The Duke and Duchess of Sussex to Step Back as Senior Royals: January 2020

[Betsypaige]

I think that’s taking the “had no choice” too literally. I’m sure Harry was implying that he was forced into this choice - by the media, by whatever issues he had as a working Royal, by his brother, his father...It’s incredibly passive-aggressive and absolves him of any responsibility ..

[Lilyflo]

While we can all speculate on what Harry meant by "no choice", it's perhaps worth noting that he said this in his speech:
"I want you to hear the truth from me, as much as I can share"
There are details he can't tell us related to all this & maybe we'll never know. Didn't one of the RRs say they knew things they couldn't repeat "for legal reasons"?

[fortimo]

He said, that they wanted work for the Queen, but without the public eye. That is, what didn't go.

[Lilyflo]

Originally Posted by fortimo

He said, that they wanted work for the Queen, but without the public eye. That is, what didn't go.

Where did he say that? Do you mean this bit where he talks about public money?
"Our hope was to continue serving the Queen, the Commonwealth, and my military associations, but without public funding."

[Elenath]

Originally Posted by Betsypaige

There’s a lot to this article, and I agree with all of it, but this section spoke to me. They didn’t give it enough time, they ran away, they likely didn’t speak to his father and Camilla....and possibly in this whole process has ruined Harry’s relationship with his father. We know he’s hurt Charles and everyone else with this decision. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hink-acts.html

It's rather ironic to have the Daily Mail ask "what went wrong". Perhaps they should look in the mirror for once.

[suztav]

Originally Posted by Betsypaige

I think that’s taking the “had no choice” too literally. I’m sure Harry was implying that he was forced into this choice - by the media, by whatever issues he had as a working Royal, by his brother, his father...It’s incredibly passive-aggressive and absolves him of any responsibility ..

Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with you. I think the bottom line for Harry was to save his marriage which is completely understandable. Having said that, I think we are in agreement that they could have handled this situation much better and not put out a preemptive strike with that website. JMHO

[Osipi]

Thought pulled out of left field in a galaxy far, far, away. How much of this "new path to forge" as far as their foundation was formed by listening to their PR manager they hired last March who is a) An American, b) a former senior adviser to Hilary Clinton and c) adviser to Hilary Clinton in her 2016 run for the presidency of the US? Is the Clinton Foundation a working model they used for the Sussex Royal Foundation?

Perhaps things may have turned out completely different if they had hired someone to advise them that knew and understood just how the monarchy and the "Firm" in the UK works? And also how the UK media works? And who also knew and could advise Harry and Meghan towards workable solutions to their problems without going all out "American capitalism"?

Just points I'm pondering here. Keeps the grey matter active.

[wyevale]

^ Quite a bit I imagine.. the STELLAR success of the Clinton campaign is closely echoed by that of 'Sussex [ci-devant] Royal'...

[Betsypaige]

“He might be putting a brave face on but I suspect Harry’s heartbroken. He’s a sensitive soul and he’s a sweetheart.

“He’s deeply loyal to Meghan and they’re excited about the new adventure ahead, but this may have come at a great personal cost with regards to his relationship with the Royals.”

https://www.ok.co.uk/royal/royal-news/kate-william-meghan-harry-megxit-21319644

To put an optimistic spin on things, many children live far apart from their parents and siblings, and they’re still close.....emotionally if not physically. Of course, this is complicated by the fact that Charles can’t just pop on over when he feels like it (I think William can). There’s no doubt that this is costing him with regards to his relationships - father, brother, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins....

For his sake, I hope it all works out, but I don’t want to see his autobiography on bookshelves...what a horror show that would be.

[fortimo]

Originally Posted by Lilyflo

Where did he say that? Do you mean this bit where he talks about public money?
"Our hope was to continue serving the Queen, the Commonwealth, and my military associations, but without public funding."

Yes, I thought this.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by fortimo

Yes, I thought this.

but he was also getting funding from his father, to help wit his public work and his private expenses. the Sovereign Grant Ie public fudnding, was a relatively small amount...

[evolvingdoors]

Originally Posted by Lilyflo

While we can all speculate on what Harry meant by "no choice", it's perhaps worth noting that he said this in his speech:
"I want you to hear the truth from me, as much as I can share"
There are details he can't tell us related to all this & maybe we'll never know. Didn't one of the RRs say they knew things they couldn't repeat "for legal reasons"?

Well if it’s a legal (or illegal) matter that is under investigation, it is fairly stupid of him to mention it even in a general wink-wink way.
Because it makes the public ponder what is going on.

