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Old 01-18-2020, 06:48 PM
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I'm torn on this. Who won. Meghan already did two photo ops not including pictures of her pilates friend and stylist coming to the huge mansion. I wonder how soon she'll become a celebrity and act as such.
I'm scared for Harry. He might have liked to escape for a while but he was born and raised in a palace. He wants a peaceful life but Meghan loves attention for good or bad.
I'm sorry to see Harry without his army titles. Without his friends. In a country/countries he might not understand. That's why we worry about the divorce. I worry their interest will collide. And you know, leaving the royal lifestyle as outdated as it is is hard.
Edit: as for money are they this thirsty to not pay for security themselves? and still get money from Charles? "financial independence". So.. receiving money from all parties?
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:49 PM
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Canada in general doesn't have a tabloid culture. Paparazzi is not really a thing here either. I live in Vancouver, and a lot of movies and TV shows are made here. We do see reports on celebrities, but they are very different. Reese Witherspoon was here and she raved about a little donut shop on her Insta. That got picked up by the local news. Canada just want people to love us...when celebrities say how much they like the country our media makes sure everyone knows.
One of my favorite shows used to be filmed in Steveston, and the only “paparazzi” were local photographers who loved to sneak behind lines and take photos where they weren’t supposed to. I don’t recall any instances where reporters/photographers ever followed the actors around, and one of them is a very big name, especially in the UK
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:53 PM
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I'm sad and shocked. Read the whole thread to calm down - well, that didn't work too well!

On a personal level, I'm so sad for Prince Philip and the Queen. To see Harry's behaviour over the last few months - and how he changed - just terrible. The tabloids made life unbearable for him and Meghan, and I can't understand why they had to rush into marriage, rush into so much activity. Everybody thought that Meghan knows what she's signing up for, she seemed so confident... and now a burn-out after less than two years.

So what are they left with now? Harry wanted to live a private life - I think it was cruel that he couldn't continue in the military, just like his grandfather. He won't get a private life now, he'll get gloating paparazzi and the kind of patronising articles like Rebecca English penned about him - "nice stupid Harry". No BP any more to protect him and his family.

They are rich and I can't understand why his father should support them but that's their business. If they want to play in the league of the super rich it seems they'll need a business plan. But is this what Harry wants? I have the feeling not quite.

I can't get over the inner image of Prince Philip lying in bed in his cottage at Sandringham, knowing that all this chaos is going on and he can't control it, can't support the queen like he was used to. I hope Harry went to see him.

The queen's message was very gracious and kind. She acknowledged how tough it must have been for Meghan. The press was cruel to her, just as it was to other women who married into the royal family and also born royals (the Yorkies). Somehow, there is always more interest in tearing a woman down than there is for a man.

Why did they rush into marriage? It turns out in retrospect that Kate did it just right. She dipped one toe after the other, and while people called her a social climber and lazy etc, there must have been a plan, and it worked. Meghan rushed in, crushed and burned. What a sad story.

And why did they rush the website, their declaration, all this publicity? If they didn't want press attention - why attract attention by a very public flounce?

I really hope this won't affect Archie. Young children are very sensitive and attuned to their parents' feelings.

The RF as institution will come out of this undamaged, they found an elegant way out. Harry and Meghan will find a way to build a new life, even though it didn't turn out the way they wanted. It's sad for Harry's grandparents, and ultimately for him, too. Maybe a less glamorous woman would have suited his ideas of private life better? But they love each other. I hope that's enough for them.

I hope they'll all be happy.
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:54 PM
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Below is a link to an updated version of the article I posted yesterday...

Ok, so Harry and William’s relationship with their father has had ups and downs - that’s life in any family. What I don’t understand it’s why Harry didn’t speak to Charles about feeling “pushed out”. It’s not like Charles doesn’t praise him publicly, saying how proud he is of him. What does Harry want? He doesn’t want to be “pushed out”, but he also doesn’t want to be a working Royal. What then? Then he’s pissed at his father because he’s jealous that William and Kate got “their own court” and he and Meghan did not? William is the future king, there’s a big difference. I believe this, yes I do; not everything in the newspapers is wrong. I feel like Harry is running away to North America as a way to cope with his feelings of insecurity and kind of jealousy (I say kind of because he hates the media). As to the rift with his brother, it seems sibling rivalry runs deeper than I thought.





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Anne, Andrew and Edward didn't get their own court either. Nor did Princess Margaret. It is usually just the heir. The only reason William has a third royal court is because of the long reign of The Queen. It's not very often that a monarch has 3 adult direct heirs.
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:54 PM
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I wonder how the Military sees all this then? Since Harry seemingly won’t be involved in the future. He wouldn’t have given those ranks without having been Prince Harry.

I did find information posted on Royal Central about roles he has lost-
Captain General of the Marines
Honorary Air Commandant Royal Air Force Honington
Commodore-in-Chief of Small Ships and Diving

Wasn’t the Captain General appointment the one he got when Philip retired? That must have hurt his grandfather.

