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Old 01-12-2020, 09:55 PM
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William and Kate have a line of stationary, shoes, clothing, etc.. using the Cambridge name? Charles sells Prince of Wales Pretzels, etc...?

I am not familiar with what how other Royals promote their names/titles, but one difference between them and M/H is that the latter want to be part-time Royals, picking and choosing the parts of that life that they want to accept or reject.
Prince Charles sells a number of products under the Duchy brand. The Cambridges TM's their 'brand' around the same time the Sussexes did and so far NEITHER of them have sold anything. So why are you so outraged about the Sussexes? Looks like selective outrage to me.

Go read the Sussex website. It's laid out quite clearly they will continue to do engagements for the Firm and support their patronages. There are several members of the family that work part time. They do their various engagements and then go on about the rest of their lives.

There is no reason in this day and age the working members of the family can't figure out new ways to do things. In the age of technology it's very easy to have meetings and keep in contact with whomever is needed. It doesn't have to be done like it's been done the past 50/100 years because it's always been that way. The Queen goes to Scotland several months a year but manages to keep in touch with what's going on. Canada (assuming that's the location) is a CW country and they can easily get where they need to be from there.


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Old 01-12-2020, 09:57 PM
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I keep seeing posters refer to what "they plan to do" in terms of their performance of duties to support or, in their words collaborate with, the Queen. However, what they plan to do and what they'll be allowed to do might be two very different things. Right now there's a strong public sentiment that they were disrespectful to the Queen and the institution of the monarchy and that won't be easily forgotten. It may be that the RF find it best to simply give them a settlement and be done with the "performing duties" part of it. It may be that they say they'll do them but when they find there's backlash they opt out of doing anymore. It may be that that was simply a bargaining chip and not something they ever really had any intention of doing. We simply don't know. But, given the behavior that's been displayed over quite a long period and culminating in their bombshell release, combined with the apparent public feeling about all this, I suspect that their "intention" may not be their reality when it's all said and done.
Agreed. I think he public will have long memories when it comes to how H and M have treated the Queen, Charles, and by extension Philip and William....Itís naive to think that, once this is settled, everyone will be happy and life will go on as if none of this happened. How will the public react if and when the Sussexes return ? I doubt it will be with unfettered joy.
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Old 01-12-2020, 09:57 PM
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Do you find it equally disrespectful that the Cambridges have done the same thing? Not to mention Charles and the Duchy etc?



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Let’s put it this way: Meghan and her North American advisers probably see the Duchy as the family business on the corner. Sussex Royal ,the global brand, can be so much more .

Again, it’s cuitural misunderstanding and lack of awareness that royalty is a pre-capitalist institution.
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Old 01-12-2020, 10:00 PM
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Who does? Mind pointing me to this store link because I wasn't aware of these stationaries and pretzels...
I was being facetious, but someone asked me what the difference is between what H and M propose to do (read the Guardian article) and what William, Kate and Charles are already doing. Harry and Meghan plan on branding their titles in several commercial venture (clothing, etc..)...I donít know to what extend the Cambridges and PoW promote their ďbrandĒ
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Old 01-12-2020, 10:00 PM
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William and Kate have a line of stationary, shoes, clothing, etc.. using the Cambridge name? Charles sells Prince of Wales Pretzels, etc...?

I am not familiar with what how other Royals promote their names/titles, but one difference between them and M/H is that the latter want to be part-time Royals, picking and choosing the parts of that life that they want to accept or reject.
Well... lets see here. The Royal Collection Trust as a collection is owned by Elizabeth II and overseen by the Royal Collection Trust. The Queen owns some of the collection in right of the Crown and some as a private individual. This is the entity that has well stocked "trademarked" gift shops and even an online website store. The profits help to maintain this collection. Notice too that the website says "Official Royal Gift Shop".

https://www.royalcollectionshop.co.uk

Waitrose Duchy Organics are also sold at an online store and as stated earlier, it was founded in 1990 by The Prince of Wales to not only promote his passion of sustainability but this "marketing" also puts profits into his Prince's Trust endeavors which helps so many different people.

https://www.waitrose.com/ecom/shop/b...s/organic_shop

Both the Queen and The Prince of Wales have not let these ventures detract from the job they're to do. Should Harry and Meghan go this route, its possible then that with it being tied to their foundation, they wish to take more time to work with it, establish it and lessen the "Firm" side of things and be "junior" rather than "senior". I don't know. None of us know. What this all does tell me is that "marketing" and "branding" isn't something new to the people that are trying to work all of this out with the Sussexes.

