The Duke and Duchess of Sussex to Step Back as Senior Royals: January 2020

[carlota]

Does Harry get to pick his place in the line of succession?

They addressed they’d refund the costs of the frogmore cottage renovation but they never addressed whether they will need to pay rent for it.

It seems to me that a lot remains to be sorted / decided in this situation still. Their immigration status in both Canada and Uk, security, how they will finance themselves etc.

[duchessrachel]

Originally Posted by Sionevar

It is sad how the actions of parents are so often used to judge the children. Other than not always being terribly sensible in their fashion choices (a 'sin' I suffer from myself), what dreadful mistakes have Beatrice and Eugenie made?

I can't see Edward and Sophie wanting Louise and James to become senior royals, but time will tell...

It makes me sad for them. It is not their fault for Andrew's situation. I feel bad that Beatrice may not get a fancy Princess wedding like Eugenie did because of father. I can only imagine the booing that might be directed at Andrew if she had a public wedding and how embarrassing that would be for her. Then again, she may not want a wedding like Eugenie's.

[poppy7]

Originally Posted by duchessrachel

I agree. If the BRF can survive the War of the Wales and the week that Diana died, they most definitely are going to make it through this.

Course they can. Harry before Meghan. Well that would have been devastating. But they have been toxic in the last year. And there is no other way to put it. It's toxic. And I think people in particular are sick of her. On a news program last week. People actually starting groaning when the race card was brought up again. Yes racism exists.but they have played that card everyone she was criticised and I think people are just a bit fed up of the moaning.

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by O-H Anglophile

I believe those were honorary ranks— since 2018, not 2008.
The rank he had when he left the military in 2011 was Captain.

My apologies it was 2018, but they’re not honorary they’re substantive and permanent.

[soapstar]

Originally Posted by evolvingdoors

But no news regarding any money to be provided to them via the Duchy of Cornwall?. which was essentially their main salary.

According to royal reporters, they’re still working that out. They’re saying that if Charles does continue to fund them, the money might not come from the Duchy.

[poppy7]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

My apologies it was 2018, but they’re not honorary they’re substantive and permanent.

No they are gone now. It was on the BBC.

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by carlota

Does Harry get to pick his place in the line of succession?

They addressed they’d refund the costs of the frogmore cottage renovation but they never addressed whether they will need to pay rent for it.

It seems to me that a lot remains to be sorted / decided in this situation still. Their immigration status in both Canada and Uk, security, how they will finance themselves etc.

Why would he get to pick his place? And they did address the rent, not in the statement but it’s been confirmed by BP to Royal Reporters that they will pay commercial rent.

Finance wise it’s via Charles, not necessarily The Duchy of Cornwall money either.

Security and immigration is what’s left.

Originally Posted by poppy7

No they are gone now. It was on the BBC.

No, his honorary military appointments have gone. His appointments on 14th May, were substantive and permanent. Unless someone can prove to me otherwise, I’ll keep searching for the gazette notification.

Edit found it: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/...pplement/10858

There are three types of rank substantive and permanent, temporary and honorary. As you can see from the announcement his ranks were permanent.

[Helen.CH]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

When Diana became Diana, Princess of Wales, she continued to be referred to in the US as “ Princess Diana “ ( which she never was BTW) or simply “ Princess Di”, so I guess that gives you a hint.

Diana’s case of course had the complication that her post-divorce style did include the word “ Princess” , which added to the confusion for the American audience. .

US Media already called Meghan “ Meghan , Duchess of Sussex” , so I don’t see a big change here. I am sure “ Duchess Meghan” will continue to pop up a lot too. It will more difficult to adjust to not calling Harry “ Prince Harry” as he has been a prince for his entire life. I wouldn’t be surprised if American media started using “ Duke Harry” or simply stuck with “ Prince” anyway.

I have even seen some reports from Canada and the visit of the women's saying Duchess of Sussex, Meghan Markle.
If planned could be an early try to get attention of her original name for any time after a possible divorce. I cannot imagine US people do know Sussex is either a place, dukedom or whatever and will remember this name a lot but stick to simpler things like H&M or Markle.

[texankitcat]

Originally Posted by PrincessKaimi

Yes absolutely! You (and the person you were replying to) are absolutely right. The story itself has not made CBS-Los Angeles or KTLA (does anyone in California watch Fox-nationwide?)

California bans altogether taking pictures for publication if a child is in the picture, and Malibu has its own local policies as well. Furthermore, Meghan and Harry just won't be all that paparazzi-worthy (except to British tabloids, again - which is a British problem and perhaps it's time for a little cancel culture on the other side of the pond?)

