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Old 01-18-2020, 07:51 PM
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Yeah basically. But what is the alternative? If they dont have money they will have to sing for their supper. Once this charity thing has limited appeal. They will basically just be rich.
Of course because I think if Charles doesn't support them, they wont have enough supporters, once the initial excitement is over, to create this income... esp if they have to stick within the limits of "royal propriety". So poor old C wil problaby have to pay for security, repay the money for Frogmore and shell out for their general expenses.
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:52 PM
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Actually I just heard Keir Simmons in NBC, who was in the Conference Call with Buckjngham Palace, definitely say that it would be revisited in one year.
I hope that's true. There needs to be some ongoing oversight from the Palace.
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:53 PM
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I have to say that I’ve been very disappointed by the whole situation. I thought that their engagement and marriage was rushed and wondered if Meghan was aware of what she was getting herself into, but I also saw someone who was really civically and social justice minded who could use the role to do a lot of good in the world. I also hoped that the family would embrace her, since she came from a toxic family situation in which basically the only solid, non-toxic member was her mother. What seems to have happened was that she was probably a bit naive and truly didn’t know what she was getting herself into. The press and tabloid scrutiny was toxic and for the most part extremely unfair. I don’t think she has much in common with the wives/girlfriends of Harry’s set of friends (the posh, polo set), and I wonder how much she has truly been embraced by the royal family behind the scenes. I don’t get the sense that she and William and Kate are close or have much in common, and I wonder if she was essentially told by the powers that be to keep a stiff upper lip in terms of the press, to ignore it and go on with life and duties. So she’s over in the UK with a new baby, the press constantly hounding her negatively, her father and sister spewing lies, with really only her husband as her support system, with few friends and with her mother and closest friends back in North America- no wonder Meghan was unhappy!

I think she was also expecting the role to be more glamorous and important than it actually was. Much of the royal duties aren’t wearing pretty dresses and tiaras and making huge humanitarian changes like Angelina Jolie or George Clooney. It’s lots of mundane tasks like opening hospitals and touring galleries and hugging children and people in wheelchairs. It probably wasn’t the exciting, world-changing life she was hoping for.

So I’m not at all surprised that she wanted to step away, and that Harry, who loves his wife and has probably always wished for the chance to step away himself but never would have done it on his own, supported the decision and indeed helped facilitate it. It’s very sad that this decision has apparently come after major rifts with the rest of the family and his close friends, but I’m hoping that they find whatever they’re looking for in Canada and are able to happily raise their son there in an environment where they feel more comfortable and supported. I hope that they haven’t totally closed the door on royal life, although I think for Meghan and probably Archie and any future children, they will never spend any meaningful time in the UK again. I think that the children will be educated in North America and settle in North America, and will not consider themselves British, but Canadian or American, wherever the family chooses to settle long term.
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:55 PM
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How the Canadian and U.S. media treat them remains to be seen.


My guess: they’ll get photographed as long as there is money to be made. And the rules that applied to the royals won’t apply to them. Their private time won’t be deemed to be private. They’ll be like any other newsworthy celeb who gets photographed doing their daily activities.
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:56 PM
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Gee, so sorry! I see now. Must put in for new brain or at least better reading glasses. So even their private patronages like Sentebale, Invictus or Smart Works may not be organizations they will be able to continue working with even on a private basis.

Ok, I'm still happy for them but maybe with a little less gusto currently.
I think Sentebale will keep Harry-it is in Africa and part of Harry’s private life.
I hope he continues to be part of Invictus, that also is private not royal.
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:56 PM
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Samantha didn't tell Meghan to go for a baby shower to the US.. nor to do that silly thing over Archie's birth. She is not a nice person but in point of fact her horrible behaviour might have engendered sympathy for Meghan.
I didn't say that Harry and Meghan didn't make mistakes...They did. I just think that Meghan family attacking her gave others liberty to attack her as well. Also, the transition into being a member of the royal family has got to be difficult. When Kate was going through it she was confident in the fact that her family loved her and supported her. Meghan's family just attacked her and embarrassed her. (Except for her mother.)

It was fine to criticize Meghan for use of private jets etc. It's an attack when she is vilified for eating avocados or cradling her baby bump.
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:56 PM
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Right here:

Update: 18th of January 2020

In line with*the statement*by Her Majesty The Queen, information on the roles and work of The Duke and Duchess of Sussex will be updated on this website in due course. We appreciate your patience and invite you to explore the site to see the current works of Their Royal Highnesses.

https://sussexroyal.com/about/
I don't understand why they link the Queen's statement as its doesn't really provide any information. Too ashamed to link the Palace's statement?
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:56 PM
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I hope that's true. There needs to be some ongoing oversight from the Palace.
what is the point? I don't think that the 2 of them are going to come back..the only thing would be if Harry came back alone...
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:57 PM
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I do disagree because the platform they represented has been taken away. Like working for Amnesty and your voice being important and getting invited to official events and then moving to Vodafone and finding no one has use for you anymore.