To quote Alice, things are really getting "curiouser and curiouser"
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Old 01-12-2020, 10:01 PM
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Would Prince William be able to claim that he is the baby's uncle?
Isn't the Queen really the one who has true custody of the Royal children? I heard something like that one time. Can someone clairify?
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Old 01-12-2020, 10:01 PM
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Letís put it this way: Meghan and her North American advisers probably see the Duchy as the family business on the corner. Sussex Royal ,the global brand, can be so much more .
Ok and so what? If people are going to be outraged at the Sussexes for selling something (which has not happened) or creating a brand then they need to be consistent with their outrage. This ain't nothing new in the family.


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I was being facetious, but someone asked me what the difference is between what H and M propose to do (read the Guardian article) and what William, Kate and Charles are already doing. Harry and Meghan plan on branding their titles in several commercial venture (clothing, etc..)...I donít know to what extend the Cambridges and PoW promote their ďbrandĒ
And the tabloids tell the truth right? You are making assumptions based on rumor and speculation. Their website says absolutely nothing like what you are saying...go read it. Sussexroyal.com

Go research what Charles does with the Duchy.


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Old 01-12-2020, 10:08 PM
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I keep seeing posters refer to what "they plan to do" in terms of their performance of duties to support or, in their words collaborate with, the Queen. However, what they plan to do and what they'll be allowed to do might be two very different things. Right now there's a strong public sentiment that they were disrespectful to the Queen and the institution of the monarchy and that won't be easily forgotten. It may be that the RF find it best to simply give them a settlement and be done with the "performing duties" part of it. It may be that they say they'll do them but when they find there's backlash they opt out of doing anymore. It may be that that was simply a bargaining chip and not something they ever really had any intention of doing. We simply don't know. But, given the behavior that's been displayed over quite a long period and culminating in their bombshell release, combined with the apparent public feeling about all this, I suspect that their "intention" may not be their reality when it's all said and done.
Or the will do what they say. Not sure where all "Meghan will never return" nonsense is coming from. As pointed her BFF Lindsay lives there. She has organizations there she is close to. This narrative doesn't even make sense. Seems more like a wish list to me.

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I was being facetious, but someone asked me what the difference is between what H and M propose to do (read the Guardian article) and what William, Kate and Charles are already doing. Harry and Meghan plan on branding their titles in several commercial venture (clothing, etc..)...I don’t know to what extend the Cambridges and PoW promote their “brand”
So was I...

Sussexes and Cambridges did the same thing in regard to trademark. No one has sold anything. No idea if they will. Just seems like selective outrage on what you assume will happen no matter if it does or not.
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Old 01-12-2020, 10:09 PM
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Prince Charles sells a number of products under the Duchy brand. The Cambridges TM's their 'brand' around the same time the Sussexes did and so far NEITHER of them have sold anything. So why are you so outraged about the Sussexes? Looks like selective outrage to me.

Go read the Sussex website. It's laid out quite clearly they will continue to do engagements for the Firm and support their patronages. There are several members of the family that work part time. They do their various engagements and then go on about the rest of their lives.

There is no reason in this day and age the working members of the family can't figure out new ways to do things. In the age of technology it's very easy to have meetings and keep in contact with whomever is needed. It doesn't have to be done like it's been done the past 50/100 years because it's always been that way. The Queen goes to Scotland several months a year but manages to keep in touch with what's going on. Canada (assuming that's the location) is a CW country and they can easily get where they need to be from there.


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I think the most likely business would be designer clothing made using environmentally sustainable materials, with some of the profits being donated to charities.
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Old 01-12-2020, 10:10 PM
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Prince Charles sells a number of products under the Duchy brand. The Cambridges TM's their 'brand' around the same time the Sussexes did and so far NEITHER of them have sold anything. So why are you so outraged about the Sussexes? Looks like selective outrage to me.