At any rate, at least if the Sussexes come to California, they won't be surrounded by people who read about the Royals in tabloids and who surely do not care about most of the things Meghan has done wrong (like hold her baby in a position some people find awkward). I am the only person I know who follows this at all and everyone's eyes glaze over (even in the history or political science department) when I try to bring it up.

Canada is probably an even better place for laying low, physically (but they do have more news about Royals on a day to day basis).

I completely disagree. Native Californian here and I can say without any doubt that The BRF and Prince Harry is absolutely news worthy. There is no way they will be left alone by the media and tabloid press particularly since they are extremely high profile Royals from the most famous Royal family in the world. They will not be able to step outside their door without cameras and cell phones catching everything they do. It will be worse than the British press because there will be no barrier to protect them. Harry is in for a rude awakening if that is their goal.

[camelot23ca]

Well. I knew this was the way things had to end up, but even after reading the statement from BP a couple of times I’m still finding it hard to process how suddenly things have changed for the couple.

I’m very glad QEII and Charles and/or the government laid down a very hard no to the original plan the Sussexes posted on their website. Clearly the grown ups who actually run this show, (not all of them royal), got involved very quickly after the statement was posted. I think M and H deciding to post their announcement the way they did was a very bad blunder on their part. Trying to force the hand of a stronger party, and one who isn’t even being especially adversarial, clearly wasn’t the best negotiating strategy. If they had been mature about this and discreetly carried out talks over several months I think they probably could have come away with a slightly better deal than what they have now.

This is a good clean break. The BRF will carry on. Harry and Meghan now have the independence they think they want, (although I do wonder if Harry, especially, realizes how much his life is going to change). I don’t see the review in one year time as an open door for a potential Sussex return, at least not a return to any substantial royal roles. They’ve shown themselves to be much too unreliable for that.

I scratch my head when people talk about Charles needing to support them. Harry and Meghan are wealthy people in their own right. They have more than enough money to live well for the rest of their lives without lifting a finger. They clearly state their main goal is financial independence. I can see Charles stepping in to pay for their security if their current arrangements are cut, but, other than that, they don’t need to accept a dime from anyone. They just need to lower their standard of living like millions of other people do when their professional circumstances change.

[yvr girl]

Originally Posted by PrincessKaimi

Yes absolutely! You (and the person you were replying to) are absolutely right. The story itself has not made CBS-Los Angeles or KTLA (does anyone in California watch Fox-nationwide?)

California bans altogether taking pictures for publication if a child is in the picture, and Malibu has its own local policies as well. Furthermore, Meghan and Harry just won't be all that paparazzi-worthy (except to British tabloids, again - which is a British problem and perhaps it's time for a little cancel culture on the other side of the pond?)

At any rate, at least if the Sussexes come to California, they won't be surrounded by people who read about the Royals in tabloids and who surely do not care about most of the things Meghan has done wrong (like hold her baby in a position some people find awkward). I am the only person I know who follows this at all and everyone's eyes glaze over (even in the history or political science department) when I try to bring it up.

Canada is probably an even better place for laying low, physically (but they do have more news about Royals on a day to day basis).

Canada in general doesn't have a tabloid culture. Paparazzi is not really a thing here either. I live in Vancouver, and a lot of movies and TV shows are made here. We do see reports on celebrities, but they are very different. Reese Witherspoon was here and she raved about a little donut shop on her Insta. That got picked up by the local news. Canada just want people to love us...when celebrities say how much they like the country our media makes sure everyone knows.

[ashelen]

All this is a very much sad situation, for their families , the Queen and Archie. I understand he probably wanted out of the family since his mother died, which I could understand and Meghan just gave him the push he needed it to get it done. This had been in the making for a while. She probably loved it at the beginning, the magic of being a princes, the fame, money and power, being married to the son of Diana, and have a baby with her blood too. But after she got tired of the protocol, formality being told what is expected from her, etc...….. Beside of course the media criticizing all the time. Also as it was only her mother in her wedding from her family and we all know she cut off all her family except from her mother, it is not big deal from her to do the same with Harry's family. Just I feel sorry for the baby, Wonder what he will think when he grows up, he might be telling her off how she cut him off from his family, not to mention, he will not have British accent and he will grow up in schools in America or Canada.
She left their home in Windsor, after all the expense , she does not have a sense of belonging nor roots...…..
I understand they want to earn their own money, and they still they want to do some charities, but why the charity in Canada gave her a necklace worth $1500? I mean don't this charities try to rise money to found their causes, and they use the money to buy such a gift for her just because she showed up? Wishing them the best and for their kid and I hope they have a very happy ending and live happy ever after but I can not really see it . I hope I am wrong.

[Betsypaige]

Originally Posted by Erin9

Their definition of financial freedom was and is quite amusing. That means: you get to pay for EVERYTHING.

