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Old 01-08-2020, 07:51 PM
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Wouldn't residing part of the year in Canada be actually residing part of the year in a Commonwealth country? To me, that is actually highlighting their Commonwealth positions and goals to support and work for the Commonwealth nations.

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I don’t like to repeat myself , but, in the old days, everything would be easier. Harry would be sent to Canada for 5 years or so as Governor General and he and Meghan could be King and Queen ( or Viceroy and Vicereine) of their little realm.

Nowadays, , however, the Commonwealth is a very loose association and more of a cultural one than anything else ( it may change following Brexit, but not so fast ). Harry is seen primarily as a British prince and I believe the British people (the UK posters may correct me if I am wrong) expect that his commitment be primarily to the UK. So I am not sure how they would take Harry and Meghan living part-time in Canada although I accept that is something the couple was trying to negotiate with the Palace before this news broke and the twitter announcement came.

On the other hand, I don’t know how the Canadians would take having Harry and Meghan there on a part-time basis either. If they stayed as private citizens, I suppose it would be perfectly fine, but if Harry sought a public role for himself and his wife, what would that be ? Would he be an accredited UK diplomat in Canada ? The Canadian constitution assigns a role to Elizabeth II ( she is the Queen of Canada) , but assigns no role to any other member of the Royal Family, not even the Prince of Wales,. They are merely successors to the Crown, but as I discussed in another thread related to the Perth Agreement and the Succession to the Crown Act, the Canadian courts have just ruled that the succession law is part of British law, rather than Canadian law or the Canadian constitution. In fact, I don’t even know if Harry has Canadian citizenship ( I believe the Queen does, but other royals do not ?).

When Harry and Meghan visited Canada House, I sensed there was something odd going on, but , like other posters, I was rebuffed for saying that. In hindsight, it is clear that the Sussexes ‘ plans for an active Canadian role were behind it and it might even look like that there was some coordination with the Canadian government on their Canada plan. I doubt , however, that the High Commissioner or the government in Ottawa were aware that the Queen or the Palace were on the dark about that or, at least, were not on the same page as the Sussexes yet.

I would love to hear a Canadian perspective on the topic.
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Old 01-08-2020, 07:53 PM
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That it was disrespectful of Harry & Meghan to make this move as they did-no matter what reason they are using.

Disrespectful to the Queen, Harry’s father and the people/public who embraced and suported them.
I agree. Up to now I've felt sympathic toward Harry & Meghan but this is awful, truly awful.
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Old 01-08-2020, 07:53 PM
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I think everyone is missing the boat. I read this on Omid Scobie Twitter. This is how Harry and Meghan plan to get news out about their work

https://mobile.twitter.com/scobie/st...86277583511552

They have thrown serious shade at the British media and took a swipe at Royal reporters. Even on break the press wrote idiotic stories about them. This approach is not a rush; given how the statement is written it was thought out. The Sussexes are not going to do quid pro quo deals with a press that constantly attacks them. The step back allows them control who they will work with.
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Old 01-08-2020, 07:53 PM
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And does this stop Meghan’s application for British citizenship?
Do you believe she ever intended to go through with it? I certainly don’t.
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Old 01-08-2020, 07:56 PM
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You only have to read the Daily Mail comments to see the vitioral about MM. I think William and Kate were happy when Harry was unmarried as they treated him as a puppy, and so often William would say sarcastic things about Harry in public. I think Charles has supported MM but I don't think William or Kate have at all.

With the recent emphasis and continual photos of the direct line of succession, Harry would be sidelined and I think this is the right move, though it appears to be poorly executed.
True, but Daily Mail comments section is hardly representing the average British citizen let alone the average human being, otherwise I'd like to be
Anyway, Meghan is hardly the only royal coming under heavy fire!
Kate could hardly do anything right at all for a long period!
Queen Letizia were publicly called things that are against the board rules to even repeat here!

However, apart from me thinking this an extremely bad way to handle this by H&M, I think it is wiser they move on on their own. May they find happiness following their own path
But as many has pointed out, they can't be working royals and independent at the same time. That's a contradiction.
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Old 01-08-2020, 08:01 PM
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I think everyone is missing the boat. I read this on Omid Scobie Twitter. This is how Harry and Meghan plan to get news out about their work

https://mobile.twitter.com/scobie/st...86277583511552

They have thrown serious shade at the British media and took a swipe at Royal reporters. Even on break the press wrote idiotic stories about them. This approach is not a rush; given how the statement is written it was thought out. The Sussexes are not going to do quid pro quo deals with a press that constantly attacks them. The step back allows them control who they will work with.
They may try...
But the press is not going to stop writing about them, just because H&M won't co-operate. On the contrary, the press will go on the attack. Especially the British press.

And wouldn't H&M be dependent of the press to get their messages across? And get focus on the subjects they support.
If H&M (or anyone else for that matter) think they can control or manage the press, they will be in for a nasty surprise.
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Old 01-08-2020, 08:02 PM
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I’m going to take a little time away from the forums and reflect on what lead up to all of this. I’m too sad at the moment.

Happy chatting and please remain respectful to one another. I’ll be back soon.
Exactly what I am thinking...they are my favourite Royals and it will leave a big emptiness in my interest for the Royals
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Old 01-08-2020, 08:04 PM
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See Citizen-topic; most likely best to move that discussion to the topic specifically created for these discussions.
Usually, but it is related to and affected by today's announcement that they will not be living in Britain half the year.
That’s 182.5 days out of Britain.
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Old 01-08-2020, 08:10 PM
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I agree. Up to now I've felt sympathic toward Harry & Meghan but this is awful, truly awful.
Yes, absolutely.

