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Old 01-18-2020, 04:59 PM
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This is both an Olympics year and an election year for the US. Good luck getting basic news to cover you past Memorial Day. I'm sure entertainment news will include them but as the novelty wears off that will trickle off as well. If I were Meghan I'd be bracing for the inevitable VF article---they launched her so you know they will run a follow up covering "what went wrong". Ouch.
Yes absolutely! You (and the person you were replying to) are absolutely right. The story itself has not made CBS-Los Angeles or KTLA (does anyone in California watch Fox-nationwide?)

California bans altogether taking pictures for publication if a child is in the picture, and Malibu has its own local policies as well. Furthermore, Meghan and Harry just won't be all that paparazzi-worthy (except to British tabloids, again - which is a British problem and perhaps it's time for a little cancel culture on the other side of the pond?)

At any rate, at least if the Sussexes come to California, they won't be surrounded by people who read about the Royals in tabloids and who surely do not care about most of the things Meghan has done wrong (like hold her baby in a position some people find awkward). I am the only person I know who follows this at all and everyone's eyes glaze over (even in the history or political science department) when I try to bring it up.

Canada is probably an even better place for laying low, physically (but they do have more news about Royals on a day to day basis).
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:00 PM
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Peter Hunt, ex-BBCer, thinks M and H win and the Monarchy “lost - big time”. I’m like, huh? Ok, they do have to figure out who else will become working royals, but the institution is and will be just fine.


I suppose he could mean in what Harry and Meghan brought to the royal family themselves, as people. They’re very charismatic, personable, championed some great causes. They generated publicity. They were an asset- and they are gone. It’s also a loss to William in terms of expected support. The BRF will be fine. But this is a loss. ( I don’t consider it inevitable that they will add working members of the family though. Perhaps.)

I guess it can be seen as a win for Harry and Meghan if money making opportunities work out how they want. If they get what they want from the media- good luck there. But- whether this is a a true win probably can’t be assessed for a very long time until you can gage long- term impact.

And this is still a loss for them- they wanted something the monarchy wouldn’t provide.
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:01 PM
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The BBC reporter who was on conference call with Palace before the statement was given has said they were told the whole "deal" will be reviewed after a year to see if it is working for all sides.

In terms of titles etc the Queen and Palace would have looked bad to have stripped them of HRH (which is often compared to Diana's loss of same style) so an agreement not to use it is best middle road most likely.
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:02 PM
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Well finally we know the future for the couple. They will in effect be private people, while still being "celebrities".

I think the palace have been looking at the polling of public thoughts and have in many ways met the public expectations:

*repaying the cost of Frogmore and now paying rent on it
*no use of HRH styles but with the option to use them if required and without them being "stripped" of them as Diana was (the perception of wihc the Palace wanted to avoid)
*no public funding (Although the use of Duchy funds has not being commented upon - I suspect thats because its a-not yet decided what will happen with it and b-its seen as Charles private income so we will have to see how the PoW annual report lays it out in May/June time)
*security - well they were never going to comment upon it but given Andrew is said to be loosing some if not all of his police protection I suspect over time the use of "official protection" will be diminished


This is IMO the best solution (though I would add the caveat that they should also not use "SussexRoyal" and use "Sussex" or something else entirely) for all. It makes clear they have not been stripped of royal status, are still members of the royal family in the sense of being part of the sovereign's family, but are expected not to use royal status in this new venture.

As for timing - this fits within the Queen's supposed desire to see it settled "within days" and also, remember most people in the UK read newspapers at the weekend and many Sunday editions are effectively separate publications with their own staff which would cover this story whenever it came - much better to get it done now so the papers can go mad for it over the weekend and into next week with the hope that by this time next week there will be a new focus for the media and the monarchy can in effect move on.

I suspect there are, as was reported, a few sticking issues, a lot of reporters saying the statement was less than they expected in terms of detail, so I bet those undecided issues will be sorted later but to met HM's demand on timing and to get over the headlines BP decided they had enough to show what direction they were taking so announce and add clarity as needed later.
Good points - and I agree that they shouldn’t use Sussex ROYAL.