Royal Central also says The Sussexes will lose their appointments as Commonwealth Youth Ambassadors.

Apparently they were not happy. So days the news. I think Phillip is pretty much finished caring about that stuff. He is in his last years. I am sure he is philosophical.

Harry on the other hand probably is devastated. He lost the two things he really cared about. Commonwealth and military.
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:55 PM
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It’s only a Dukedom now though, nothing Royal. It has lost some luster.

I imagine the funding is to retain some control over them.

But they are paying a hefty sum (and I’m not convinced they will keep it for longterm.)

Maybe, we’ll see who wants to keep them as patrons.

But they said they wanted to continue to collaborate with the Queen and undertake tours for her.

Security was not addressed, so is still an unknown.

Do you think charities care if they have Prince princess in their title??? Or businesses for that matter?? No. They want Royal patrons for the publicity they get as publicity brings attention and funding to their cause.

We saw this before. No one will be interested In their wedding, they are okay sixth in line, not like William. Wrong. No one will be interested in their baby as he is only seventh in line and that's not exciting. Wrong. People rarely care about where someone falls in line if succession. They love to gossip. For a huge chunk of the world royals aren't celebrity friends they are celebrities. The people who make the cover are not those with the midst power, but those who are exciting and sell stories.

The black prince who ran away from duties and his biracial former actress wife. The tabloids will be licking their flaws for stories for years to come. Especially when daddy is king. And that means money for pang business they are working with and publicity for any charity they are involved in.

Harry will show up in his military uniform or a suit eith his wife and son to his father's coronation. And likely many family events prior, when smoke clears.

As for the Royal charities, they don't care if Harry still is a working Royal. Many patronages are happy to have the yorks. Harry is still the son of the future king.

And Archie and any siblings will grow up normal. And like the kids of the Kents and Gloucesters, he will be a future Duke with a private life and career.

If there is any need for more slack the yorks are the obvious. Zara and Peter have grown up private and have their own lives. And it will be years before Louise and James are old enough to step up if wanted.
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:56 PM
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It is some old law that the Queen get the custody, so it wouldn't be easy! And I am sure before they got married the Queen had to explain to her what would happen in the case of a divorce with their kids!
I know about the law but Meghan and Archie are US citizens. If they are within the borders of the United States, I am not sure the US courts would be required to honor a British law. I guess it depends on our treaties.

On another note, about their private patronages, I would think the Commonwealth Trust President/Vice President would have to go. It seems to me that one is an official position representing the Queen.
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:57 PM
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I was the one who made the original post. In NY, sure - the lousy NY Post and Daily News will cover them as they do all “celebs”, no matter how phony. The NY Times won’t, though - not on a regular occurrence unless they are in NY, and even then it would be limited. Neither will Newsday or other papers. You really think the LA Times will have a Royal beat reporter to cover M and H if they live in LA? If they’re visiting, yes, but my point was that on an everyday, regular basis, most genuine newspapers will not be following the faux royals around....
People Magazine, Us Weekly, In Touch Weekly will still report on them.

I don’t see the Daily Mail giving up coverage- there even is a US online version and a TV show.

“Genuine” newspapers in the U.S rarely report much on them as it is.
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:00 PM
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I can't get over the inner image of Prince Philip lying in bed in his cottage at Sandringham, knowing that all this chaos is going on and he can't control it, can't support the queen like he was used to. I hope Harry went to see him.
I find it all sad too but I wonder about what Philip's reaction was. Because we know he was ill, and some magazines said he was bed-ridden, but on the morning of the meeting at Sandringham, he was seen getting a ride on the estate with his friend Penny Brabourne. Apparently that was an hour before Harry showed up. So did he return home afterwards and see Harry? Or did he get up from bed that morning and go out purposely because he didn't want to see Harry (kind of like how he always avoids Sarah when she shows up)?
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:01 PM
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Do you think charities care if they have Prince princess in their title??? Or businesses for that matter?? No. They want Royal patrons for the publicity they get as publicity brings attention and funding to their cause.

We saw this before. No one will be interested In their wedding, they are okay sixth in line, not like William. Wrong. No one will be interested in their baby as he is only seventh in line and that's not exciting. Wrong. People rarely care about where someone falls in line if succession. They love to gossip. For a huge chunk of the world royals aren't celebrity friends they are celebrities. The people who make the cover are not those with the midst power, but those who are exciting and sell stories.

The black prince who ran away from duties and his biracial former actress wife. The tabloids will be licking their flaws for stories for years to come. Especially when daddy is king. And that means money for pang business they are working with and publicity for any charity they are involved in.

Harry will show up in his military uniform or a suit eith his wife and son to his father's coronation. And likely many family events prior, when smoke clears.

