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Old 01-17-2020, 04:07 PM
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The most hilarious thing about it is the notion that Rose Van Cutsem does her own tax return. Even I have an accountant & I'm definitely not in their financial league!
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I'm so glad I'm not the only person who can't figure out how to do the double quote. I've screwed up so many posts trying to do it and I never get it right.

Anyhow, it's been very clear over the years from Harry's own words that he's been looking for something. I very much believe that he thought he knew what he was looking for but I'm not sure that he really did. It was clear that he was looking for a happy and stable marriage and family and someone to really be his rock, similar to what it appears his brother found with Kate and, by extension, her family. In fact, we've heard Harry refer to William and Kate's happy marriage before with what I would call longing. I think he really thought that he had found that with Meghan but I also believe that deep down he knew that there were concerns. Yes, I'm sure the desire for children was a part of his fast actions but I also believe that deep down in his gut he was always concerned that she'd get too close and then see that she couldn't handle that life and bolt. Remember, it had already happened to him twice. So he rushed into this marriage with the need for a steady, happy, settling rock. But the truth is, Meghan's never exactly been the settled and steady type. Both in her family background and in her previous life and career she was constantly on the move and on the go. She lived in South America, Canada, etc. She was by her own admission a very free-spirited type. And, as I and many others have pointed out, she was coming from not only a broken family but an incredibly dysfunctional broken family.

I honestly think Harry was putting all his needs and hopes on this both consciously and subconsciously and then when she decided she couldn't handle this he completely fell apart and crumbled. Someone above commented about how coldly or harshly he was handling this with his family and while my first instinct was a very "how could he dare" kind of feeling, the more I think about it I think we're witnessing a very angry, heartbroken, confused man who is, once again, trying to pick up the pieces in a lifetime spent trying to pick up the pieces from various traumas and come aparts. Sometimes when we're very stressed, worried, sad, and trying our best to simply hang on we become cold and harsh with those closest to us, even when we don't really intend to. I suspect this is what we're seeing with Harry. The pictures coming out of Canada look like a woman who's set free without a care in the world where, by contrast, the pictures coming from the UK look like a man with the weight of the world on his shoulders and I think that contrast speaks volumes.
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Old 01-17-2020, 04:19 PM
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I'm sso believe that deep down he knew that there were concerns. Yes, I'm sure the desire for children was a part of his fast actions but I also believe that deep down in his gut he was always concerned that she'd get too close and then see that she couldn't handle that life and bolt. Remember, it had already happened to him twice. So he rushed into this marriage with the need for a steady, happy, settling rock. But the truth is, Meghan's never exactly been the settled and steady type. Both in her family background and in her previous life and career she was constantly on the move and on the go. She lived in South America, Canada, etc. She was by her own admission a very free-spirited type. And, as I and many others have pointed out, she was coming from not only a broken family but an incredibly dysfunctional broken family.

I honestly think Harry was putting all his needs and hopes on this both consciously and subconsciously and then when she decided she couldn't handle this he completely fell apart and crumbled. Someone above commented about how coldly or harshly he was handling this with his family and while my first instinct was a very "how could he dare" kind of feeling, the more I think about it I think we're witnessing a very angry, heartbroken, confused man who is, once again, trying to pick up the pieces in a lifetime spent trying to pick up the pieces from various traumas and come aparts. Sometimes when we're very stressed, worried, sad, and trying our best to simply hang on we become cold and harsh with those closest to us, even when we don't really intend to. I suspect this is what we're seeing with Harry. The pictures coming out of Canada look like a woman who's set free without a care in the world where, by contrast, the pictures coming from the UK look like a man with the weight of the world on his shoulders and I think that contrast speaks volumes.
But he's the one who is losing most. Even if he does want out of the RF, he's not such a callous young man that he don't care about leaving his brother and father and other relatives.. Meghan has got a position, fame, she has her baby, she has Harry (at least for now) and she probably feels she has managed to escape the lifestyle that she found she did not like...
Harry is probably beginning to realise that he can't really be half in and half out.. and that if he wants to be with Meg and his child, he is going to have to accept partial or wholescale exile to a country he's enjoyed visitng but may not enjoy living in. And from what people have said, in previous times when he has spoken about getting away its more likely that he woudl choose to live in Africa...
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Old 01-17-2020, 04:20 PM
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The comment above is one of the smartest I've read in this topic.
I agree with everything I read. I also think that's what happened. I think Harry is sad and worried. His main concern right now is saving his marriage, so he made the decision to move to Canada. Meghan definitely couldn't handle the pressure of being a member of the royal family ...
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Old 01-17-2020, 04:20 PM
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She knows how to stay 'under the radar' so she's obviously happy to be photographed at the airport, knowing it would hit the tabloids, which says to me that she's courting publicity for herself & not just for 'good causes'. I'm a supporter of Meghan's potential to be a force for good & also very sympathetic about her treatment by some of the UK press but she won't do herself any favours with the UK public if she's perceived to be directing & starring in 'The Meghan Show'.
Very, very true. That six week break where we saw not one photograph clearly proved her ability to stay under the radar. However, we've seen her three times since she returned last week. Yes, she might or might not have been spotted when she was out and about for those visits to the charity centers but an airport run? If she didn't want to be spotted she could have sent someone to pick up her friend and no one would have been the wiser. Instead she not only went but drove herself, something we haven't seen her doing in the UK because I don't believe she was allowed to without being a citizen and holding a license (correct me if I'm wrong there). Clearly she was, if not hoping to be photographed, completely okay with being photographed.
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Old 01-17-2020, 04:24 PM
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Then again, all of this "in Canada" business could be the period of adjustment as they figure out just how they're going to go ahead with things with the "Firm", with their Sussex Royal Foundation, and with their private lives.