A part of me is glad, even if the public isn’t thrilled, that Charles is going to at least in part find his son; he wants to sure they are settled, secure and happy. As a bonus, I suppose, this makes it easier for Harry and Meghan to invest in ventures purely because they believe in them and not mostly because of money.
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:02 PM
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I wonder if they do not want to use it, as it restricts them on what they can do regarding financial deals.
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:05 PM
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Oh I think that is the reason 100% - I suspect they were told if you use HRH you can't do your own deals
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:06 PM
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I don’t see how Meghan and Harry have really lost out in this. Apart from repaying back the money from Frogmore which I doubt they actually will find it all, it reckon Charles will help but regardless they still get independence (which they wanted), they get to step away from the Royal life (which they wanted) and they won’t be funded by the Soverign Grant (which they wanted).
In regards to the HRH, they can’t use it in commercial terms, but still get to be called HRH and use it and haven’t lost their place in succession or hierarchy.
So I’m not really sure how people on social media and the media are saying that They Queen has shown them’ or thar ‘Buckingham Palace has given payback’ because H&M pretty much got all they wanted?
Unless I’m missing something?


Their website stated one thing. The reality is very different.

What they got- they would have gotten without this public drama.
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:06 PM
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I doubt they are really “happy”. This wasn’t their plan. They told us what they wanted.

What they got- their family wouldn’t have denied them anyway- the move and financial freedom.

The public negotiating tactic failed.
Even if they are happy, no one else is. Even if the Crown “won”, the personal pain involved is incredibly sad. Harry and Meghan are thrilled to be getting away from everyone ...father, brother, cousins, aunts, uncles...I deliberately left out his grandmother.
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:07 PM
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The BBC reporter who was on conference call with Palace before the statement was given has said they were told the whole "deal" will be reviewed after a year to see if it is working for all sides.


This is very sensible and smart imo.
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:08 PM
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I don’t see how Meghan and Harry have really lost out in this. Apart from repaying back the money from Frogmore which I doubt they actually will find it all, it reckon Charles will help but regardless they still get independence (which they wanted), they get to step away from the Royal life (which they wanted) and they won’t be funded by the Soverign Grant (which they wanted).
In regards to the HRH, they can’t use it in commercial terms, but still get to be called HRH and use it and haven’t lost their place in succession or hierarchy.
So I’m not really sure how people on social media and the media are saying that They Queen has shown them’ or thar ‘Buckingham Palace has given payback’ because H&M pretty much got all they wanted?
Unless I’m missing something?
they have been told they can't represent the queen.. that they can't use their HRH's.. Peoeple will know that Charles is the one who will have to fudn them and pay for Frogmore.. they are not going to do it.. so their financial independence is a myth. They may find that stepping away from the Royal life isn't much fun.. at least for Harry...
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:08 PM
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What caught my interests about this interview was the part of paparazzi pictures of the royals posted around the world. In the two years since the engagement i don’t think I have seen any of those kind of pictures of Meghan and Harry, not even when they dated to be honest. It be interesting to know if there are paparazzi pics of them that we are not aware of.
If so, Meghan thinking she now safe outside of the protection of the royal family.. well in the last week we had two! - that I know of- Paparazzi photos of her (at least one makes me believe we’re called by her and her PR, because how would they know she’d be there?! The second, actually had an embargo!! Placed on it, which again looks a bit suspeciois).
I as all others do not know but don't you think the interest of the british tabloids will be as high as before? Haven't they probably sent some " journalists, photographers or paparazzi" to Canada or will do so as soon as the couple has bought a house somewhere?
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:13 PM
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I as all others do not know but don't you think the interest of the british tabloids will be as high as before? Haven't they probably sent some " journalists, photographers or paparazzi" to Canada or will do so as soon as the couple has bought a house somewhere?
If they retain an interest, the coverage wont be kind....
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:14 PM
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I as all others do not know but don't you think the interest of the british tabloids will be as high as before? Haven't they probably sent some " journalists, photographers or paparazzi" to Canada or will do so as soon as the couple has bought a house somewhere?
I think it will be for a while. And then it will stop. And if thry have a other baby they will talk about it. And always dragged out in drama for the royalfamily. People will just forget about them and given the absolute venom I have seen on the media over the past few months I think that is a good thing for everyone. Archie will probably be part of those where are they now articles in years to come. He won't know the Cambridges very well so I can't see him invited to family things. Harry probably but not him.
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:14 PM
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I suppose he could mean in what Harry and Meghan brought to the royal family themselves, as people. They’re very charismatic, personable, championed some great causes. They generated publicity. They were an asset- and they are gone. It’s also a loss to William in terms of expected support. The BRF will be fine. But this is a loss. ( I don’t consider it inevitable that they will add working members of the family though. Perhaps.)

