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Old 01-13-2020, 06:00 AM
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They might. If they're allowed by the Queen and the other relevant players to do so. And frankly, that's a big if. Just as if I waltzed into the office one day and told my boss that I didn't like my job, didn't like the oversight, didn't like how the company was run but wanted to keep all of my perks and benefits and dictate to them how and when I was going to perform some aspects of my job. And I expect them to fall in line posthaste. That just simply wouldn't fly and I'd be out the door on my behind so fast it could give me whiplash. Harry and Meghan are already being given quite a bit of leeway in that those higher than them in the hierarchy are agreeing to hear them out and negotiate with them. So maybe they'll do what they have decided they'll do and maybe they won't, that would be up to the bosses and despite what they might think, they aren't the bosses.
The difference is that your boss can probably easily replace you, the RF cannot go out and hire another Royal prince to take Harry’s place.
Heck, when I told my employer I was retiring from my very stressful job a few months ago, they begged me to stay - they desperately needed people with my skills, but the work environment had become so toxic I wasn’t willing to stay no matter what they offered.
When William and Catherine first married they did not become senior Royals, instead they lived in Wales. Then their KP apartment was remodeled for them, they did not become senior Royals. Then the Queen gave them Anmer and William was a helicopter pilot, again delaying becoming a senior Royal. My point is that William and Catherine had years of not being senior Royals while being lavished with gifts (2 remodeled residences) and fully supported by Charles. I wasn’t bothered by the choices the Cambridges made to delay stepping up to the plate nor did I complain that his father and grandmother supported the couple despite their refusal to become full time working members of the firm. Thus, it doesn’t seem out of line to me that Harry and Meghan should likewise be supported by his father for a time even if they aren’t full time Royals.
I am astounded by some of the irrational fantasies I’ve been reading, imputing feelings and reactions to various members of the RF, for example, assuming the Sussexes are leaking things to the press or making threats and the like - none of these wild suppositions or claims of conspiracies appear to have any evidentiary foundation.
One thing I’ve learned is that with the Royals we may not know the ‘real’ behind the scenes story for decades, if ever. For example, I would have assumed that Phillip would have been livid at Diana, yet his letters show he was quite sympathetic to her. He may likewise have a similar sympathy for outsider Meghan and for his grandson Harry, particularly as Harry is being forced into a mold that doesn’t fit - after all, Phillip took a lengthy jaunt on the Britannia to get away from the pressures of his role - to the point that the press was questioning his and the Queen’s marriage.
We don’t know what discussions have already occurred, not that long ago the press was reporting that Harry and Meghan were going to be shipped to Africa because William and Catherine and the courtiers were concerned that the Sussexes were too popular. I didn’t believe those stories in the press based on their unnamed sources just as I don’t believe 90% of the click bait being pumped out now.
I find it very sad that there is so much malice directed at this couple based on such wild and factually unsupported conjecture and supposition.
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Old 01-13-2020, 06:01 AM
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After filing to trademark their global brand in Australia, Canada , the EU and the US, more threats from the Duke and the Duchess if they don’t get what they want.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-fa...g-accusations/
Last week an application to trademark 'Sussex Royal' was already made at EUIPO from Italy by a designer called Ui Phoenix Kerbl who lives in Bolzano. If it gets accepted it could mean a legal battle for the Duke and Duchess.

https://www.worldtrademarkreview.com...-meghan-markle
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Old 01-13-2020, 06:08 AM
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Today’s reporting in the only British newspaper some posters here believe in, the leftwing The Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...sussex-william

It includes a statement by the UK Home Secretary rejecting claims of media racism against the Duchess. It also links the previous report on the global trademarking of the Sussex Royal brand.
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Old 01-13-2020, 06:09 AM
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Are the Sussexes and William's friends really blabbing to the press or is the press making up friends to get the clicks. The threat to do the tell all looks like blackmail and that damages brand Sussexes going forward. The plans to step back TOGETHER as been in the works for months. The press is still pushing Meghan is a manipulator who drag Harry kicking and screaming along.
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Old 01-13-2020, 06:11 AM
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Last week an application to trademark 'Sussex Royal' was already made at EUIPO from Italy by a designer called Ui Phoenix Kerbl who lives in Bolzano. If it gets accepted it could mean a legal battle for the Duke and Duchess.