Its maybe kind of like going through a divorce. Still married until the final decree but planning in the works of life after that decree is made final. The couple getting divorced are not going to present themselves as a happily married couple in public during that time either or pretend they are. They're most likely moving on with their lives as they wait for the final decree.

Canada's a good place for respite if you ask me.
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Old 01-17-2020, 04:25 PM
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The comment above is one of the smartest I've read in this topic.
I agree with everything I read. I also think that's what happened. I think Harry is sad and worried. His main concern right now is saving his marriage, so he made the decision to move to Canada. Meghan definitely couldn't handle the pressure of being a member of the royal family ...
Its not a happy thought.. because I can't help wondering.. IS he going to like Canada? Or is he going to miss England? Will they be able to live there most of the time or will there be issues? Because I think the idea of spending about six months a year there and 6 months in England or away from it, isn't really going to fly. Esp if Meghan prefers it and wants Can to be her full time home. They are only married 2 years and have a new baby, and I honestly do have ominous feelings about the stability of hteir marriage...
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Old 01-17-2020, 04:26 PM
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Then again, all of this "in Canada" business could be the period of adjustment as they figure out just how they're going to go ahead with things with the "Firm", with their Sussex Royal Foundation, and with their private lives.

Its maybe kind of like going through a divorce. Still married until the final decree but planning in the works of life after that decree is made final. The couple getting divorced are not going to present themselves as a happily married couple in public during that time either or pretend they are. They're most likely moving on with their lives as they wait for the final decree.

Canada's a good place for respite if you ask me.
I do realize that you're referring to the RF and the Sussexes as the two parties of the divorce. However, I was struck as I was reading your post by just how much this could seem to apply to Harry and Meghan as the two parties. See my comment above about the contrast in the images coming from Canada and the UK over the last few days.
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Old 01-17-2020, 04:28 PM
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Then again, all of this "in Canada" business could be the period of adjustment as they figure out just how they're going to go ahead with things with the "Firm", with their Sussex Royal Foundation, and with their private lives.

Its maybe kind of like going through a divorce. Still married until the final decree but planning in the works of life after that decree is made final. The couple getting divorced are not going to present themselves as a happily married couple in public during that time either or pretend they are. They're most likely moving on with their lives as they wait for the final decree.

Canada's a good place for respite if you ask me.
They spoke of spednding their time in North America.. not anywhere else.. so that kind of means the US or Canada.. They are hardly going to take off now and try and settle somewhere else...
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Old 01-17-2020, 04:36 PM
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I'm so glad I'm not the only person who can't figure out how to do the double quote. I've screwed up so many posts trying to do it and I never get it right.

Anyhow, it's been very clear over the years from Harry's own words that he's been looking for something. I very much believe that he thought he knew what he was looking for but I'm not sure that he really did. It was clear that he was looking for a happy and stable marriage and family and someone to really be his rock, similar to what it appears his brother found with Kate and, by extension, her family. In fact, we've heard Harry refer to William and Kate's happy marriage before with what I would call longing. I think he really thought that he had found that with Meghan but I also believe that deep down he knew that there were concerns. Yes, I'm sure the desire for children was a part of his fast actions but I also believe that deep down in his gut he was always concerned that she'd get too close and then see that she couldn't handle that life and bolt. Remember, it had already happened to him twice. So he rushed into this marriage with the need for a steady, happy, settling rock. But the truth is, Meghan's never exactly been the settled and steady type. Both in her family background and in her previous life and career she was constantly on the move and on the go. She lived in South America, Canada, etc. She was by her own admission a very free-spirited type. And, as I and many others have pointed out, she was coming from not only a broken family but an incredibly dysfunctional broken family.

