The Duke and Duchess of Sussex to Step Back as Senior Royals: January 2020

[Pranter]

Originally Posted by O-H Anglophile

I do not believe that-it makes no sense. It sounds like it is a Harry-Meghan fan/apologist.

No idea...my friend just told me about seeing it. It wasn't a royal news thing just their local evening news.


LaRae

[US Royal Watcher]

Originally Posted by Madame Verseau

Harry is supposed to be in crisis talks with the queen, Charles and William over this . Those three better tread carefully how they handle this. The BRF took a hit because of the perception of protecting Andrew - and his choices were worse. If they decide to destroy the Sussexes, or order Harry and Meghan to divorce the backlash would be huge. While many are laying the blame on the Sussexes an equal number blame the media nastiness and the Windsors' lack of protection. Yes Harry was told by BP not to go public but the Sun leaked the story (and online fingers are pointing at KP). This needs to be worked out to satisfy all parties involved. Madame Tussard took Harry and Meghan's wax figures from the royal display ( dumb move given nothing has been finalized).

Can you explain why you think that the royal family has treated Harry and Meghan so badly that you also assume that it is possible that they would try to destroy them or order Harry and Meghan to divorce. I don't see anything in either the Queen or Charles' past behavior that justifies that assumption but I'm interested to know why you think they may.

[Betsypaige]

Originally Posted by Missjersey

JMO if I can add to that...often thought Harry had a chip on his shoulder because of his festering grief and anger over his mum. I think perhaps he blames his grandmother and father for the way HE feels she was treated by them. He’s callous behind that smile as he’s proving now, Meghan just makes him feel empowered imo

I hope not - Charles did the best he could to raise those boys; he loves them so much. I can’t imagine Harry deliberately going out of his way to hurt him....or anyone else, really. Yet, he’s doing just that...

[O-H Anglophile]

Originally Posted by Greyhead

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have never deserved the unwanted attention/abuse they have received. I must add that, the abuse/criticism/comments were made in the newspapers and by supposedly elected officials, not by the majority of the UK general public.

It is without any doubt a huge loss to our Royal Family and it’s future, Prince Harry is the most popular Royal, and as stated above was the “bridge” between normal people and entitled.

Of course it will fly, that’s why they did it as they did, to stop any involvement/announcements from the Palace/Press that were not true, good on you both!

The Queen is the most popular Royal. And Harry killed a huge amount of good will yesterday, The good will of those “normal” people.

I don’t believe the Sussexes will get from the BRF and the UK what they proposed. I’m not sure what they actually want, but this half-baked “plan” has really rubbed folks the wrong way.

[US Royal Watcher]

Originally Posted by tausi

What desperation while they were in 6 week break? let's be really!!! It's pure Greed! All about money and fame for her.

She put her plan in motion and left. She knew Harry will probably listen to his family if he went alone.

Sometimes, when people are so unhappy and burned out, they can't face going back for any length of time. I agree that Harry and Meghan have not handled this well, but I am sympathetic to them since it is obvious that she has been very, very unhappy. Sometimes you have to put yourself first.

I think it would have far more constructive if Harry had come back alone and given the (true) explanation that Meghan is not feeling well. That would have given him time to have a heart-to-heart with his father. Once they understood how serious it was, I'm sure the family would have helped Harry work out a more graceful exit with the goal of protecting Harry and his family.

[duchesschicana]

Originally Posted by Princess B

I get the feeling that Meghan is using Archie as a bargaining tool with the firm and that is why he was left in Canada.

Who has custody of Archie? The queen or parents?

HM has legal custody of her grandchildren and it extends to great grandchildren (I think?)as long as they are minors. HM could in theory call for Archie to come to the UK because she has the legal rights plus Canada is a commonwealth country, but I doubt she would. I could be wrong though.

Edit: supposdly the act has no legal bearings who knows

[Betsypaige]

Originally Posted by Nico

The informations are still contradictory :

"Yes, the Prince of Wales has made clear that he wants a streamlined monarchy in the future, but Harry has always been told that he and Archie, as heirs to the throne, are part of that"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nce-plans.html

That is simultaneously the worst and saddest article I’ve ever read - and it makes me furious. Harry and Meghan are immature, jealous brats. To be triggered by a lovely family photo? As if his father and grandmother don’t deeply love him ? Them? Jealous probably of his little nephew ?

