The Duke and Duchess of Sussex: Transition & Future

[poppy7]

Originally Posted by Betsypaige

I also think it’s sad that he won’t grow up with his grandfather, great-grandparents, uncles, aunts, cousins...Yes, of course people do it all the time, but Skype is not the same thing as actually being there physically

I think, in my view, that growing up away from family is a sad thing. Some people like it though. But one of the most striking things to me is that first generation immigrants fail to see that the country and family has changed without them and they have a stunted view and that the second generation consider themselves to be full members of a family where the generation of their age consider them to be just sporadic visitors to their life. A bit prodigal son like. And the third generation go looking for their roots. And barely know anything.

Archie may grow up considering the Cambridges as a major part of his life and family. They will probably view him slightly more remotely and Louis won't really know Harry at all. Or Archie, William I don't think. Plus there are step cousins too in this, although older. I hope Archie at least has a good relationship with his grandfather and grandmother. But then how often will he be brought to England and Charles is very busy. He may never know Phillip or even the Queen. It all seems so lonely to me. But then that is my point of view.

[Betsypaige]

Originally Posted by ACO

He was growing up away from his maternal grandmother as well. And if the rift was as bad as claimed then he wasn't seeing much of them anyways. Hard to really tell what Archie is missing out on as we don't know what the state of any of these relationships were. And if he their bond is as important as some believe then they will work it out. Families live apart.

Of course they live apart, but I still find it kind of sad. Well, hopefully when Archie returns, he'll be able to spend some time with family that from now on he won't see that often.

*Good point about Doria....

** Well I imagine that most people would agree that parent/child and sibling bonds are important. I also understand that family relationships are complicated......I really don't want to think negatively about Harry and his relationships with his family, so I'll just say that I'm looking forward to his return.

Originally Posted by poppy7

I think, in my view, that growing up away from family is a sad thing. Some people like it though. But one of the most striking things to me is that first generation immigrants fail to see that the country and family has changed without them and they have a stunted view and that the second generation consider themselves to be full members of a family where the generation of their age consider them to be just sporadic visitors to their life. A bit prodigal son like. And the third generation go looking for their roots. And barely know anything.

Archie may grow up considering the Cambridges as a major part of his life and family. They will probably view him slightly more remotely and Louis won't really know Harry at all. Or Archie, William I don't think. Plus there are step cousins too in this, although older. I hope Archie at least has a good relationship with his grandfather and grandmother. But then how often will he be brought to England and Charles is very busy. He may never know Phillip or even the Queen. It all seems so lonely to me. But then that is my point of view.

I realize that many people don't grow up knowing their cousins that well, but it's not the usual thing in the BRF. Archie doesn't have a choice - he goes where his parents go. When he gets older, he may wish he'd have spent time with his great-grandparents, his grandfather, his uncle, aunts, cousins.....and in some cases, it will be too late to rectify. This is getting morbid, lol. I just hope that baby Archie will love visiting with his family....

[BaiSoSo]

Originally Posted by wyevale

That's not so very unusual..I have to make an appointment to see my Parents - they're BUSY people, and their Social life is busier than mine !

Making an appointment for Harry means going through courtiers to get on his grandmother's calendar and if they want they can stall you. That is different than calling up grandma to see when would be a good time to visit or go to dinner.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by BaiSoSo

Making an appointment for Harry means going through courtiers to get on his grandmother's calendar and if they want they can stall you. That is different than calling up grandma to see when would be a good time to visit or go to dinner.

She's the queen. That's the way it is. If she were a very high powered rich businesswoman, it would likely be much the same.. that her grandchildren would have to wait for secretaries to get onto her and fit in the appointmetn etc. If he really wanted to see his grandma, it may not be just as easy as walking inot the house but it would be do able...

Originally Posted by Betsypaige

Of course they live apart, but I still find it kind of sad. Well, hopefully when Archie returns, he'll be able to spend some time with family that from now on he won't see that often.

*Good point about Doria....

** Well I imagine that most people would agree that parent/child and sibling bonds are important. I also understand that family relationships are complicated......I really don't want to think negatively about Harry and his relationships with his family, so I'll just say that I'm looking forward to his return.