I honestly think Harry was putting all his needs and hopes on this both consciously and subconsciously and then when she decided she couldn't handle this he completely fell apart and crumbled. Someone above commented about how coldly or harshly he was handling this with his family and while my first instinct was a very "how could he dare" kind of feeling, the more I think about it I think we're witnessing a very angry, heartbroken, confused man who is, once again, trying to pick up the pieces in a lifetime spent trying to pick up the pieces from various traumas and come aparts. Sometimes when we're very stressed, worried, sad, and trying our best to simply hang on we become cold and harsh with those closest to us, even when we don't really intend to. I suspect this is what we're seeing with Harry. The pictures coming out of Canada look like a woman who's set free without a care in the world where, by contrast, the pictures coming from the UK look like a man with the weight of the world on his shoulders and I think that contrast speaks volumes.
Oh boy, do I agree with all you said.

The pictures.......you’re spot on. I saw the pic of Harry in the car which looked like he was using or looking at his phone and thought to myself, she’s making sure you told them bah, blah, blah, jmo.

I respect all the different opinions on the forum and understand “wait and see”, but I do think the day will come when Meghan will blindside Harry.
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Old 01-17-2020, 04:36 PM
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I'm so glad I'm not the only person who can't figure out how to do the double quote. I've screwed up so many posts trying to do it and I never get it right.

Anyhow, it's been very clear over the years from Harry's own words that he's been looking for something. I very much believe that he thought he knew what he was looking for but I'm not sure that he really did. It was clear that he was looking for a happy and stable marriage and family and someone to really be his rock, similar to what it appears his brother found with Kate and, by extension, her family. In fact, we've heard Harry refer to William and Kate's happy marriage before with what I would call longing. I think he really thought that he had found that with Meghan but I also believe that deep down he knew that there were concerns. Yes, I'm sure the desire for children was a part of his fast actions but I also believe that deep down in his gut he was always concerned that she'd get too close and then see that she couldn't handle that life and bolt. Remember, it had already happened to him twice. So he rushed into this marriage with the need for a steady, happy, settling rock. But the truth is, Meghan's never exactly been the settled and steady type. Both in her family background and in her previous life and career she was constantly on the move and on the go. She lived in South America, Canada, etc. She was by her own admission a very free-spirited type. And, as I and many others have pointed out, she was coming from not only a broken family but an incredibly dysfunctional broken family.

I honestly think Harry was putting all his needs and hopes on this both consciously and subconsciously and then when she decided she couldn't handle this he completely fell apart and crumbled. Someone above commented about how coldly or harshly he was handling this with his family and while my first instinct was a very "how could he dare" kind of feeling, the more I think about it I think we're witnessing a very angry, heartbroken, confused man who is, once again, trying to pick up the pieces in a lifetime spent trying to pick up the pieces from various traumas and come aparts. Sometimes when we're very stressed, worried, sad, and trying our best to simply hang on we become cold and harsh with those closest to us, even when we don't really intend to. I suspect this is what we're seeing with Harry. The pictures coming out of Canada look like a woman who's set free without a care in the world where, by contrast, the pictures coming from the UK look like a man with the weight of the world on his shoulders and I think that contrast speaks volumes.
I don't know what pics you are looking at but the pics we have seen of Harry are from yesterday..the vast majority posted he was laughing, smiling and carrying on like a normal person, even in the little video clips. So I don't quite understand the idea that there is this contrast between he and Meghan.


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Old 01-17-2020, 04:36 PM
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One of the facts we do know is that the Queen has assented to spending part time in Canada. It makes sense then that Meghan and Harry start to establish their base there.

However, once things are worked out and set for moving forward, I would predict that both Harry and Meghan would be back and forth between the UK and Canada and when in the UK, residing at Frogmore Cottage. I just don't get the vibe that Meghan will never, ever return to the UK at all. She's staying put with her son in one place until things are resolved.