https://www.worldtrademarkreview.com...-meghan-markle
This article is a gold mine of information and really lays it out just *why* global trademarking is not only a legal protection but shows just how other people could aim to "cash in" on the Sussex coat tails. Brilliant!
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Old 01-13-2020, 06:15 AM
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This article is a gold mine of information and really lays it out just *why* global trademarking is not only a legal protection but shows just how other people could aim to "cash in" on the Sussex coat tails. Brilliant!
I doubt the Sussex were aware of that and filed for trademarking in the EU as a protective measure. They are pursuing trademarking in Australia, Canada, the EU, the US and the UK because they want to develop their brand commercially. Again, whether that is for profit or purely philanthropic is immaterial .
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Old 01-13-2020, 06:18 AM
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I very much doubt that 'the palace' and the Govt would run the risk of having a 'conference call' recorded.. either by the Duchess or by a 'third party'.. its simply too risky a proposition.

So I imagine the Duke will 'put their case' without any 'live' imput from Canada.
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Old 01-13-2020, 06:22 AM
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All of the trademark applications being discussed here can be looked up on wipo.org. It looks like the Sussexes themselves filed two, on December 31 and January 1. There's another one filed by someone else on January 9. H&M's applications might have been in response to rumors of someone else's plan to file, but they don't appear to have been in response to an actual filing.

Also, I really can't see trademarking their brand to provide "organising and conducting emotional support groups; counselling services; emotional support services" being a good idea. The Cambridge trademark doesn't include that.
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Old 01-13-2020, 06:23 AM
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I think it’s pretty apparent that Harry has no patience or interest in being ...”less important” than William in the grand scheme of things and that is at the root of his desire to “step away”. The Sussex Royal website apparently states that he and Meghan want to “collaborate with the Queen”, but never mind the issues with collaboration, this statement is hugely problematic. Sadly, the Queen won’t live forever. What will happen when Charles becomes king? Will Harry want to change the terms of the arrangement ? Even if not, when William becomes king the situation will become even more untenable. The website references the Queen, but it goes beyond her to the future of the Monarchy


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Not long before last week’s announcement, a source told me they were aware that simmering tensions were coming to the boil. “I’m trying to encourage the institution and their advisers to let both feel less trapped,” the source said. “I worry about Harry. There’s a lot of anger there.”

In the end, the royal institution didn’t move fast enough for the Sussexes. “There is a real feeling of ‘us against the world’ with Harry at the moment,” another source said. “It is a real shame that they are so divided now. What the royal family needs more than anything is unity.”

I am told there is still a firm conviction in the family that the brothers “will be there for each other” and the Prince of Wales continues to see Harry and Meghan as integral to his vision of a “slimmed-down” future monarchy.

However, a friend of the Duke of Sussex added: “Harry is so stubborn and determined. He’s in that frame of mind — ‘I’m standing my ground. I’m a man of conviction and we’ve been saying we’re not happy, so now we’re off.’ At some stage it will dawn on him what he’s giving up. He can’t possibly understand what he’s doing to his family. He’s always adored ‘Granny’, but the Queen will be really wounded by this.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...ince-2z5jh9h60
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Old 01-13-2020, 06:23 AM
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I very much doubt that 'the palace' and the Govt would run the risk of having a 'conference call' recorded.. either by the Duchess or by a 'third party'.. its simply too risky a proposition.

So I imagine the Duke will 'put their case' without any 'live' imput from Canada.
Correct me if I'm wrong here but in many books and even in many documents its been mentioned of "secure lines". I would imagine with the Head of State being at Sandringham, that estate would be equipped with a secure line. No?

ETA: with the rapid activity this thread generates, I really need to remember to always use the "quote" function.
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Old 01-13-2020, 06:32 AM
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Actually, there's some good in all this going on right now with the Sussexes. It gives a forum to express what we think, what we think we see and how things may go and it is an intelligent discussion. Its also been a good venue to learn more in depth about how things work with the BRF, the "Firm", their charities and patronages and just how they get their monies and how it is used. Its how I've learned a *lot* over the years and I knew practically nothing at all when I first logged on here as Iluvbertie can attest to. All things are connected.

The biggest shock to me, personally, is that with all this going on and avidly keeping track of it all, I've noticed a difference in myself. Finally I jump into the 21st century and actually purchase a refurbished laptop and by habit, I'm the type that would be like a little kid with a new toy. its been severely neglected as I'm not overly familiar yet with the keyboard. Go figure.

