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Seems this was the best solutions overall. Though that first engagement is bound to be interesting, My guess it will be Commonwealth Day. Probably just wanted everyone around for it.
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This "new model", no use of HRHs, doesn't take effect until Spring 2020 when the period of transition is over.
Hmm, a technicality IMO.
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Actually, there's absolutely nothing in the statement about that. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was mentioned to them privately during these meetings.
It was said. In the detail. Everything will be in line with the ideals of her majesty. That isnt commercial projects.
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:27 PM
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They have update their website with the following message;
Oh my goodness!! They are still referring to themselves as "Their Royal Highnesses" when they can't use that anymore? I am assuming that this was published after the agreement was published today, but I hope I am wrong.
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Probably not. But that was pretty clear imo from the moment they made the announcement. It seemed clear to me most of their time would be in North America regardless. They moved their dogs there. Archie stayed there. Meghan sure didn’t seem to have much desire to be in the U.K.

William and Harry may not want to see much of each other frankly .
Of course families all over the world are separated, it doesn't mean they don't love each other - it is sad, though, and yes - I knew that would be the case. Unlike other families, Charles (or anyone else) won't be popping up to stay with the kids for a spell - so really the only time that Harry will see his papa or other extended family will be on the rare occasions he pops up in the UK.

I'm hoping that the brothers can mend this rift before Harry goes. I'm sure Charles has tried, I hope he tries again even if they don't listen to him in general, lol

On another note, I wonder how popular H and M will be now that they've given up the HRH and other Royal "benefits".....
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:27 PM
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Imagine announcing your plan of continuing to support The Queen on your own terms to the entire world in what was clearly a long-planned, well-designed, intricate way, only to have her tell you to leave your titles at the door and go represent yourself a week later.

Either this couple really, truly thought they were so immensely popular and indispensable that they could throw down the gauntlet like this and The Queen would still call on them to represent her on overseas tours, in which case they suffer from delusions of grandeur, or they put their "plan" out to the world knowing it had no chance of coming to fruition, in which case you can fill in your own motives. Either way, good riddance to this once very likable couple.
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:28 PM
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HM says she is proud of Meghan, I think she really ries to cheer these two up though the ties are now officially cut concerning the work. I hope the family finds a way.
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:28 PM
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So what does this mean for Eugenie and Beatrice? I can see them quietly taking up more duties. And I can see them going all out for her wedding now. Big PR push. Course the father is an issue.
I see the exact opposite, I don't see any changes for Beatrice and Eugenie and an all out wedding would be a massive PR mistake. We may have been fixated on Meghan and Henry for the last couple of weeks, but it only takes a change of the news cycle to bring Andrew back to the forefront.
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I think people knew and understood - well, most of them did - that this website was Harry and Meghan's wishlist. Now we see how much of it they got to keep and it's not much.

They don't get to be part-time royals while they're making their personal fortune elsewhere. It was a bad idea when Sophie and Edward did it, and I don't doubt it wouldn't go well now too. The whole idea of collaborating with HMQ was awful. God awful. I don't think I will forget that sentence, it'll be in my mind until I die. So disrespectful.

I'm surprised that Harry lost his military titles, that had to hurt him, especially since we all know how invested he was in that part of his life. It's also interesting how the statement said "North America" and not "Canada" - I wonder if they won't settle in the US after all.
I wonder if that is partly to try and wake him up to what he is doing.

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Let's be real. The notion of revisiting this arrangement in a year is clearly there so that if the Sussexes find that they aren't quite as successful being out on their own as they think they will be then they can come back and be working royals. It's a tradeoff. I think Harry will find that he's gotten what he wishes in a life of privacy and little media interest. Will this satisfy Meghan? Or will she decide that she wants the media spotlight that comes from being a senior working royal?

Certainly their diehard fans will stick by them through thick and thin but much of the Meghan Effect and the recent Archie effect phenomena will die off quite soon, I expect, now that the Sussexes are, essentially, private citizens.
I am not British, but I think there would be an outcry by the British public if she tried to do this. She and Harry have proven they cannot be trusted.
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:30 PM
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I see the exact opposite, I don't see any changes for Beatrice and Eugenie and an all out wedding would be a massive PR mistake. We may have been fixated on Meghan and Henry for the last couple of weeks, but it only takes a change of the news cycle to bring Andrew back to the forefront.
Whose going to do the work then? The royal famy have exactly 4 members working that shouldn't be retired?
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:31 PM
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Unless Henry and Meghan request it, I don't think they will ever lose their HRH. The Queen and Charles just simply wouldn't do it. I think this period until next year is to see if they actually like the situation they've landed themselves in. If they don't, they reverse the clock.
Yes that's how it looks to me. Harry is still HRH The Duke of Sussex & Meghan is still HRH The Duchess of Sussex. They just can't use the HRH as non-working royals as per the statement:
"The Sussexes will not use their HRH titles as they are no longer working members of the Royal Family."