I know this will e hard for them but they are only of any use to their organisations because of the platform they gave them.
I'm absolutely sure that other organizations will benefit from their bew commitments.
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Old 01-18-2020, 08:00 PM
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I have to say that I’ve been very disappointed by the whole situation. I thought that their engagement and marriage was rushed and wondered if Meghan was aware of what she was getting herself into, but I also saw someone who was really civically and social justice minded who could use the role to do a lot of good in the world. I also hoped that the family would embrace her, since she came from a toxic family situation in which basically the only solid, non-toxic member was her mother. What seems to have happened was that she was probably a bit naive and truly didn’t know what she was getting herself into. The press and tabloid scrutiny was toxic and for the most part extremely unfair. I don’t think she has much in common with the wives/girlfriends of Harry’s set of friends (the posh, polo set), and I wonder how much she has truly been embraced by the royal family behind the scenes. I don’t get the sense that she and William and Kate are close or have much in common, and I wonder if she was essentially told by the powers that be to keep a stiff upper lip in terms of the press, to ignore it and go on with life and duties. So she’s over in the UK with a new baby, the press constantly hounding her negatively, her father and sister spewing lies, with really only her husband as her support system, with few friends and with her mother and closest friends back in North America- no wonder Meghan was unhappy!

I think she was also expecting the role to be more glamorous and important than it actually was. Much of the royal duties aren’t wearing pretty dresses and tiaras and making huge humanitarian changes like Angelina Jolie or George Clooney. It’s lots of mundane tasks like opening hospitals and touring galleries and hugging children and people in wheelchairs. It probably wasn’t the exciting, world-changing life she was hoping for.

So I’m not at all surprised that she wanted to step away, and that Harry, who loves his wife and has probably always wished for the chance to step away himself but never would have done it on his own, supported the decision and indeed helped facilitate it. It’s very sad that this decision has apparently come after major rifts with the rest of the family and his close friends, but I’m hoping that they find whatever they’re looking for in Canada and are able to happily raise their son there in an environment where they feel more comfortable and supported. I hope that they haven’t totally closed the door on royal life, although I think for Meghan and probably Archie and any future children, they will never spend any meaningful time in the UK again. I think that the children will be educated in North America and settle in North America, and will not consider themselves British, but Canadian or American, wherever the family chooses to settle long term.


A lot of truth in what you say, however I don’t like the way they went about this. I also think that she probably threatened Harry with divorce which is why the Queen was willing to be considerate. I have a sinking feeling that this won’t end as the fairy tale we all hoped for.
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Old 01-18-2020, 08:00 PM
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what is the point? I don't think that the 2 of them are going to come back..the only thing would be if Harry came back alone...
I agree. I think that Meghan is, for all intents and purposes, done with living in the UK. I don’t think they’ll spend any meaningful time there, and Archie and any future children will probably be educated and raised in North America. I also agree that if anyone comes back, it will be Harry alone. If anything happens in the marriage, Meghan and the children will stay in Canada or the US.
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Old 01-18-2020, 08:01 PM
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I hope that's true. There needs to be some ongoing oversight from the Palace.
At least in regards to commercial deals, palace oversight reportedly will not apply:


https://twitter.com/byEmilyAndrews/s...05781811113987
"Crucially for the Sussexes, in return for dropping their HRHs and no royal engagements, there will no oversight on their commercial deals from BP/Royal Family & they can earn money however they please. No commercial deals in place at the moment we're told..."
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Old 01-18-2020, 08:02 PM
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I'm absolutely sure that other organizations will benefit from their bew commitments.
They have shown that they are very hard to rely on. Organisations may make use of them but I don't think they will be very solid...
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Old 01-18-2020, 08:02 PM
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A lot of truth in what you say, however I don’t like the way they went about this. I also think that she probably threatened Harry with divorce which is why the Queen was willing to be considerate. I have a sinking feeling that this won’t end as the fairy tale we all hoped for.
I don’t agree with the way they went about it either, it was very underhanded and I get the sense that everyone in the royal family was blindsided by it. I’m hoping that they are happier with their new life, but also wonder how it will end... if things don’t end well I could see it being very nasty, especially with multiple countries now involved.
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Old 01-18-2020, 08:03 PM
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Which is why Meghan getting papped twice this past week is unusual.