I expect that he and Archie and Meg wil visit, but I don't see any reason to imaigne that they will stay long.. and possibly because of that, they wont be that close to Charles or the queen or the Cambridge kids. Anyway I am indifferent. He wanted to live abroad - or possibly he does ntot but is doing it for Meg's sake..but its his choice..

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[_Heather_]

Originally Posted by evolvingdoors

Technically there is a way around it: the oath of allegiance is spoken during the naturalization ceremony, to get there you have to first live in the US a few years as a Green Card holder and than apply for citizenship. As the spouse of a US citizen Harry is entitled to a Green Card, but not a citizenship- not until , again, he has lived in the us for a few years (I remember five years, but things may have changed since trump took office)

He can easily bypass the oath by never applying for a citizenship and simply living in the US on a GC- this will mean some responsibilities and benefits would not apply to him, but he will be able to freely work, and he will not have to take the oath at any point, thus creating a contradiction in his allegiance to the crown.

The downside? Once the marriage ends he is likely to lose his GC and will have to return to the UK, unless he proves a valid reason to stay- and even than it’s not a given.
It could be that is why they are in Canada, waiting for Harry to be approved for a GC.


I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

I suppose that's true. I hadn't necessarily considered the idea that he could stay indefinitely on a green card to avoid the oath. It's an interesting thought and I'm really not well acquainted with immigration laws well enough to have much opinion on it as far as legality. Also an interesting point that he could be forced to return to the UK in the event of a split.

[Fijiro]

Originally Posted by _Heather_

I suppose that's true. I hadn't necessarily considered the idea that he could stay indefinitely on a green card to avoid the oath. It's an interesting thought and I'm really not well acquainted with immigration laws well enough to have much opinion on it as far as legality. Also an interesting point that he could be forced to return to the UK in the event of a split.

You do not loose your GC or Citizenship even if marriage ends.

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Comments speculating on how William feels about Archie have been deleted. Let’s move on from discussing what type of relationship Archie will have with the rest of the royal family.

[tausi]

I appreciate the mod's work. It is quite difficult to have a constructive discussion on the Sussex. I imagine it is tough job for the moderators.

No one knows how Prince William feels about his nephew. People are projecting their own fanatics feelings to the family dynamics. For all we know he loves him just as much as his other nephews (Arthur Matthews) & cousin's children (Zara & Peter's kids).

[evolvingdoors]

Originally Posted by Fijiro

You do not loose your GC or Citizenship even if marriage ends.

Do not confuse GC with citizenship.
A GC is the pathway to citizenship, but you can absolutely lose it, quite easily even.

I know a couple of people who had to leave the US because their marriages ended, both were married to their ex’s for well over five years, so the marriages were legit. They never applied for citizenship they only had a GC, so when the marriage ended their marriage based GC ended too.
Essentially they got deported, just because the marriage ended. It’s shitty, but it happens.

Similar to how Meghan is going to be losing her british “GC”. Or, if she and Harry were to divorce while she was still in the U.K. but before she received her British citizenship she could had been eligible for deportation had her request to stay after the divorce had been rejected.

[XeniaCasaraghi]

Originally Posted by BaiSoSo

The thing is that Meghan didn't seem to have a problem with the work part of being a royal...she seemed to thrive on it already having 3 solo projects and 3 successful tours in that 18 months. It was the outside forces...that made the couple want to make changes.

As for people worrying about Harry moving to a new country...he is an adult not a fragile little kid anymore. He has friends around the world as Meghan so they still have support systems...heck even the Vancouver community is protective of them. Besides, it wasn't like he saw his family very often, considering he had to make appointments to see his grandmother/father.

How ironic you say Harry is an adult and can handle it when this was the same thing people were saying about Meghan moving to the UK and we all know how that turned out.

Originally Posted by Betsypaige

It says something that Harry has dropped so many of his friends........

We have no proof he actually has but I wouldn't be surprised if it is occuring, and I agree it says something about both of them that Harry would drop his friends who he has known for years.