[poppy7]

And the papparazzi pictures have started and the press are ignoring the warnings because it isn't the palace tbis time. I know they will loose interest but I feel so so sorry for them. They wouldn't have wanted this and they are looking more and more foolish. If this continues. It will make Cambridge children's childhood look like they are shut in a dungeon. I hope it all just goes away soon.

[Zaira]

Originally Posted by Osipi

Thought pulled out of left field in a galaxy far, far, away. How much of this "new path to forge" as far as their foundation was formed by listening to their PR manager they hired last March who is a) An American, b) a former senior adviser to Hilary Clinton and c) adviser to Hilary Clinton in her 2016 run for the presidency of the US? Is the Clinton Foundation a working model they used for the Sussex Royal Foundation?

Perhaps things may have turned out completely different if they had hired someone to advise them that knew and understood just how the monarchy and the "Firm" in the UK works? And also how the UK media works? And who also knew and could advise Harry and Meghan towards workable solutions to their problems without going all out "American capitalism"?

Just points I'm pondering here. Keeps the grey matter active.

Sara Latham, which is who you are talking about, is also a British citizen and had worked for the UK government and was a principal for a well regarded British firm. So her background isn't much different from many of the young royals' staffers.

[Alison H]

They're reportedly now threatening to take legal action against the paparazzi in Canada. More tabloid headlines. It would probably have happened anyway, but they haven’t helped themselves by handling it so badly and creating a big drama - Showdown at Sandringham and all the rest of it could easily have been avoided if they’d been a little more patient. What a mess.

[Gawin]

Originally Posted by Elenath

It's rather ironic to have the Daily Mail ask "what went wrong". Perhaps they should look in the mirror for once.

The mirror would crack.

[evolvingdoors]

Originally Posted by Alison H

They're reportedly now threatening to take legal action against the paparazzi in Canada. More tabloid headlines. It would probably have happened anyway, but they haven’t helped themselves by handling it so badly and creating a big drama - Showdown at Sandringham and all the rest of it could easily have been avoided if they’d been a little more patient. What a mess.

The only question I have about Meghan paparazzi pics and those saying they were not tipped: how would they know Meghan was picking up a friend from the airport, on that day and that time?
How would they the exact time let alone trail she was gonna walk in?

Tell me how, if they were not tipped in advance.

[muriel]

Originally Posted by Alison H

They're reportedly now threatening to take legal action against the paparazzi in Canada. More tabloid headlines. It would probably have happened anyway, but they haven’t helped themselves by handling it so badly and creating a big drama - Showdown at Sandringham and all the rest of it could easily have been avoided if they’d been a little more patient. What a mess.

How long will the Bank of Dad have to keep funding H&M's ridiculous battle with the media?

[Ista]

Originally Posted by Alison H

They're reportedly now threatening to take legal action against the paparazzi in Canada. More tabloid headlines. It would probably have happened anyway, but they haven’t helped themselves by handling it so badly and creating a big drama - Showdown at Sandringham and all the rest of it could easily have been avoided if they’d been a little more patient. What a mess.

Interesting, but not unexpected. From what some Canadian posters on this forum have indicated, the rules governing paparazzi are more restrictive in Canada, so perhaps there is a good case to be made. On the other hand, how much expectation of privacy is there when you are on a public footpath? There's a huge difference between long lens or drone photos of individuals in private spaces, and photos taken when you are out and about. Or so you would think.

If these lawsuits are being funded by Harry's personal fortune, it isn't going to last long at this rate.

[Betsypaige]

Originally Posted by Alison H

They're reportedly now threatening to take legal action against the paparazzi in Canada. More tabloid headlines. It would probably have happened anyway, but they haven’t helped themselves by handling it so badly and creating a big drama - Showdown at Sandringham and all the rest of it could easily have been avoided if they’d been a little more patient. What a mess.

Maybe this will be the end of it in Canada, but there will be a lot of this in the States - by paparazzi from sleazy, trashy, no-morals tabloids like the National Enquirer- so they should get used to it. Good thing we’re a litigious country, lol

Originally Posted by evolvingdoors

The only question I have about Meghan paparazzi pics and those saying they were not tipped: how would they know Meghan was picking up a friend from the airport, on that day and that time?
How would they the exact time let alone trail she was gonna walk in?

Tell me how, if they were not tipped in advance.

My favorite show was filmed outside of Vancouver, and some amateur paparazzi (they were just ordinary joes, not professionals in any way) who used to take photos in set where they weren’t supposed to in order to get better photos, used to hang out at airports at times when it was likely that actors would be there, like after a weekend off when they were returning to Vancouver for filming again. Then they “attacked” the actors right off the plane, getting autographs that they could later sell.

I’m not sure what exactly you are referring to since this photo was not taken at the airport, but my point was to show the lengths people will go to...