The Royal Forums Coat of Arms


Join The Royal Forums Today
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #541  
Old 01-09-2020, 09:40 AM
Zonk's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere in, United States
Posts: 12,973
As I stated before, Harry has felt this was for a long time. I think the royal life was one of the reasons (obviously love and timing was another) that Chelsy and Cressida didn't work out.

I just thought he would never do it because in essence he would be leaving William to forge ahead by himself. Or if he did it would be long after George finished college or something. Not now.

And Muhler, Pranter is correct iMO. I have been around a long time and while all royal brides....Diana, Sarah, Sophie, Camilla and Kate have not had an easy entry...this was over the top. She didn't hold Archie the way normally people do, 4 article and tons of bullying on SM, wears black nail polish, crosses her legs in pictures, glances at Harry during a Remembrance ceremony moves closer and all of a sudden its an article. And let's not talk about all of the stories that were unanswered (she dated so and so, she was looking for a British husband, etc.). Or that nasty documentary (where Katie Hopkins and her sister talk about her) before she had Archie. She has not had an easy time of it to be sure. I am confident that that is playing a factor in this decision.

The truest thing she ever said was "I knew their would be interest and a lot of coverage but she thought it would be fair" and its not to be honest. It's not. Even yesterday, the Daily Mail printed inaccuracies about the renovation regarding the Frogmore cottage. Ones that are specifically mentioned in the lawsuit!
__________________

__________________
.

  #542  
Old 01-09-2020, 09:41 AM
Pranter's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 12,310
Quote:
Originally Posted by ACO View Post
Well that is hardly surprising. I think a lot in people in the coming days, weeks, and months will blame everything on Meghan. Harry is a grown man. He was said to have wanted out long before Meghan was even in his life but of course it is always the woman.

Though I did have a chuckle at one man trying to put 100% blame on Meghan and then when asked to give an example of how she is a manipulative woman the man just fumbled all over himself.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...-give-example/

You gotta laugh.


LaRae
__________________

  #543  
Old 01-09-2020, 09:44 AM
Claire's Avatar
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: London, United Kingdom
Posts: 1,556
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zonk View Post
As I stated before, Harry has felt this was for a long time. I think the royal life was one of the reasons (obviously love and timing was another) was one of the reasons that Chelsy and Cressida didn't work out.

I just thought he would never do it because in essence he would be leaving William to forge ahead by himself. Or if he did it would be long after George finished college or something. Not now.

And Muhler, Pranter is correct iMO. I have been around a long time and while all royal brides....Diana, Sarah, Sophie, Camilla and Kate have not had an easy entry...this was over the top. She didn't hold Archie the way normally people do, 4 article and tons of bullying on SM, wears black nail polish, crosses her legs in pictures, glances at Harry during a Remembrance ceremony moves closer and all of a sudden its an article. And let's not talk about all of the stories that were unanswered (she dated so and so, she was looking for a British husband, etc.). Or that nasty documentary (where Katie Hopkins and her sister talk about her) before she had Archie. She has not had an easy time of it to be sure. I am confident that that is playing a factor in this decision.

The truest thing she ever said was "I knew their would be interest and a lot of coverage but she thought it would be fair" and its not to be honest. It's not. Even yesterday, the Daily Mail printed inaccuracies about the renovation regarding the Frogmore cottage.
Just a thought - how much of it is due to Social media and the new way of news reporting worldwide?
  #544  
Old 01-09-2020, 09:45 AM
Pranter's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 12,310
Quote:
Originally Posted by Muhler View Post
I believe I did mention that. And dismissed it as silly - as I believe most people who read anything but the tabloids does.
Such ludicrous examples can be found about almost every royal in existence.

I'm talking of the press coverage as a whole. And I don't recall the BBC or the Times mentioning avocados.

Have you actually seen how many times the ppl here use tabloid articles to back their point? You can dismiss it as silly but that is the reality of what we see ppl using as 'evidence'. Press coverage as a whole has been atrocious. Social Media has been a absolute zoo.