A couple of the shows I watch are shot in Vancouver, the stars of these show have more media stardom and insta followers than Meghan can ever dream of!
There's paparazzi in Victoria right now. This is a big story. They won't camp out there forever. The were no shots during their 6 week vacation.
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Old 01-18-2020, 08:05 PM
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I agree. I think that Meghan is, for all intents and purposes, done with living in the UK. I don’t think they’ll spend any meaningful time there, and Archie and any future children will probably be educated and raised in North America. I also agree that if anyone comes back, it will be Harry alone. If anything happens in the marriage, Meghan and the children will stay in Canada or the US.
Althogh I've never liked Meghan.. having always had a certain unease about her, I don't want for Harry to be divorced and maybe losing contact iwht his son...I think he's moving there to please ehr.. and isn't that pushed about the place.. tho' he's not that happy in the UK either. Im sorry for him.. stupid as he has been..
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Old 01-18-2020, 08:05 PM
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I have to say that I’ve been very disappointed by the whole situation. I thought that their engagement and marriage was rushed and wondered if Meghan was aware of what she was getting herself into, but I also saw someone who was really civically and social justice minded who could use the role to do a lot of good in the world. I also hoped that the family would embrace her, since she came from a toxic family situation in which basically the only solid, non-toxic member was her mother. What seems to have happened was that she was probably a bit naive and truly didn’t know what she was getting herself into. The press and tabloid scrutiny was toxic and for the most part extremely unfair. I don’t think she has much in common with the wives/girlfriends of Harry’s set of friends (the posh, polo set), and I wonder how much she has truly been embraced by the royal family behind the scenes. I don’t get the sense that she and William and Kate are close or have much in common, and I wonder if she was essentially told by the powers that be to keep a stiff upper lip in terms of the press, to ignore it and go on with life and duties. So she’s over in the UK with a new baby, the press constantly hounding her negatively, her father and sister spewing lies, with really only her husband as her support system, with few friends and with her mother and closest friends back in North America- no wonder Meghan was unhappy!

I think she was also expecting the role to be more glamorous and important than it actually was. Much of the royal duties aren’t wearing pretty dresses and tiaras and making huge humanitarian changes like Angelina Jolie or George Clooney. It’s lots of mundane tasks like opening hospitals and touring galleries and hugging children and people in wheelchairs. It probably wasn’t the exciting, world-changing life she was hoping for.

So I’m not at all surprised that she wanted to step away, and that Harry, who loves his wife and has probably always wished for the chance to step away himself but never would have done it on his own, supported the decision and indeed helped facilitate it. It’s very sad that this decision has apparently come after major rifts with the rest of the family and his close friends, but I’m hoping that they find whatever they’re looking for in Canada and are able to happily raise their son there in an environment where they feel more comfortable and supported. I hope that they haven’t totally closed the door on royal life, although I think for Meghan and probably Archie and any future children, they will never spend any meaningful time in the UK again. I think that the children will be educated in North America and settle in North America, and will not consider themselves British, but Canadian or American, wherever the family chooses to settle long term.
Sounds basically if their is a massive tradegy we will,get King Archie Ralph on the throne.

I think she thought it was a fairytale. Marry a prince but marrying royal families or aristocracy has not in the majority of cases gone well for American women and many marriages end. And Grace Kelly was disillusioned. Although she herself did it for eternal fame. It is just a totally different life and that is even before you get used to the European way of life and Sensibility.
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Old 01-18-2020, 08:06 PM
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Of course because I think if Charles doesn't support them, they wont have enough supporters, once the initial excitement is over, to create this income... esp if they have to stick within the limits of "royal propriety". So poor old C wil problaby have to pay for security, repay the money for Frogmore and shell out for their general expenses.
There are YouTubers who make millions of dollars a year who aren't widely known to the general public. Harry and Meghan will not have trouble making money.
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Old 01-18-2020, 08:10 PM
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There are YouTubers who make millions of dollars a year who aren't widely known to the general public. Harry and Meghan will not have trouble making money.
Meghan could start up The Tig again.
Vogue Australia thinks it could be being revived.
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I wish Buckingham Palace would give us clear guidance on Harry and Meghan’s titles and styles so we know how to call them. For starters, I don’t know yet if Harry is still using the titular dignity of Prince prefixed to his name ( as he is legally entitled the) or if he has also voluntarily relinquished that title along with the HRH style.
I agree and I wonder if further guidance will be forthcoming.
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