The Duke and Duchess of Sussex to Step Back as Senior Royals: January 2020

[Elenath]

Not sure if this has been posted.

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebr...-down-details/

I also wonder how all members of the press tend to work with Harry and Meghan in the future. I am absolutely certain Harry and Meghan will continue to work for the Firm and these extremely bitchy articles only confirm what has been happening from the start. They confirm what H&M have complained about. Do these members of the press really think they'll get access?

[sndral]

Originally Posted by ladongas

I believe the accusation was that there was racism in the households; courtiers, servants, and other staff would be more likely than members of the family.

Members of the family except Princess Michael? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/fashion/...st-blackamoor/
And Prince Andrew? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-fa...lete-disgrace/ https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/201...t-comment-news
And Prince Phillip? https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/nitv-new...acist-comments
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/op...082226234.html

[Fem]

Originally Posted by Elenath

Not sure if this has been posted.

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebr...-down-details/

I also wonder how all members of the press tend to work with Harry and Meghan in the future. I am absolutely certain Harry and Meghan will continue to work for the Firm and these extremely bitchy articles only confirm what has been happening from the start. They confirm what H&M have complained about. Do these members of the press really think they'll get access?

Lord, seriously, I get that the general press is making a mess with titles, because they don't know better, but Omid Scobie considers himself a royal reporter yet this article begins with "Prince Harry and Duchess Meghan's (...)", so I pretty much decided to stop reading after that.

But TBH, I'm quite worried about a possibility of another tell-all interview. It's BRF, please show me one interview that ended well. Not in the past and not recently. Why this couldn't be solved another way than this..? Was it really impossible to try to negotiate with HMQ and Prince Charles without going public? I just want to know what's going on in everyone's head right now.

[Helen.CH]

Originally Posted by Alison H

Viscount Linley, also the grandson of a monarch, opened a furniture shop. You don't need a university degree in order to be able to pursue a career.

Thank you.
No of course one does not need a degree but one needs to work,
which the Sussex do not intend to.

[Mbruno]

Going back to the issue of security, could anyone please describe how law enforcement operates in Canada ? For example, are police services under the jurisdiction of the federal government or the provincial governments ?

More specifically , what I want to know is who would pay for Harry and Meghan’s security assuming they lived for example in Toronto and the Canadian police were responsible for it. Would it be the federal government of Canada or the government of the province of Ontario ?

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by Zaira

I think it was clearly in jest and I didn't read any discomfort.

Also, I thought that by this point the deal had already been signed so...Disney was already giving money to their wild life charity... that was the whole point in them attending the premiere and Meghan had already agreed to the voice over work too.

It seems very unlikely that Meghan had already agreed to the voice over work. Harry first tells Disney's CEO that Meghan does voice-overs (not did (which would be an indication of her former job, but does - even though she is no longer an actress) and after finding out that the CEO didn't know says "She is really interested". That doesn't sound like a done deal. Of course, they already had some kind of deal and understanding as to their collaboration (as Disney promised to donate money to H&M's foundation to be (specifically not to the wildlife initiatives by The Royal Foundation, i.e. William's work in that area)) but this seems to be Harry trying to move the collaboration to the next level by offering Meghan's services (so this must have been preplanned by the two of them).

[hel]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

Going back to the issue of security, could anyone please describe how law enforcement operates in Canada ? For example, are police services under the jurisdiction of the federal government or the provincial governments ?

More specifically , what I want to know is who would pay for Harry and Meghan’s security assuming they lived for example in Toronto and the Canadian police were responsible for it. Would it be the federal government of Canada or the government of the province of Ontario ?

As with many things, there are three levels of police in Canada: federal, provincial, and municipal.

At the municipal level, larger cities will have their own police forces (Toronto Police Services, for example).

Two provinces have their own provincial police forces, Ontario and Quebec. The OPP provides provincial policing as well as policing for small municipalities. They also provide a co-ordinating role in cross-jurisdictional investigations.

At the federal level, we have the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. In addition to providing federal-level policing, they provide the provincial police in several provinces and policing at several international airports.

Crucially, and to your point, they also provide the RCMP Protective Policing Service, which provides security details for protected persons.