I was annoyed when they chose to spend Christmas away from Sandringham -who knows how much longer his grandparents have, and they’d already spent Thanksgiving with Doria. I said it before - Harry has chosen Meghan over his own family. Charles and the Queen did their best to make her feel welcome, but I guess it wasn’t enough - nothing would have been enough.

The Sussexes are coming across as cold, nasty, calculating, vindictive. My heart breaks especially for Charles - it is his son, after all - and of course the Queen...William, the rest of the BRF...and even the public. This is not the warm, funny little boy they took to their hearts and watched grow up.

I think the BRF will be fine, they’ll emerge better off than H and M...but it will be a much sadder family.

[Spheno]

Originally Posted by Princess B

I get the feeling that Meghan is using Archie as a bargaining tool with the firm and that is why he was left in Canada.

Who has custody of Archie? The queen or parents?

it's a gray area. it wasn't never officially announced.

[Hallo girl]

I question if the media has caused this, simply as it would appear there have been plans in place for months. The stories of American agents, house hunting in America, all knocked back as media bullying. Are we all so sure.
The British public are blaming Meghan, it is looking like her plan was always to raise her profile and marrying Harry did that. She just didn't realise that she would be restricted within the firm, so she wants out and of course He will go with her , he loves her.
Even the interview after the Africa tour, planted the seed about how unhappy they were, her best performance.
It is sad, remember the wedding the British public loved them. Not now, they are happy for them to go, but they need to pay their own way.

It is not that they want them to go, but if that is what they want, so be it, but they have disrespected the queen.

Everything they do ends up in drama.

[Zaira]

Originally Posted by O-H Anglophile

The Queen is the most popular Royal. And Harry killed a huge amount of good will yesterday, The good will of those “normal” people.

I don’t believe the Sussexes will get from the BRF and the UK what they proposed. I’m not sure what they actually want, but this half-baked “plan” has really rubbed folks the wrong way.

Ive actually seen a lot of people be very understanding of this move in the UK including my many friends and family there.

This forum and many of its posters have struggled with recognizing the demage and pain the racist smear campaign against Meghan has wrought. Many posters have tried to discuss this only to be gaslight and shot down.

Again, its all just tragic. Mistakes were made on both sides. Monumental mistakes. One side out of a refusal to see that the stakes were different with Harry and Meg than past couples; another side out fear or desperation and pain. A toxic combo all around.

I am sad but not surprised to see the vitriol many are spewing at this couple here. More of the same. Lots of folks believing lock, stock and barrel whatever line the "palace' (or supposed palace) and the British Media, a culpable party in this mess, is trotting out--despite the fact that said headlines and "exclusives" literally change by the minute. First the Queen knew nothing. Oh well she knew something but not REALLY. Oh well now these talks have been going on for months! Oh but actually the Queen knew everything and actually forced Harry and Meg out. One moment Harry was triggered by a photo, the next we are told he was central to the future of the family. Next we are told something different. Harry has shown time and again he is devoted to his family and perfectly understands his role. But that narrative doesn't fit the petulant prince one that many in the press want to cement to justify their campaign.

Seriously folks, lets just call a spade a spade. Everyone is digging in to their respective camps and believing the worst angels of which ever party is on "the other" side. I am not discounting myself from that charge to be clear.

The actual truth is likely more in the middle than anything.

Harry is a deeply beloved figure. Always has been despite the wishes of many when he dared to marry Meghan. Some will turn on him now, as we see in this forum and among some royal watchers. Many still will understand. Most will simply shrug and hope for the best and live their lives. Meghan will remain the bogeyman no matter what she does. But the majority of people in the UK are NOT rabid royal watchers like us and their understanding is going to be different than folks in our royal watching circle.

If the BRF is smart (and I question their wisdom), they will try to salvage this situation and find a way to bring Harry and Meg back in the fold. If Harry and Meghan are smart, they will find a way to serve the Queen as their priority.

All in all, its personally been a sad week as a devoted royal watcher for me

[HRHHermione]

Originally Posted by Spheno

it's a gray area. it wasn't never officially announced.