Go read the Sussex website. It's laid out quite clearly they will continue to do engagements for the Firm and support their patronages. There are several members of the family that work part time. They do their various engagements and then go on about the rest of their lives.

There is no reason in this day and age the working members of the family can't figure out new ways to do things. In the age of technology it's very easy to have meetings and keep in contact with whomever is needed. It doesn't have to be done like it's been done the past 50/100 years because it's always been that way. The Queen goes to Scotland several months a year but manages to keep in touch with what's going on. Canada (assuming that's the location) is a CW country and they can easily get where they need to be from there.


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Iíll look into the Prince Charles/Duchy and Cambridgeís branding - Iím now curious about that.

The problem about being part timers is less an issue than it is how theyíve gone about this. We know that the Queen and Charles were very happy to accommodate Harry and Meghan - they just wanted the process to quietly play out. The public isnít against the two needing separation if thatís what makes them happy. I think if these two hadnít jumped the gun, treating their family with such disrespect, that the public might not even care if Charles partially financed them or if they got some sort of security. You make excellent points...
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Old 01-12-2020, 10:11 PM
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I was being facetious, but someone asked me what the difference is between what H and M propose to do (read the Guardian article) and what William, Kate and Charles are already doing. Harry and Meghan plan on branding their titles in several commercial venture (clothing, etc..)...I donít know to what extend the Cambridges and PoW promote their ďbrandĒ
Actually, if you really look into it, Harry and Meghan are trademarking the name of their foundation. Sussex Royal. That is *not* their titles.
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She does. I do, too. But I can also assure you that if my only child was at the center of global chaos and clearly struggling I'd be there to support her. Job or no job, sometimes your kids, even as adults, have to come first. I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's only my opinion. But I'm allowed to have an opinion and to post it here. Doesn't mean others have to agree with it, doesn't mean I'm 100% right. Doesn't mean I'm 100% wrong, either, though. To me this just simply seems like one of those times that a bit of support and her mother's presence might be beneficial and appreciated. She might even be a good person to speak to all of this about when decisions are needing to be made or feelings are overflowing. I'm 100% positive that her mother wouldn't leak anything to the press and might be a voice of reason and experience. Yes, she doesn't have the type of global experience and worldwide public presence that the BRF does but she does have the benefit of years of experience and cooler heads being that she has no financial stake in any of this.
You absolutely have the right to state your opinion. Iím all about stating mine! Yes, you are right that as a mother she would want to comfort and support her daughter, but she doesnít have to be in the same Country to provide that comfort and support and Meghan may be just fine with that.
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Old 01-12-2020, 10:14 PM
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Well... lets see here. The Royal Collection Trust as a collection is owned by Elizabeth II and overseen by the Royal Collection Trust. The Queen owns some of the collection in right of the Crown and some as a private individual. This is the entity that has well stocked "trademarked" gift shops and even an online website store. The profits help to maintain this collection. Notice too that the website says "Official Royal Gift Shop".

https://www.royalcollectionshop.co.uk

Waitrose Duchy Organics are also sold at an online store and as stated earlier, it was founded in 1990 by The Prince of Wales to not only promote his passion of sustainability but this "marketing" also puts profits into his Prince's Trust endeavors which helps so many different people.

https://www.waitrose.com/ecom/shop/b...s/organic_shop

Both the Queen and The Prince of Wales have not let these ventures detract from the job they're to do. Should Harry and Meghan go this route, its possible then that with it being tied to their foundation, they wish to take more time to work with it, establish it and lessen the "Firm" side of things and be "junior" rather than "senior". I don't know. None of us know. What this all does tell me is that "marketing" and "branding" isn't something new to the people that are trying to work all of this out with the Sussexes.