As for the Royal charities, they don't care if Harry still is a working Royal. Many patronages are happy to have the yorks. Harry is still the son of the future king.

And Archie and any siblings will grow up normal. And like the kids of the Kents and Gloucesters, he will be a future Duke with a private life and career.

If there is any need for more slack the yorks are the obvious. Zara and Peter have grown up private and have their own lives. And it will be years before Louise and James are old enough to step up if wanted.
Well people not being interested in their wedding or Archie' s birth was a ridiculous statement. But The media will forget and the charities will care because they are only as good as the money they bring in. The York's are working royal. The support the Queen at many events. Harry no longer will be.
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:02 PM
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I wonder where this stands with their presence at family events like Trooping the Colour? If they want to, I presume Harry and Meghan could attend Sandringham as even though we get to see them walk up to church Sandringham is more or less a family affair.
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:04 PM
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The Crown always wins. Harry and Meaghan's IG statement wasn't so bad, but it was such a bad tactic to release that website when they did, "collaborating with the Queen etc.
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:04 PM
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I was surprised the Sussexes chose to drop their titles now - I thought they would do so eventually, but would wait for at least a few months to see how the situation pans out. It's clear from this, if it hadn't been from anything else, that the couple want out.

I wonder where this stands with their presence at family events like Trooping the Colour? If they want to, I presume Harry and Meghan could attend Sandringham as even though we get to see them walk up to church Sandringham is more or less a family affair.
Ah I don't think that was tbeir decision.
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:05 PM
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The York's are working royal. The support the Queen at many events. Harry no longer will be.
No, they aren't working royals, but perhaps they will be now. Eugenie in particular really is good with people on her charity visits. I'd like to see more of her, if she's willing and if the Queen asks her.
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:05 PM
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Sussex was passed the position of Captain General of the Royal Marines from his grandfather, Prince Philip, who had held it from 1953 to 2017.

Sussex barely managed 3 years .. The Duke of Edinburgh must be devastated..
I don’t know about Prince Phillip being devastated. Livid? Perhaps. Disappointed? Most certainly. Phillip gave up a career he loved and devoted his life to duty in support of his wife, the Queen. I very much doubt he very happy with Harry.
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:06 PM
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Ah I don't think that was tbeir decision.
Yes, though I am sure they had to negotiate with HM so both parties came to a decision.
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:06 PM
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I'm aware that the correct billing would be "The Duke and Duchess of Sussex", but particularly in North America, a company booking them may prefer to use "Prince Harry and Princess Meghan" in the promotional material.

My question is whether that will be accepted under the new agreement. The official statement did not clarify whether the titles of Prince and Princess could be used, or whether other parties can continue to use the titles that the Sussexes themselves will stop using.
They don't go by Prince and Princess now...Duke and Duchess is higher.
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I find it all sad too but I wonder about what Philip's reaction was. Because we know he was ill, and some magazines said he was bed-ridden, but on the morning of the meeting at Sandringham, he was seen getting a ride on the estate with his friend Penny Brabourne. Apparently that was an hour before Harry showed up. So did he return home afterwards and see Harry? Or did he get up from bed that morning and go out purposely because he didn't want to see Harry (kind of like how he always avoids Sarah when she shows up)?
I wondered about that too-if Philip was avoiding Harry. It was said he was furious, especially because it upset the Queen so much.
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:08 PM
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I was surprised the Sussexes chose to drop their titles now - I thought they would do so eventually, but would wait for at least a few months to see how the situation pans out. It's clear from this, if it hadn't been from anything else, that the couple want out.
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Not using the HRH is less of a choice and more of a consequence of wanting financial freedom.

Their website made their desires clear. They wanted the best of both worlds. Didn’t work.
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:09 PM
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Well, they are still members of the Mountbatten-Windsor family but not even occasional working Royals or even able to use their HRH.

And no, they will not continue to represent the Monarchy-they are out.
Correct, they will no longer be working royals or officially represent the Monarchy.

According to Harry and Meghan's updated website https://sussexroyal.com/monarchy/ "As members of the Royal Family, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex support Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II by continuing her efforts to draw special attention to these groups as patrons of multiple organisations." Referencing their private patronages, ie Sentebale, the Invictus Games Foundation, Smart Works, etc.

Their updated website continues to give a history of patronages. "The history of patronages is a fascinating historical insight into the British Royal Family and the role they continue to play in The United Kingdom. ... patronages cover a broad spectrum of causes, a symbol of national pride that was so needed then and has carried over to present day. While there is a distinction between patronages and the community work the Duke and Duchess champion individually, there is sometimes overlap based on their interests. Today, Their Royal Highnesses The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have chosen their patronages to support charitable organisations that represent causes important to them and that honour the legacy of Her Majesty The Queen." A list of the organizations they will continue to support is also provided on their newly updated website. I think Harry and Meghan will continue to be very busy.
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