LaRae
  #545  
Old 01-09-2020, 09:46 AM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Scotland, United Kingdom
Posts: 1,110
Quote:
Originally Posted by princess carmen View Post
Harry hasn't been happy for a long time well before he met Meghan. They said they would continue to support the The Queen , Prince Charles, and the Duke of Cambridge. Along with doing their duties. I think they will be able to have a life they want away from Britain and raise their son and any other children.

First it is claimed no one was told. Now today everyone new and Harry ignored them and announce it any way. Please I don't believe half the crap. I don' think this was a secret I don't see Harry doing that so no everyone new it was coming.The only one's who didn't know were the one's not in on the discussions.
I don't think it is being denied that H & M had raised the prospect of wanting to make changes, but it is claimed they did not tell the Queen or anybody else that they were issuing the statement last night.
The statement had an element of this is what we are doing, take it or leave it.
  #546  
Old 01-09-2020, 09:48 AM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Scotland, United Kingdom
Posts: 1,110
That website and statement was well prepared, I also think there is an element of trying to force the issue, they do appear to want their cake and eat it, this could be the downfall,
  #547  
Old 01-09-2020, 09:50 AM
Gentry
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: -, Finland
Posts: 78
I’m sick to my stomach with disgust for Harry.
  #548  
Old 01-09-2020, 09:50 AM
ACO ACO is online now
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: New York, United States
Posts: 3,701
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zonk View Post
As I stated before, Harry has felt this was for a long time. I think the royal life was one of the reasons (obviously love and timing was another) was one of the reasons that Chelsy and Cressida didn't work out.

I just thought he would never do it because in essence he would be leaving William to forge ahead by himself. Or if he did it would be long after George finished college or something. Not now.

And Muhler, Pranter is correct iMO. I have been around a long time and while all royal brides....Diana, Sarah, Sophie, Camilla and Kate have not had an easy entry...this was over the top. She didn't hold Archie the way normally people do, 4 article and tons of bullying on SM, wears black nail polish, crosses her legs in pictures, glances at Harry during a Remembrance ceremony moves closer and all of a sudden its an article. And let's not talk about all of the stories that were unanswered (she dated so and so, she was looking for a British husband, etc.). Or that nasty documentary (where Katie Hopkins and her sister talk about her) before she had Archie. She has not had an easy time of it to be sure. I am confident that that is playing a factor in this decision.

The truest thing she ever said was "I knew their would be interest and a lot of coverage but she thought it would be fair" and its not to be honest. It's not. Even yesterday, the Daily Mail printed inaccuracies about the renovation regarding the Frogmore cottage. Ones that are specifically mentioned in the lawsuit!
I mean even Archie. That poor child was barely a day old when he got a taste of his first racist experience. Honestly was anyone surprised? Harry is insanely protective of Meghan but you would imagine it is that times 10 with Archie. It is just fact that the Sussexes will experience different hardships than any of the other royals. They all have had it rough but there is some that is unique and that hurt and frustration other can't understand.
  #549  
Old 01-09-2020, 09:55 AM
Claire's Avatar
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: London, United Kingdom
Posts: 1,556
Quote:
Originally Posted by Muhler View Post
Fortunately I'm not.

Basically there can only be one thing to do: Talk about it. Discuss options and alternatives and approaches. If need be tell them what to do and not to do.
And make sure no one acts on their own initiative.

What else would there be to do?

We are seemingly looking at what happens when you don't.
This is what has disturbed me the most about this - how bad must H& M believe it to be to have gone down this route. I understand that a leak may have played their hand. But something has gone very wrong with the communication between the royals
  #550  
Old 01-09-2020, 09:56 AM
kbk kbk is offline
Nobility
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Warsaw, Poland
Posts: 363
I have a very strong impression that they are simply willing to be relieved from the burdens and restrictions of being Royal Family "senior" members (and that's just fine with me, but...) yet retain and profit (as they would need money!) from their position.
  #551  
Old 01-09-2020, 09:58 AM
Zonk's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere in, United States
Posts: 12,973
OH Social Media played a HUGE PART in how the Sussexes were reported and treated.