Keep calm and carry on!
I can relate to this since although I have followed the BRF since the 80’s and considered myself to be pretty knowledgeable until I came here. I was in awe of the knowledge that iluvbertie and others members have that I simply didn’t know about the BRF. I have learned a lot and continue to learn. I am so grateful for this forum where I can read, learn and share opinions with other Royally obsessed geeks like me.
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Old 01-13-2020, 06:46 AM
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Breaking: Joint statement this morning from William and Harry over reports of bullying.
‘Despite clear denials, a false story ran in a UK newspaper today speculating about the relationship between The Duke of Sussex and The Duke of Cambridge.
‘For brothers who care so deeply about the issues surrounding mental health, the use of inflammatory language in this way is offensive and potentially harmful.’
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It’s clear from my conversations this morning that BOTH brothers are deeply, deeply unhappy about suggestions that Harry feels he has been ‘bullied’ out of the Royal Family by William.
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Old 01-13-2020, 06:52 AM
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The Duke and Duchess of Sussex to Step Back as Senior Royals: January 2020

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I’m petty enough to openly say (not directed at anyone in particular), but I TOLD YOU SO.

Thank the lord for this announcement and Roya Nikkah should be ashamed of what she wrote for a BS article.
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Old 01-13-2020, 07:11 AM
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I think that statement says a lot about the ongoing coverage of these last few days. People having to constantly deny these clickbait lies by the press. But hey it got the brothers to agree on something.

Though interesting how quickly we get a statement of this nature when it involves certain royals. Kind of gives value to the fact they can and will counter a narrative if truly important to them.
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Old 01-13-2020, 07:14 AM
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I’m petty enough to openly say (not directed at anyone in particular), but I TOLD YOU SO.

Thank the lord for this announcement and Roya Nikkah should be ashamed of what she wrote for a BS article.
I didn’t believe it anyway, but the question begs to be answered, are all these stories just made up by the media or are they being fed from inside sources? This is such a circus at this point,
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Old 01-13-2020, 07:24 AM
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I thought it was the Tom Bradby they were denying. That was.qn appalling story which claimed everyone bullied Meghan amd Harry.
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Old 01-13-2020, 07:33 AM
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I think Harry and Meghan are wise to get trademark protection for a wide assortment of commercial ventures, even if those ventures (i.e., mental health counselling) are not on the table - and none of us knows what is on the table right now. The registrations protect them from someone else from opening a business using the name and fooling the public into thinking Harry and Meghan are involved.
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Old 01-13-2020, 07:48 AM
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I thought it was the Tom Bradby they were denying. That was.qn appalling story which claimed everyone bullied Meghan amd Harry.
Honestly, I didn't read the story but I wouldn't be surprised that it was made up out of whole cloth. The idea that the royal family is furious with Harry and Meghan for wanting to step back is really not very credible. William would not want to force Harry to be a full-time royal against Harry's wishes and Charles has always seemed loathed to force Harry and William to do things they don't want to do.

As has been pointed out, William was a part-time royal for years. Camilla has certainly struggled with being a member of the royal family (and has received a ton of negative media). I also think Charles, and even the Queen, would have chosen another life if it had been possible.

I doubt that Harry and Meghan are thinking of starting a new home shopping network. Other senior members of the family have run dignified commercial concerns. I acknowledge that, in the past, it has been the men men who marry into the family, but it is the 21st century.

It will be interesting to see what will be worked out but I cannot believe that Harry and Meghan will be given any consequences for the current situation. I also do not believe that either Harry or Meghan will keep Charles, William and the rest of the family from Archie. I'm sure that in time, it will all sort itself out.

With respect to the Queen and Prince Philip, i hope this has not been stressful for them. But even if it has, I think they would be the first to say that Harry and Meghan should live their own lives. If the Queen lives as long as her mother, it will be another 10 years. I don't think it is reasonable for them to wait that long if they are unhappy with the current situation.
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Old 01-13-2020, 07:54 AM
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That supposed statement was extremely badly written and vague. And it doesn't actually deny anything...I am not entirely sure why it was released.
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That supposed statement was extremely badly written and vague. And it doesn't actually deny anything...I am not entirely sure why it was released.
"Despite clear denials" are the first three words!
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