It’s not a grey area. His parents have custody of him. There is zero precedent for anything else.

[royal-blue]

Prince & Princess Michael as well as Beatrice & Eugenie, plus to a much lesser extent the Duchess of Kent are all royal but are free to live the lives of non working royals, although obviously none are as famous as the Sussexes.

If H&M had announced at the time of marriage their intention to live private lives in Canada then people would have accepted this.

[Hallo girl]

It is sad, but the signs were there but if anybody dared to say anything they were shot down called horrible names that we should for one minute question Meghans motive or action.
I am struggling to believe that every single person who ever said or wrote something negative either in newsprint ir SM has had an ulterior nasty agenda.

[Gawin]

Originally Posted by Betsypaige

That is simultaneously the worst and saddest article I’ve ever read - and it makes me furious. Harry and Meghan are immature, jealous brats. To be triggered by a lovely family photo? As if his father and grandmother don’t deeply love him ? Them? Jealous probably of his little nephew ?

I was annoyed when they chose to spend Christmas away from Sandringham -who knows how much longer his grandparents have, and they’d already spent Thanksgiving with Doria. I said it before - Harry has chosen Meghan over his own family. Charles and the Queen did their best to make her feel welcome, but I guess it wasn’t enough - nothing would have been enough.

The Sussexes are coming across as cold, nasty, calculating, vindictive. My heart breaks especially for Charles - it is his son, after all - and of course the Queen...William, the rest of the BRF...and even the public. This is not the warm, funny little boy they took to their hearts and watched grow up.

I think the BRF will be fine, they’ll emerge better off than H and M...but it will be a much sadder family.

Don't believe everything you read in the Daily Mail or any other tabloid. They aim for sensationalism not accuracy.

[Spheno]

Originally Posted by HRHHermione

It’s not a grey area. His parents have custody of him. There is zero precedent for anything else.

Prove it
Your sources?

[evolvingdoors]

Reading through their idiotic finance section and the talks about what imo is essentially selling themselves out for money - influencer style -made me remember the foundation panel they all did together and the question about disagreements and if it was resolved (with Harry or William asking “is it” resolved- I remember we all went “mmm odd and awkward). I wonder if this is part of the reason for the split from the foundation: Meghan wanted to merch (as a friend says) and make money that way and William put his foot down vetoing the **** out of it (because this is not how royalty operates) and Harry got annoyned Meghan stupid idea was not being accepted and...


Second thing, about earning money via merching. And this is pure night shift speculation on my part so humor me: There is a website that is dedicated to Meghan’s outfits, they have long admitted to having a mutual friend with Jessica. It has been theorized that the girls running the site were doing so with Meghan and/or Jessica full approval potentionally making money off of it, as they have been able to upload info about Meghan outfits often within mere minutes after Meghan is seen in it. I’m indulging in crazy theory, but given recent tantrum i can’t help but wonder if there has been truth to this theory/hunch I have seen being floated around in many Brf boards online.

[Hallo girl]

It tells us that she had no intention of staying, all the talk about back to work when they visited Canada house was misleading. She has left the country.

[Mirabel]

Originally Posted by Somebody

I truly wish Charles and William lots of wisdom in negotiating something that will protect the firm from the worst.

That smacks of extortion. I hope Charles stands fast and doesn't give them a penny.

I hope they are forced to give up their titles so they can't commercialize the royal Sussex brand.
And then Charles and the Queen can kick them to the curb and forbid any royal funding.

[Pranter]

Originally Posted by Hallo girl

It tells us that she had no intention of staying, all the talk about back to work when they visited Canada house was misleading. She has left the country.

Their written intentions tell us they aren't leaving permanently, that they want to still work in the UK on various engagements.

Nothing said to CH was misleading.


LaRae

[COUNTESS]

[QUOTE=Parrothead;2279376]I just saw this and was about to post it. I’m not sure what to think about it, but the fact they say to become “financially independent” struck me as odd. Sounds like they’re wanting to commercialize all things Sussex related which just makes me


They are Independently wealthy, now. Meghan is worth a great deal of money and Harry inherited a very large sum of money from his Mother, they don't need to cash in on anything.