Hmm - scratching my head now that HRH Princess Beatrice & HRH Princess Eugenie aren't working members - they ARE HRH but do they USE their HRH?
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:31 PM
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It was said. In the detail. Everything will be in line with the ideals of her majesty. That isnt commercial projects.
There is nothing in the detail to confirm that, in fact the opposite when the RRs are confirming that there will be no checks and balances on Henry and Meghans commercial ventures. The statement says that

"the Sussexes have made clear that everything they do will continue to uphold the values of Her Majesty".
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What does this mean- that they are officially no longer royal? I’m guessing that the Duke of Sussex title will die out with Harry.
They are still royal, but not participating royals. Archie will be the next duke. Only parliament could remove the title.
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Oh my goodness!! They are still referring to themselves as "Their Royal Highnesses" when they can't use that anymore? I am assuming that this was published after the agreement was published today, but I hope I am wrong.
The way I read the statement from the palace, the change in the use of the HRH style is part of the "new model" and isn't in effect yet, so it's correct for a statement today to use it.
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So what does this mean for Eugenie and Beatrice? I can see them quietly taking up more duties. And I can see them going all out for her wedding now. Big PR push. Course the father is an issue.
IMHO, they should be allowed to step up. Their parents' mistakes are not theirs - it would be unfair to exclude them from consideration on this basis.

And let's face it - the BRF kinda needs them. It has now lost three senior members in as many months, will continue to lose more through aging, and won't be able to put the next generation to use for at least twenty years.
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I’m not sure what to make of this last announcement. I think that part of their allure was being “Royal “. And they may now find that people are less excited to be affiliated with them. Time will tell but this will be a big change for Harry , in the past it was always the non royal spouse having to get used to living and working with the “firm”. Now it will be a Royal who has to make the adjustments. It will be interesting to see how this plays out
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:32 PM
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It was said. In the detail. Everything will be in line with the ideals of her majesty. That isnt commercial projects.
Honestly, could you please point out the part that you're referring to? Because I don't see anything like that except that: "While they can no longer formally represent The Queen, the Sussexes have made clear that everything they do will continue to uphold the values of Her Majesty." and I don't know if I would go that far in the interpretation.
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:32 PM
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This is no where close to the deal they wanted. Per their own website. It’s a loss. And no doubt a financial one. They weren’t volunteering to pay for what they’re now paying for.

They wanted to be out of the U.K. quite a bit of the time. They wanted financial freedom. They got it.

But- really no one was going to stop them from either of those things. HM was not going to force them to live in the UK or keep them from earning money if they wanted to. Which is exactly why the initial statement from HM said those things. She and family was obviously disappointed in their decision, but those weren’t the issues that needed deciding.

The issue was HOW this would work.

I still can’t believe the words “collaborating” with the Queen were on their website.
I am just so horrified that the Queen is having to deal with this at her age and this point in her reign.
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There is nothing in the detail to confirm that, in fact the opposite when the RRs are confirming that there will be no checks and balances on Henry and Meghans commercial ventures. The statement says that

"the Sussexes have made clear that everything they do will continue to uphold the values of Her Majesty".
I read that as effectively. No singing for your supper.
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:34 PM
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Oh my goodness!! They are still referring to themselves as "Their Royal Highnesses" when they can't use that anymore? I am assuming that this was published after the agreement was published today, but I hope I am wrong.
This "new model", no use of HRHs, doesn't take effect until Spring 2020 when the period of transition is over. Until Spring 2020, literally nothing is changing.

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Whose going to do the work then? The royal famy have exactly 4 members working that shouldn't be retired?
You'll have to clarify what you mean, but considering the engagements that Henry and Meghan did last year, and the fact they're keeping their patronages for themselves (until we here otherwise) there's not a lot to pick up.
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