fine, absolutely no reason why they shouldn't, but they've got plenty to talk and write about. It doesn't seem very reasonable for Prince Charles to fund Harry and Meghan indefinitely if they are not carrying out royal duties, and it doesn't fit with being "financially independent".

I'm not sure that using the word "Royal" is going to make that much difference. If anyone's sufficiently interested in them to go to a talk they're giving or ask them to speak at their own fundraising event, they'll know exactly who they are anyway. They could just say "Harry and Meghan" and it'd be enough.

They keep saying they're rich but not for the scale people like them live on. One of the houses they were supposedly looking to buy costs 24 million dollars. How are they going to afford that?

[Pranter]

Originally Posted by QueenMathilde

They keep saying they're rich but not for the scale people like them live on. One of the houses they were supposedly looking to buy costs 24 million dollars. How are they going to afford that?

Who said they are buying a 24 million dollar home?


LaRae

[QueenMathilde]

Originally Posted by Pranter

Who said they are buying a 24 million dollar home?


LaRae

Oh, a tabloid as usual. But they aren't going to buy a cheap home. And probably more than one.

[ACO]

Harry will be promoting Travalyst and will go to Edinburgh for a working summit. They also state that Meghan has a slew of private engagements in the UK. So they will be busy for the Telegraph is claiming is 12 days of engagements.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-fa...acking-flight/

If they are here that long then Archie will no doubt be with his parents. I didn't think they would leave him in Canada this time around. It is a much more planned trip unlike last time where they hadn't planned on being in the UK for more than a few days.

[Duke of Marmalade]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...oyal-name.html


more speculation about the branding, keeping or dropping the 'royal'.

[QueenMathilde]

This is what I was wondering - how is the Queen going to stop Harry and Meghan from using the "Sussex Royal" brand?


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...iends-21548463

[Lady Marlboro]

I have been thinking about the financial independence and income portion of this process. I am starting to wonder if the idea is to raise money for the foundation and then they would get a salary from the foundation as "employees". I hope I am wrong because this would be really tricky to pull off and not have it look like more money is going to them instead of the foundation. Also, has there been any indication as to where the foundation is going to be legally situated? Canada, UK, US - all three maybe?

[ACO]

Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...oyal-name.html


more speculation about the branding, keeping or dropping the 'royal'.

As if any of Meghan;s friends would talk to the Daily Mail.

And an update on Sussex Royal.

They will not be using it past March 31. They confirmed it was only trademarked per advice like the Royal Foundation was also trademarked.

Interesting. Just like many said. A protective measure and nothing more. Anyways glad that is done with and everyone can finally move on.

The statement:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERUmiITW...jpg&name=large

[Lumutqueen]

Confirmation from this Sussex Spokeswoman based in London:

https://twitter.com/royanikkhah/stat...079320578?s=21

https://twitter.com/royanikkhah/stat...073191938?s=21

“While The Duke and Duchess are focused on plans to establish a new non-profit organisation, given the specific UK government rules surrounding use of the word 'Royal’, it has been therefore agreed that their non-profit organisation, when it is announced this Spring, will not be named Sussex Royal Foundation. The Duke and Duchess of Sussex do not intend to use ‘SussexRoyal’ in any territory post Spring 2020. Therefore the trademark applications that were filed as protective measures, acting on advice from and following the same model for The Royal Foundation, have been removed.”

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by Denville

what else can independent MEAN but making their own money and not being dependent on allowances from his fater?

Originally Posted by Elenath

Independence can mean "making once own money" or to depend on what they already have, but it doesn't mean the money they might make needs to be for their own use. It could also mean if they are paid for documentaries or speaking, all of the money (minus the costs they made) will be for their foundation and not to go shopping.
The impression I get now is that some people think they'll start selling teatowels through a website. You know, teatowels with their photo on it that kind of thing.

They didn't just say they wanted to become independent (although it was obviously a key part given how many times they stressed that)
"and work to become financially independent"
"they will become members of the Royal Family with financial independence which is something they look forward to."
"while having the future financial autonomy to work externally."
"Their Royal Highnesses are hopeful that this change is in the best interest for all and look forward to carrying out their duties to the monarch as well as their charitable work with financial autonomy."
"With their transition to becoming members of the Royal Family with financial independence"

but specifically state they want to earn a professional income:.
"they value the ability to earn a professional income, which in the current structure they are prohibited from doing. For this reason they have made the choice to become members of the Royal Family with financial independence."

(All direct quotes from their website)

And according to their Funding Page financially independent INCLUDES relying on The Prince of Wales to fund them. However, that was before it was clear to them that the BRF would never agree with their terms, so they are probably still figuring out how the balance of earning their own money by external activities and being provided with a (large) sum of money by Harry's father work out.

[wyevale]

https://twitter.com/royanikkhah/stat...079320578?s=21

^ Splendid.. and the first good news from their official sources, we've had in MONTHS..