And for everyone who talks about what Kate experienced...social media was around but in no way was it like how it is now. Remember when KP had to block people? Was that even a thought or option when Kate was first married.

Now don't get me wrong..the way this handled was not good. And a lot of the issues that the Sussexes face they brought on themselves but I don't think you should minimize the bullying that Meghan faced. And yes, what was written and said about her when she was pregnant was ridiculous! And I think as an American, that could be hard to listen or hear and not respond to it. And that is/was the BRF way of thinking....don't respond unless its absolutely outrageous.

I am sure that was hard for both of them to live with.
__________________
.

  #552  
Old 01-09-2020, 09:59 AM
Nico's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Paris, France
Posts: 2,795
Quote:
Originally Posted by ACO View Post
I mean even Archie. That poor child was barely a day old when he got a taste of his first racist experience. Honestly was anyone surprised? Harry is insanely protective of Meghan but you would imagine it is that times 10 with Archie. It is just fact that the Sussexes will experience different hardships than any of the other royals. They all have had it rough but there is some that is unique and that hurt and frustration other can't understand.
Yes different for sure, nothing more and nothing less than the other members of the BRF. Each person has their own story, their own background, their own weakness, their own wound.
I don't think the over victimization of Meghan is a good card to play.
  #553  
Old 01-09-2020, 09:59 AM
O-H Anglophile's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 3,638
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zonk View Post
The truest thing she ever said was "I knew their would be interest and a lot of coverage but she thought it would be fair" and its not to be honest. It's not. Even yesterday, the Daily Mail printed inaccuracies about the renovation regarding the Frogmore cottage. Ones that are specifically mentioned in the lawsuit!
Thinking the Daily Mail would be "fair" is like thinking the National Enquirer or other U.S. tabloids would be "fair." They are in business to sensationalize, not report accurately.
  #554  
Old 01-09-2020, 10:00 AM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Scotland, United Kingdom
Posts: 1,110
Does anybody think that they forced the issue thinking they would get what they wanted which is a way to earn their own money but still do royal duties as and when, or do they really want out full stop, and were fed up with delays. The thing is they were away for at least 6 weeks, I know there is e mail and skype etc but surely this should have been discussed in a face to face situation with all relevant parties.

I don't know about the royals but I am shattered with it all.
  #555  
Old 01-09-2020, 10:02 AM
Osipi's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: On the west side of North up from Back, United States
Posts: 16,557
After contemplation and talking with people, I think I pretty much can paint a picture of what is happening now with this recent announcement from the Sussexes.

Its as if Harry and Meghan are trying to cross a bridge that hasn't completely been built yet and its pretty wobbly and unsafe to say the least. They're now racing like mad to get to the other side of the bridge because it seems that the bridge is pretty much a raging inferno looking back and they're doing a good job of imitating Indiana Jones as they frantically hustle to get to safety before the bridge hurtles them into the deep and dark void lurking below. What a cliffhanger eh?

So much needs to be clarified and parameters set on just how this is all going to work and its correct, IMO, to think that H&M will *not* call the shots on this and most likely will be presented with either/or options and there may even be compromises. Its not a case of having their cake and eating it too but rather sitting on the edge of their seats waiting for the oven door to slam and deflate a souffle that is still baking. Souffles take extreme caution and care to ensure they turn out right.
__________________
To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment. ~~ Ralph Waldo Emerson ~~
  #556  
Old 01-09-2020, 10:03 AM
O-H Anglophile's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 3,638
Quote:
Originally Posted by Claire View Post
Just a thought - how much of it is due to Social media and the new way of news reporting worldwide?
I think this is key--social media is definitely a driving force these days--it brings out the worst in people who hide behind pseudonyms and their keyboards. And the tabloids (not the legit media--there is a difference) tag along, pretending it is news.
  #557  
Old 01-09-2020, 10:03 AM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Bellevue, United States
Posts: 1,384
Quote:
Originally Posted by rob2008 View Post
If they will "Provide access to credible media outlets focused on objective news reporting to cover key moments and events" then you are excluding only deliberatel biased forms of journalism - ie 'cranks', politicians and extremists. Every news source is 'credible' and 'objective'. Are they taking a gratuitous pop at the BBC? Piers? A hereditary institution cannot operate in a blatantly politicised way (although they do latently). Is this how they get the UK used to Brexit by americanising the way our royal family works?
Every news source is 'credible' and 'objective'??!!! LOL!!! I don't agree with what Harry and Meghan are doing but I admire their ability to recognize the tabloids for what they are - toilet paper with pictures.
  #558  
Old 01-09-2020, 10:06 AM
lucien's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands
Posts: 7,113
What a lot of nonsense over nothing!!Really,they do know how to get attention don´t they!Wonder whom Harry has those genes from.....