To quote Alice, things are really getting "curiouser and curiouser"
Thanks for this - very interesting ! So, are H and M intending for any profits they make to be directed towards their foundations, etc...?
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Old 01-12-2020, 10:18 PM
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Thanks for this - very interesting ! So, are H and M intending for any profits they make to be directed towards their foundations, etc...?
*That* is the big question and the fly in the ointment at this time. We just don't know. There's a whole lot of assuming and supposing and theories coming from left field in a galaxy far, far away and the truth still remains that *no one knows*.
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Old 01-12-2020, 10:18 PM
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Well... lets see here. The Royal Collection Trust as a collection is owned by Elizabeth II and overseen by the Royal Collection Trust. The Queen owns some of the collection in right of the Crown and some as a private individual. This is the entity that has well stocked "trademarked" gift shops and even an online website store. The profits help to maintain this collection. Notice too that the website says "Official Royal Gift Shop".

https://www.royalcollectionshop.co.uk

Waitrose Duchy Organics also has an online store and as stated earlier, it was founded in 1990 by The Prince of Wales to not only promote his passion of sustainability but this "marketing" also puts profits into his Prince's Trust endeavors which helps so many different people.

https://www.waitrose.com/ecom/shop/b...s/organic_shop

Both the Queen and The Prince of Wales have not let these ventures detract from the job they're to do. Should Harry and Meghan go this route, its possible then that with it being tied to their foundation, they wish to take more time to work with it, establish it and lessen the "Firm" side of things and be "junior" rather than "senior". I don't know. None of us know. What this all does tell me is that "marketing" and "branding" isn't something new to the people that are trying to work all of this out with the Sussexes.

To quote Alice, things are really getting "curiouser and curiouser"
Sorry, but you are comparing apples and oranges. The Royal Collection Trust is a National Heritage foundation. It sells gifts just like the Louvre or the Vatican Museums. And Elizabeth II does not own it or even run it. She holds it in trust for the benefit of the nation , and not for whatever project she may personally consider “ progressive “ or worth supporting .

As for the Duchy of Cornwall, it is run not unlike the Queen’s private estates or most estates of old landed families of the British nobiity. In other words, they are basically property management companies that lease land and are also involved in commercial farming/agriculture. That is what their social class has been doing in Britain long before the industrial revolution.

Sussex Royal is an attempt , on the other hand, to turn the royal brand into a multinational, 21st century North American celebrity style business, complete even with self-help courses. The mindset behind it is very clear to me and completely different from all the examples you gave.
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Old 01-12-2020, 10:19 PM
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Iíll look into the Prince Charles/Duchy and Cambridgeís branding - Iím now curious about that.

The problem about being part timers is less an issue than it is how theyíve gone about this. We know that the Queen and Charles were very happy to accommodate Harry and Meghan - they just wanted the process to quietly play out. The public isnít against the two needing separation if thatís what makes them happy. I think if these two hadnít jumped the gun, treating their family with such disrespect, that the public might not even care if Charles partially financed them or if they got some sort of security. You make excellent points...

Links were posted in a thread on the previous page about the Duchy and The Queen's brands. I think by Osipi.


Charles is going to do what most parents do and try to help their kids be successful. He of course has some things he has to work around the average parent doesn't. He's going to ensure they both are taken care of financially when he's no longer around.
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Old 01-12-2020, 10:20 PM
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Actually, if you really look into it, Harry and Meghan are trademarking the name of their foundation. Sussex Royal. That is *not* their titles.
True..oops !
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Old 01-12-2020, 10:21 PM
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Sussex Royal is an attempt , on the other hand, to turn the royal brand into a 21st century North American celebrity style business, complete even with self-help courses. The mindset behind it is very clear to me and completely different from all the examples you gave.
Clear to you based on what? I don't recall any of that stated on their website.



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Old 01-12-2020, 10:24 PM
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*That* is the big question and the fly in the ointment at this time. We just don't know. There's a whole lot of assuming and supposing and theories coming from left field in a galaxy far, far away and the truth still remains that *no one knows*.
Well we may find out soon because Iím sure everyone will be laying all their cards on the table tomorrow.....a nice game of War, lol
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Links were posted in a thread on the previous page about the Duchy and The Queen's brands. I think by Osipi.


Charles is going to do what most parents do and try to help their kids be successful. He of course has some things he has to work around the average parent doesn't. He's going to ensure they both are taken care of financially when he's no longer around.
Of course, I know Charles will do whatís best for them. I hope that if it turns out that he gives more than the public would like, that they will understand his motivations
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