[Nico]

Originally Posted by sndral

Members of the family except Princess Michael? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/fashion/...st-blackamoor/
And Prince Andrew? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-fa...lete-disgrace/ https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/201...t-comment-news
And Prince Phillip? https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/nitv-new...acist-comments
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/op...082226234.html

You forgot this in your pretty little inventory : from the Royal collections
https://www.rct.uk/collection/search...0/mantel-clock

So yeah they are all a sad bunch of bloody racists.
Meghan is a victim.
Her contardictors are, also, by extension, racists.
Case closed. Everyone can sleep now.
Wouhou !

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by Erin9

Agreed- It seems unlikely anyone in KP wanted this leaked. For sure William and Kate did not. It didn’t benefit them at all for this mess to become public before decisions were finalized. It’s not their way anyway. It’s possible some advisor leaked this- but it seems less likely. Especially when you take into account what happened after the leak.

It makes way more sense for someone on the Sussex side to have leaked this. And look at their response: they announced with no notice to the family they were doing this.

There was no effort to work with the family. People can say they “had” to announce due to the leak. I don’t agree, but even if you accept that premise- nothing explains not acting WITH the family in making the statement. They blindsided them instead. (…)

I still don't know what exactly was leaked: just the general thought that H&M were looking into a different approach that might include living part of the year outside of Britain? Or was their detailed plan (as explained on their website) about to be leaked?

[Lady Daly]

Charles will fly back from the Gulf nation of Oman, where he was attending a condolence ceremony Sunday following the death of Sultan Qaboos bin Said. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...4a1_story.html. I was wondering how Prince Charles was going to pay respects in Oman and attend the Monday meetings, a bit of a rough schedule. Despite my really wanting this to work out for the Harry and Megan, they were pretty selfish in the way they went about the process of "stepping down".

[Hallo girl]

Originally Posted by Fem

Lord, seriously, I get that the general press is making a mess with titles, because they don't know better, but Omid Scobie considers himself a royal reporter yet this article begins with "Prince Harry and Duchess Meghan's (...)", so I pretty much decided to stop reading after that.

But TBH, I'm quite worried about a possibility of another tell-all interview. It's BRF, please show me one interview that ended well. Not in the past and not recently. Why this couldn't be solved another way than this..? Was it really impossible to try to negotiate with HMQ and Prince Charles without going public? I just want to know what's going on in everyone's head right now.

They are using it as leverage to try and get a better deal. I am so shocked that Harry is going down this route of point scoring. He has lost the public on this one. I really do believe if they had just announced a step back either for 1 year or permanent, everything would have been fine. What is going against them is the obvious planning, plus expecting the perks of the job that they will no longer be doing.

Originally Posted by Somebody

I still don't know what exactly was leaked? Just the general thought that H&M were looking into a different approach that might include living part of the year outside of Britain? Or was their detailed plan (as explained on their website) about to be leaked?

I didn't read the Sun article but from what I have gathered it appeared to suggest that H & M wanted to step down from royal duties. I do not know how detailed an article it was, but later that day they issued the statement and downloaded the website.

[Tatiana Maria]

Originally Posted by Somebody

I still don't know what exactly was leaked? Just the general thought that H&M were looking into a different approach that might include living part of the year outside of Britain? Or was their detailed plan (as explained on their website) about to be leaked?

The "leak" was the following article, published by The Sun the day before the couple made their announcement:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/106934...ove-to-canada/

It begins with:

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are looking to move to Canada for a significant portion of this year as they actively consider their future role in the Royal Family.

Long-term options being floated include the Sussexes relinquishing their HRH titles or relocating their office to Canada.

The Sun has learned they will start discussing their plans with senior royals – expected to include the Queen and Prince Charles – in the coming days.

But sources stressed the talks are preliminary and nothing has yet been finalised.

[...]

and then quotes further details (ETA: not of their specific plans, but arguments in support of the move) from anonymous "friends of the couple".

[Hallo girl]

Originally Posted by Nico

I don't see jealousy from other members of the BRF, but surely i see maybe exasperation from members who spent ages playing by the rules and see the Sussexes basically doing what they want. It's not envy it's a reaction to a situation profoundly unfair to the other members of the BRF and sureley judged as selfish compared to the usual "team" spirit of the Firm.
Again we can judge the Monarchy as an old intitution, out of touch with bygone rules. It's probably not wrong but again changing takes time and reflection and above all it has to come from the top.
Who do the Sussexes think they are by declaring themselves reformer of the Monarchy ? It's not their role to try to unilaterally modernize the Monarchy, it's their role to SUPPORT the head of the House who will eventually try to changes things.

Last night i rewatched the interview with Kenneth Harris of the Duke and Duchess of Windsor. It's amazing how history is eerily repeating itself.