If they don't wish to be in the spotlight so what!!
Let them earn their own income,like all other members in most if not all other Monarchies do,what's so special about that that it needs to be hyped up!?Nada,nada at all.Really,annoying trill seekers
  #559  
Old 01-09-2020, 10:09 AM
Zonk's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere in, United States
Posts: 12,973
Quote:
Originally Posted by O-H Anglophile View Post
Thinking the Daily Mail would be "fair" is like thinking the National Enquirer or other U.S. tabloids would be "fair." They are in business to sensationalize, not report accurately.
Right but remember....until she dated and married into the BRF (like Kate) there was not a lot of interest in her. She barely made it to People and US Magazine (maybe one or two articles when she married and divorced). The difference is that Kate is English and she knew how the British media could be. Meghan had no idea as she readily admits. People warned her but she didn't think it would be this intense.

I am just saying there is enough blame to go around.

Quote:
Originally Posted by O-H Anglophile View Post
I think this is key--social media is definitely a driving force these days--it brings out the worst in people who hide behind pseudonyms and their keyboards. And the tabloids (not the legit media--there is a difference) tag along, pretending it is news.
Not only treating it as legitimate news but its hard to combat a rumor on social media. What's the saying...the internet is forever!

It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out. I think it will be a bumpy ride for Meghan and Harry. They will discover that you can't have one foot in and one foot out.
__________________
.

  #560  
Old 01-09-2020, 10:11 AM
ACO ACO is online now
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: New York, United States
Posts: 3,701
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nico View Post
Yes different for sure, nothing more and nothing less than the other members of the BRF. Each person has their own story, their own background, their own weakness, their own wound.
I don't think the over victimization of Meghan is a good card to play.
I don't think one "cruelty" is more than the other but I do think some of downplaying how much of a massive difference it has been for Meghan in a lot of ways in this current atmosphere. And that can be extremely frustrating.

Just this morning watching GMB and seeing people talking of this and when one lady said Kate experienced the same as Meghan and she said "being judged for her skin color?" and the lady kind of cringed. It is just facts here.


That said I agree that mistakes have been had by everyone. No denying that. I also think the way they went about this statement was problematic especially if the others did not know, which seems to be the case.
__________________

Closed Thread


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The Duke of Sussex and The Invictus Games: 2014 and 2016-2018, 2020 Dman The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family 1150 09-06-2020 07:30 PM




Popular Tags
abu dhabi america archie mountbatten-windsor background story baptism biography british british royal family buckingham palace camilla camilla's family camilla parker-bowles camilla parker bowles china chinese ming dynasty asia asian emperor royalty qing chinese commonwealth countries countess of snowdon customs daisy doge of venice doll duchess of sussex duke of cambridge duke of sussex edward vii elizabeth ii family life family tree fashion and style george vi gustaf vi adolf harry and meghan hereditary grand duchess stéphanie hereditary grand duke guillaume highgrove jack brooksbank jewellery king edward vii king willem-alexander książ castle line of succession list of rulers meghan markle mountbatten names nepal nepalese royal jewels plantinum jubilee prince charles of luxembourg prince constantijn prince harry princess ariane princess catharina-amalia princess chulabhorn princess chulabhorn walailak princess dita princess ribha queen consort queen louise queen maxima queen victoria royal ancestry spain speech suthida taiwan thailand unfinished portrait united states of america welsh


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:02 PM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2021
Jelsoft Enterprises
×