I don’t have a high opinion of how Harry and Meghan have handled this- starting with the interview. It’s really left a bad taste in my mouth. It was incredibly immature. They basically threw a public temper tantrum. And they are in their mid to late 30s for goodness sake! It’s embarrassing. And sad for everyone. They hurt a lot of people.

And now the rest of the family has to deal with the mess they’ve made, long and short term.

What they mean by “financial freedom” is...having finances taken care of for them so they can have the freedom to not have to do such terrible work as the Royals do, lol

Agreed ! Complaining in Africa, AFRICA - where people are lucky if they have enough to barely survive on.....they’re oblivious to how they look. Good luck to them - I think they’re going to need it.

[wyevale]

Sussex was passed the position of Captain General of the Royal Marines from his grandfather, Prince Philip, who had held it from 1953 to 2017.

Sussex barely managed 3 years .. The Duke of Edinburgh must be devastated..

[carlota]

I didn’t know a charity gave her a 1500 jewellery piece. That’s not good publicity for the charity nor for Meghan.

So they may give up positions on commonwealth roles but seem to keep the queens commonwealth trust patronage....

Good to know they will pay rent for their Windsor cottage.

[O-H Anglophile]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

No, his honorary military appointments have gone. His appointments on 14th May, were substantive and permanent. Unless someone can prove to me otherwise, I’ll keep searching for the gazette notification.

Edit found it: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/...pplement/10858

There are three types of rank substantive and permanent, temporary and honorary. As you can see from the announcement his ranks were permanent.

I wonder how the Military sees all this then? Since Harry seemingly won’t be involved in the future. He wouldn’t have given those ranks without having been Prince Harry.

I did find information posted on Royal Central about roles he has lost-
Captain General of the Marines
Honorary Air Commandant Royal Air Force Honington
Commodore-in-Chief of Small Ships and Diving

Wasn’t the Captain General appointment the one he got when Philip retired? That must have hurt his grandfather.

Royal Central also says The Sussexes will lose their appointments as Commonwealth Youth Ambassadors.

[yvr girl]

Originally Posted by Lady Daly

I am so happy for Harry and Meghan. They are still members of the Royal Family and will continue to serve the Monarchy. https://sussexroyal.com/monarchy/

No one has all the immediate answers but I think the Queen has given them a gift!

That website isn't up to date...there is even a note on the home page stating the fact. They are still part of the family but they won't be representing the monarchy after the transition.

[Betsypaige]

Originally Posted by texankitcat

I completely disagree. Native Californian here and I can say without any doubt that The BRF and Prince Harry is absolutely news worthy. There is no way they will be left alone by the media and tabloid press particularly since they are extremely high profile Royals from the most famous Royal family in the world. They will not be able to step outside their door without cameras and cell phones catching everything they do. It will be worse than the British press because there will be no barrier to protect them. Harry is in for a rude awakening if that is their goal.

I was the one who made the original post. In NY, sure - the lousy NY Post and Daily News will cover them as they do all “celebs”, no matter how phony. The NY Times won’t, though - not on a regular occurrence unless they are in NY, and even then it would be limited. Neither will Newsday or other papers. You really think the LA Times will have a Royal beat reporter to cover M and H if they live in LA? If they’re visiting, yes, but my point was that on an everyday, regular basis, most genuine newspapers will not be following the faux royals around....

[Missjersey]

Originally Posted by texankitcat

I completely disagree. Native Californian here and I can say without any doubt that The BRF and Prince Harry is absolutely news worthy. There is no way they will be left alone by the media and tabloid press particularly since they are extremely high profile Royals from the most famous Royal family in the world. They will not be able to step outside their door without cameras and cell phones catching everything they do. It will be worse than the British press because there will be no barrier to protect them. Harry is in for a rude awakening if that is their goal.

Exactly, don’t think for a second she was ever going to have a low profile. Front and center was locked in when she heard him utter “I do”. It was part of the plan for me.

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by O-H Anglophile

I wonder how the Military sees all this then? Since Harry seemingly won’t be involved in the future.

I did find information posted on Royal Central about roles he has lost-
Captain General of the Marines
Honorary Air Commandant Royal Air Force Honington
Commodore-in-Chief of Small Ships and Diving

Wasn’t the Captain General appointment the one he got when Philip retired?

Royal Central also says The Sussexes will lose their appointments as Commonwealth Youth Ambassadors.

I posted this information earlier, he has lost his honorary military appointments only and yes the Captain General of the Marines was the role passed on from Prince Philip.

It is only Henry that is a Commonwealth Youth Ambassador, and they're correct he has lost it. They have not lost their President and Vice President role however.