I quite often defended Meghan or Meghan & Harry, usually gave them the benefit of the doubt, but now I’m looking at some things in a different light.
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Old 01-08-2020, 08:12 PM
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Do they get to keep their titles?
Yes. They are going to still be in the UK part of the time and involved in their patronages and whatever else they will have lined up for them.



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Old 01-08-2020, 08:14 PM
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Yes. They are going to still be in the UK part of the time and involved in their patronages and whatever else they will have lined up for them.



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We really have no idea what they will do. The Queen could very well have other plans in mind. All we know for now is that Harry and Meghan will be walking away from full time royal duties. Everything thing else is up in the air.
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Old 01-08-2020, 08:20 PM
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I think everyone is missing the boat. I read this on Omid Scobie Twitter. This is how Harry and Meghan plan to get news out about their work

https://mobile.twitter.com/scobie/st...86277583511552

They have thrown serious shade at the British media and took a swipe at Royal reporters. Even on break the press wrote idiotic stories about them. This approach is not a rush; given how the statement is written it was thought out. The Sussexes are not going to do quid pro quo deals with a press that constantly attacks them. The step back allows them control who they will work with.
It's from their website (see here) and has been briefly discussed in this topic.

Both funding (being allowed to profit from their endeavors - as Meghan did with The Tig) and media (controlling how they go about the media as celebrities instead of royals) seem to be part of what attracts them in this 'new/progressive way' of doing things.

However, it seems incompatible with royal life even though they themselves it's perfectly fine with still doing royal activities and representing the queen and government abroad.
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Old 01-08-2020, 08:26 PM
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Usually, but it is related to and affected by today's announcement that they will not be living in Britain half the year.
Of course but in this rapid moving topic, I thought it would be easiest for future reference to move the discussion
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Old 01-08-2020, 08:27 PM
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The way this was handled was truly bizarre, but if you went back five or ten years and told me that a member of the royal family was going to walk away in bizarre fashion, I don't think the who would be the least bit surprising. This is all an echo of things we've been hearing for a long time.
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Old 01-08-2020, 08:28 PM
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From Dan Wootton, who had the exclusive on the move:

"Their statement has left the Queen “deeply upset” and Charles and William “incandescent with rage”, as it “was not cleared with anyone”. I’m told the recent portrait featuring the trio and Prince George was the final straw."

"A source has told me the couple will now also work on commercial products, explaining: “Make no mistake, Harry and Meghan intend to make a lot of money and start taking commercial deals as soon as possible.”"

"The senior royal source told me the statement “breaks all protocol. This is a declaration of war on the family... Harry and Meghan wanted it their way or the highway.”"

"I’m told Harry and Meghan decided to rush out a statement after learning yesterday that The Sun was about to break the story. In doing so, courtiers say they have “exiled themselves from the royal family”."

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Old 01-08-2020, 08:29 PM
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Do you believe she ever intended to go through with it? I certainly don’t.
In hindsight, maybe she was wise not to rush into it.

Curiously though, she has in a way also rejected her home country, hasn’t she ? We don’t hear about any plans to be based part-time in the USA. It is all about Canada , a country where she was once a permanent resident ( by virtue of her job at the time), but where I believe she is not a citizen either ( correct me if I am wrong).

It is weird.
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Old 01-08-2020, 08:31 PM
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We really have no idea what they will do. The Queen could very well have other plans in mind. All we know for now is that Harry and Meghan will be walking away from full time royal duties. Everything thing else is up in the air.
I'm going by what is being said right now. We can speculate from now till Kingdom come ...all we know is what's been said.


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Old 01-08-2020, 08:32 PM
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From Dan Wootton, who had the exclusive on the move:

"Their statement has left the Queen “deeply upset” and Charles and William “incandescent with rage”, as it “was not cleared with anyone”. I’m told the recent portrait featuring the trio and Prince George was the final straw."

"A source has told me the couple will now also work on commercial products, explaining: “Make no mistake, Harry and Meghan intend to make a lot of money and start taking commercial deals as soon as possible.”"

"The senior royal source told me the statement “breaks all protocol. This is a declaration of war on the family... Harry and Meghan wanted it their way or the highway.”"

"I’m told Harry and Meghan decided to rush out a statement after learning yesterday that The Sun was about to break the story. In doing so, courtiers say they have “exiled themselves from the royal family”."

If this is true (and only time will tell) I will lose all sympathy and respect for Harry and Meghan.
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Old 01-08-2020, 08:34 PM
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As a longtime monarchist, I fully support Harry & Meghan. I will never forget the wickedness of many, the abuse towards Meghan while she was pregnant. During such a crucial time, there was no thought given about potential harm to her or her baby. And the harm to Harry as his wife & baby were targeted relentlessly.

Shame on everyone that participated in the vile behaviour, shame on those who think it wasn’t a big deal because others have previously been treated poorly by the press. In all my years following the BRF, I’ve never seen anyone who had non-stop abuse while pregnant.

It’s hurtful to see a statement from Buckingham Palace referring to disappointment now, where was that sentiment during the press abuse? I’m so glad the Sussexes have their own website & other communications to provide info to those of us who are interested. As a British expat, now living in Canada, I’m glad the Sussexes found solace here.

I pray the Sussexes will be well & wish them the best in their future!
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Old 01-08-2020, 08:37 PM
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Make no mistake, Buckingham Palace are furious about the way Harry and Meghan have handled this.
This couple only raised the issue a week ago and the family said they would work to find a way to help them facilitate what they wanted.
Generally, two weeks notice is a professional courtesy when resigning from a position...
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