[BaiSoSo]

Originally Posted by XeniaCasaraghi

How ironic you say Harry is an adult and can handle it when this was the same thing people were saying about Meghan moving to the UK and we all know how that turned out.



We have no proof he actually has but I wouldn't be surprised if it is occuring, and I agree it says something about both of them that Harry would drop his friends who he has known for years.

Well, the circumstances are very different, Meghan had to experience things (that we aren't allowed to refer to in this thread) that Harry won't have to experience in Canada. Vancouver has already shown that it is protective of the couple. BTW I think Meghan handled moving to the UK and even the BRF work just fine, however, if people are going to bully you for no reason you don't have to just sit there and take it for the sake of wearing a tiara once in a while...it isn't worth it.

As for Harry dropping friends he has known for years we don't if it happened, but if it did it's probably for a good reason. Many of those friends are the ones he went to bars with coming out drunk, over partying in Vegas perhaps he doesn't want that lifestyle anymore or they could have been leaks to the papers who knows. Harry is a family man now and is making decisions that are best for the three of them..whether people like it or not Meghan/Archie and their safety/happiness take priority over friends that's what happens when you get married.

[QueenMathilde]

Well I haven't had the chance to read through the thread but I assume we've all seen the news that the Queen told them they couldn't use "Sussex Royal" anymore. So what does that mean? And how is she going to enforce it?

[Betsypaige]

The headline is wrong, but the article is fair. No more Sussex Royal.

I think this is the right decision. Harry and Meghan chose this new life for themselves, and that does not include them being Royal. They wanted independence, now they have it.

Oh, and read Hardman’s article...

https://twitter.com/dailymailuk/stat...172186112?s=21

[wyevale]

Splendid news... seeking to profit from a position they no longer hold was always going to be unacceptable both to the Crown and the British public, and now that position is clarified..
The couple can now move on, with their 'endeavours', unencumbered by the pesky royal status, they found so terribly onerous..

All their 'merch' featuring the phrase Sussex royal' will shortly be on ebay, so perhaps buy a bit - it *might* one day be worth a lot of money ?

[ACO]

Well technically it’s not confirmed though I hope it is true. The discussion is “ongoing” per some statement all the rota has put out now.

I personally think they should drop it. I don’t see the point in maintaining it.

[Alison H]

It's an exclusive in tomorrow's Daily Mail, apparently. No idea where they've got it from, but "sources" have apparently confirmed it. The logic seems to be that, if they no longer want to participate in the life and work of the Royal Family, they're no longer royal, so they can't use the word "royal" in a way that suggests they are - in the same way that you can't use words like government, doctor or university in a name if you/your organisation isn't/aren't one. Fair enough.


I always think it's a silly name anyway: it sounds like a hospital, or a golf club. Or even a racehorse.

[poppy7]

I think it's right. Christ it is quick how everyone just kind of accepted Harry leaving and shrugging. He was the more popular one for years and even my own brother who could care less about royals respected him for his army work...and now same brother is just. He shrugged his responsibilities. I didn't think it mattered to him but ai guess it reminds us all that we all have responsibilities to our nearest and dearest. Now,the dust has settled. There I little empathy ai find. Although in the beginning the media were blamed big style.

[Betsypaige]

Originally Posted by ACO

Well technically it’s not confirmed though I hope it is true. The discussion is “ongoing” per some statement all the rota has put out now.

I personally think they should drop it. I don’t see the point in maintaining it.

The "fine details" are still being worked out, so presumably that's why discussions are still continuing. They should have dropped it in the first place, but.....oh well, as long as it's dropped now.

It has now been made clear that they will need to 're-brand'.

....

The Mail understands that, amid what has been described as a 'complex' situation, the 'fine detail' is still being thrashed out.

However, it is understood the couple have accepted that, as part of their new working arrangements, they will not be able to use the Sussex Royal name as they had hoped.

[QueenMathilde]

I think at this point they could even just use "Harry and Meghan" and the same people would be knocking on their door. And it's better to completely untie themselves with the royal family publicly. I don't think they'll earn any less money.