He thought he could step down from being king , marry Wallis, then just come back and live here.

He under estimated his sister in law, it didnt happen.

[Helen.CH]

Originally Posted by Nico

You forgot this in your pretty little inventory : from the Royal collections
https://www.rct.uk/collection/search...0/mantel-clock

So yeah they are all a sad bunch of bloody racists.
Meghan is a victim.
Her contardictors are, also, by extension, racists.
Case closed. Everyone can sleep now.
Wouhou !

Inhave not read all these articles mentioned above but Harry himself has no right to complain he once wore a Nazi-uniform what shall all the jews say?
Ridiculous to talk about racism from this point of view.
After all the RF hardly has born british blood, they are Germans to a very high percentage tüif really looked at. LOL

[Betsypaige]

Originally Posted by Hallo girl

They are using it as leverage to try and get a better deal. I am so shocked that Harry is going down this route of point scoring. He has lost the public on this one. I really do believe if they had just announced a step back either for 1 year or permanent, everything would have been fine. What is going against them is the obvious planning, plus expecting the perks of the job that they will no longer be doing.

It’s no way to treat your father or grandmother...this isn’t Harry at all; I really think it’s Meghan’s influence

Originally Posted by Hallo girl

He thought he could step down from being king , marry Wallis, then just come back and live here.

He under estimated his sister in law, it didnt happen.

No one wanted him. He was a Nazi sympathizing ne’er do well...

[Blog Real]

Furious Prince Philip said ‘What the hell are they playing at?’ after Harry and Meghan decided to quit the Royal Family.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/107196...mpression=true

[Helen.CH]

Originally Posted by Hallo girl

He thought he could step down from being king , marry Wallis, then just come back and live here.

He under estimated his sister in law, it didnt happen.

But he was once King, Harry has no important role ;
though enough to make trouble if they don't stop him.
So these two cannot be compared and remember Wallis stayed with Him,
if Meghan will?

Originally Posted by Mbruno

Going back to the issue of security, could anyone please describe how law enforcement operates in Canada ? For example, are police services under the jurisdiction of the federal government or the provincial governments ?

More specifically , what I want to know is who would pay for Harry and Meghan’s security assuming they lived for example in Toronto and the Canadian police were responsible for it. Would it be the federal government of Canada or the government of the province of Ontario ?

This has already been discussed widely, if you go back some pages it is to be found.

[sndral]

Originally Posted by Nico

You forgot this in your pretty little inventory : from the Royal collections
https://www.rct.uk/collection/search...0/mantel-clock

So yeah they are all a sad bunch of bloody racists.
Meghan is a victim.
Her contardictors are, also, by extension, racists.
Case closed. Everyone can sleep now.
Wouhou !

Not sure what ‘contardictors’ are???
I’ve reread my post & I made no reference to Meghan whatsoever - not sure why you assumed I was labeling her a victim. Nor did I label ‘all...bloody racists’ - no need to set up a straw man argument to obfuscate the fact that Phillip and Andrew have been accused of uttering offensive racist comments long before Harry met Meghan.
And no need to to be condescending, labeling my listing of sources for the quotations as a ‘pretty little inventory.’ I try to treat all posters with respect and I would appreciate the same courtesy.
I certainly hope that most members of the RF are not racist or bigoted, but there is evidence that some are...insensitive.

[Missjersey]

Originally Posted by Hallo girl

They are using it as leverage to try and get a better deal. I am so shocked that Harry is going down this route of point scoring. He has lost the public on this one. I really do believe if they had just announced a step back either for 1 year or permanent, everything would have been fine. What is going against them is the obvious planning, plus expecting the perks of the job that they will no longer be doing.

Very underhanded. Greed is an amazing thing to see. Has he always been like this, perhaps. I’m not a fan of her by any means but we wouldn’t be discussing any of this if he weren’t “all in”. She might have loaded the gun but his fingers pulled the trigger on this. Very ugly.

Never thought she respected the Queen. IMO she was too busy cozying up coyly to the POW.

[Lady Daly]

How did Harry, a member of the royal family growing up in Great Britain not anticipate that marrying a biracial woman was not going to be problematic. Hind sight 20/20 could anything have been done to prevent the current situation the Sussexes feel they are in? Probably not. Obvious their problems go beyond racism. It appears narcissism has been offered up as well. Good luck tomorrow, I truly hope for the best for everyone involved!