I guess it can be seen as a win for Harry and Meghan if money making opportunities work out how they want. If they get what they want from the media- good luck there. But- whether this is a a true win probably can’t be assessed for a very long time until you can gage long- term impact.

And this is still a loss for them- they wanted something the monarchy wouldn’t provide.
Oh I agree in that sense, yes, but his tweet was seriously overstating it. The BRF will carry on as they always do - and absolutely, William has lost expected support (emotional as well as working-wise). It won’t be easy, but it’s hardly a body blow they can’t recover from,. The loss for me is more as to the family - Charles can’t visit his son, so now essentially he’ll only see him on the rare occasions Harry is in the UK. That goes for the Queen as well.

I really hate thinking of H and M becoming their own business...I’m just not a fan of it, it seems so tawdry
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:16 PM
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Even if they are happy, no one else is. Even if the Crown “won”, the personal pain involved is incredibly sad. Harry and Meghan are thrilled to be getting away from everyone ...father, brother, cousins, aunts, uncles...I deliberately left out his grandmother.


For sure- no one else is happy. Tired, stressed, disappointed, hurt, etc. Still- I think happy would be an over- statement for Harry and Meghan. This wasn’t their vision either. They got some- but hardly all- of what they wanted. And how well this will work is debatable- especially in the long term.

I’m not sure they’re “thrilled” to get away from everyone but the Queen. Maybe, but the only one in the family there’s known to be friction with is William. Though I’m sure their relationship with Charles has taken a big hit with this mess. Possibly the rest of the family. It’s hard to imagine ANYONE in the family is happy about the public mess they’ve made. Their friends likely have their own POV too- especially ones they share with William.
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:18 PM
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I wish Buckingham Palace would give us clear guidance on Harry and Meghan’s titles and styles so we know how to call them. For starters, I don’t know yet if Harry is still using the titular dignity of Prince prefixed to his name ( as he is legally entitled the) or if he has also voluntarily relinquished that title along with the HRH style.
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:20 PM
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I as all others do not know but don't you think the interest of the british tabloids will be as high as before? Haven't they probably sent some " journalists, photographers or paparazzi" to Canada or will do so as soon as the couple has bought a house somewhere?


I could well see the paparazzi being worse. Harry and Meghan will likely still sell.

And they lose the royal protection deals. Off time was usually off limits for royal photos, except for sporting events. That’s gone. They’re fair game imo.
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:22 PM
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A lot of their charities already signalled their ongoing support so I doubt they will be dropped. I mean they are still big names and now honestly can do even more for their charities in many ways.

The only one I am not as clear about is National Theater. Then again Meghan not being a working royal may be a boon. This is the same org that considered dropping "Royal" from their title until Meghan was named patron so.
The National Theatre was not very happy that Meghan dropped in for a visit like everything was normal and business as usual, thendropped that bombshell the same evening.
Also, do they really want a non-British patron who doesn't really live in the country?
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:24 PM
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I could well see the paparazzi being worse. Harry and Meghan will likely still sell.

And they lose the royal protection deals. Off time was usually off limits for royal photos, except for sporting events. That’s gone. They’re fair game imo.
Well that is what happened with Diana. They aren't Diana and I honestly think that unless they continue to court the media. They will loose interest.
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:25 PM
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Oh I agree in that sense, yes, but his tweet was seriously overstating it. The BRF will carry on as they always do - and absolutely, William has lost expected support (emotional as well as working-wise). It won’t be easy, but it’s hardly a body blow they can’t recover from,. The loss for me is more as to the family - Charles can’t visit his son, so now essentially he’ll only see him on the rare occasions Harry is in the UK. That goes for the Queen as well.



I really hate thinking of H and M becoming their own business...I’m just not a fan of it, it seems so tawdry


Agreed.

The family aspect of this is all quite sad, for sure.

I only only imagine how the BRF feels about them being their own business.
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