Until we know as fact that Meghan has "fled" and never to return again to royal life and duties and is snubbing all things royal and the marriage even being fraught with discord, I'm going to remain middle of the road on this.
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I think Meghan Markle recognised in Harry a Man 'discontented with his lot' in life, looking enviously at the family life his brother enjoyed with his wife and young family, and saw [clearly] that this man, with a global reach she has LONG desired, [but not independently achieved] could provide her with that fame, and 'Global platform'..

He was 'ripe for the picking'.

Now she has the Title, the platform, the child, what need has she of him any more ?
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I don't know what pics you are looking at but the pics we have seen of Harry are from yesterday..the vast majority posted he was laughing, smiling and carrying on like a normal person, even in the little video clips. So I don't quite understand the idea that there is this contrast between he and Meghan.
I'm referring to the pictures we saw of him in the car, the pictures and video we saw of him prior to the beginning of his engagement yesterday, and even the fact that those who were at the engagement spoke of how quickly he rushed through it as though he really just wanted to be finished with it. Yes, he put on his game face and was pleasant throughout the engagement but the rest of the pictures we've seen of him this week combined with the statements from those who, unlike myself, were at that engagement...he seems like a very stressed and worried man. She, on the other hand, has been pictured looking nothing less than blissfully happy. Quite the contrast.
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I have absolutely no idea what Rose Van Cutsem may or may not have posted about the DM. She's no concern of mine. I simply saw an article with a shot of the IG post and there was absolutely no ambiguity whatsoever about that post. It was quite clearly mocking the Sussex post. There's no possible way that anyone could mistake that wording. Rose is the wife of a close friend of William and Harry. Now I'm sure that someone will attempt to argue that they're really not friends, we don't actually know that, no one has ever stated in black and white that they're friends so how dare we infer a friendship there, blah blah blah. But Hugh and Rose are friends of theirs. And the IG post said, and a I quote "I am standing back as a senior member of my tax return because I'd rather drink coffee, see my friends, love my family, and do yoga." It was posted and then swiftly deleted. Everyone is, I suppose, free to think what they like of it but to me that certainly sounds like an eye rolling and mocking post and based on how fast it was deleted, I'd say she might have realized it wasn't a great idea to post. The point, though, is that she posted it at all.
Rose and Hugh van Cutsem's daughter Grace was a bridesmaid in William & Kate's wedding. Grace's first cousin, Florence (daughter of Hugh's brother Nicholas and his wife Alice) was a bridesmaid in Harry & Meghan's wedding.

So, I don't see how anyone could argue that they are not really friends.

I find Rose's post...interesting.
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I think Meghan Markle recognised in Harry a Man 'discontented with his lot' in life, looking enviously at the family life his brother enjoyed with his wife and young family, and saw [clearly] that this man, with a global reach she has LONG desired, [but not independently achieved] could provide her with that fame, and 'Global platform'..

He was 'ripe for the picking'.

Now she has the Title, the platform, the child, what need has she of him any more ?
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Old 01-17-2020, 04:45 PM
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Now she has the Title, the platform, the child, what need has she of him any more ?
Perhaps they complete each other. Perhaps they are the epitome of "you and me against the world". Perhaps they really do love each other and that was the sole reason for marriage and family to begin with. Its so easy to be cynical and see the worse in people if you're on the outside looking in and playing script writer for a soap opera which seems to be quite the lucrative business for the media at this time.

You may be totally right on the money about all this, wyevale, and then again you may not. We just don't know at this time.
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Rose and Hugh van Cutsem's daughter Grace was a bridesmaid in William & Kate's wedding. Grace's first cousin, Florence (daughter of Hugh's brother Nicholas and his wife Alice) was a bridesmaid in Harry & Meghan's wedding.

So, I don't see how anyone could argue that they are not really friends.

I find Rose's post...interesting.
I don't really understand how they could, either, but if I've learned anything over the last three years I've learned that they will.
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I do realize that you're referring to the RF and the Sussexes as the two parties of the divorce. However, I was struck as I was reading your post by just how much this could seem to apply to Harry and Meghan as the two parties. See my comment above about the contrast in the images coming from Canada and the UK over the last few days.
I don't see much contrast. Harry is seemed like the same old Harry in his element around the children and people he respects. Meghan was relaxed and happy as she was around someone important to her.

People think they know these people but we haven't a close. I remember quite well in Harry and Meghan's engagement interview when the reporter said something to the effect of "the public knew him" and Harry quickly corrected her with "they think they know me."

Exactly.
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I don't really understand how they could, either, but if I've learned anything over the last three years I've learned that they will.
Oh so very true...
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