The Duke and Duchess of Sussex to Step Back as Senior Royals: January 2020

[Mirabel]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

Meghan Markle left National Theatre bosses fuming after 'carrying on as normal' and giving no hint her patronage could be under threat during visit... just hours before royal bombshell.

Now this I can totally believe.

Yes, I was wondering what would become of her patronages.
Because I really doubt she will be spending much time in the UK in the future.

What might work is to have Beatrice and Eugenie take over Andrew's patronages (temporarily which gradually turns into permanently), have Kate and Camilla pick up Meghan's, and over time reduce Harry's.

[duchessrachel]

Originally Posted by Roderick

How would the Queen stop the wedding from happening? She can only advise and counsel, but she is not omnipotent when a grandson in his 30s decides to marry an American actress. She did what she often does in circumstances where she is not best pleased - she made the best of it.

In my opinion, Harry relied on the huge outpouring of love, understanding and sympathy he rightly received at the age of 12 when he lost his mother and seemed to believe it would last forever. As an adult, he was expected to move beyond that and be regarded and respected in his own right. He didn't like that. He crumbled when he and his wife were criticised and instead of working through it, pulled the plug in the most dramatic way he could think of.

She has to give permission.

[wyevale]

I wonder if people will get tired of M and H

I don't doubt they will - they will not always be young, glamorous, or fashionable, and neither have so abundant a talent [in any field] to compensate for the loss of those things, once middle-age arrives..

There will be an enormous amount of 'schadenfreude' on this side of the pond when this happens.

[texankitcat]

Originally Posted by Mirabel

Yes, I was wondering what would become of her patronages.
Because I really doubt she will be spending much time in the UK in the future.

What might work is to have Beatrice and Eugenie take over Andrew's patronages (temporarily which gradually turns into permanently), have Kate and Camilla pick up Meghan's, and over time reduce Harry's.

Just another example of how selfish these two are. Now patronages are left hanging concerned about the future of their Royal connection due to the irresponsible way these two handled this announcement with ZERO regard for anyone but themselves.

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by Mirabel

Yes, I was wondering what would become of her patronages.
Because I really doubt she will be spending much time in the UK in the future.

What might work is to have Beatrice and Eugenie take over Andrew's patronages (temporarily which gradually turns into permanently), have Kate and Camilla pick up Meghan's, and over time reduce Harry's.

William has already had a couple of back of house meetings with a few of Andrews' patronages. However I agree with your assessment, thankfully in a way they haven't taken on too many patronages to rehand out.

[Erin9]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

Meghan Markle left National Theatre bosses fuming after 'carrying on as normal' and giving no hint her patronage could be under threat during visit... just hours before royal bombshell.

Now this I can totally believe.

I can believe that too. It must have been a slap in the face to have her come in and act like everything was normal, only to find out a few hours later they were stepping back with NOTHING being clear. It’s still not clear what exactly this step back means.

Harry and Meghan may have intended for things to roughly stay the same with their patronages, but this is one more example of how poorly they have handled this.

This was simply not well thought out.

[King of the Jungle]

Originally Posted by O-H Anglophile

THIS--100%! It is so sad that none of this will happen, things could have been so different.

Same. For many ordinary people who support the Monarchy the British Royal Family has become trusted and familiar.
A sense of warmth and pride is built so Prince Harry's family will be missed. His role has become unpredictable.
For his brother, father and even for himself it is a time of uncertainty.

I hope it all works out well.

[Betsypaige]

Originally Posted by wyevale

I don't doubt they will - they will not always be young, glamorous, or fashionable, and neither have so abundant a talent [in any field] to compensate for the loss of those things, once middle-age arrives..

There will be an enormous amount of 'schadenfreude' on this side of the pond when this happens.

I don’t doubt it for a moment in the UK, but in America? American’s still think of him as Diana’s little boy, and they already don’t “get” the BRF or the Monarchy in general, so he’s got that going for him. Still, I wonder how he’ll feel when the British public turn on him? If he’s paying attention to the media like apparently he does, he has to know that he’s caused a great deal of self-inflicted damage to himself.

[Countessmeout]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

William has already had a couple of back of house meetings with a few of Andrews' patronages. However I agree with your assessment, thankfully in a way they haven't taken on too many patronages to rehand out.

Who said they have to be remanded out

Last time I looked part time or even junior royals have patronages. Eugenie and Beatrice have patronages and they aren't working royals.

They have never said they are going to abandon Royal duties. Just full time.

Shocked it took so long got them to regurgitate this tired story.

Back when they were engaged the tabloids tried this story. How evil Meghan had forced Harry to ditch friends and none were invited to wedding. That of course was proven wrong. But now that evil witch Meghan persona has become popular again, they regurgitate the story.

[wyevale]

American’s still think of him as Diana’s little boy,

That may be increasingly hard to maintain, as he balds/ages/puts on weight ? I hope you won't think it insulting when l say that what characterises the Hollywood milieu that seems to be their inevitable destination, is 'the NEXT big thing' ?

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by Countessmeout

Who said they have to be remanded out



Last time I looked part time or even junior royals have patronages. Eugenie and Beatrice have patronages and they aren't working royals.



They have never said they are going to abandon Royal duties. Just full time.

From my point of view, depending on the outcome of the discussion, they need to be handed out. Part time royals, if they get their wishes, can’t live half the year in another country and expect to be a royal patron.

I’m not 100% but are Beatrice and Eugenie Royal Patrons or just Patrons because there’s a difference.

From the pro-monarchist Globe and Mail in Canada;

https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/...750029824?s=21

““You are welcome to visit, but so long as you are senior royals, Canada cannot allow you to come to stay.” The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have been told by Canada’s biggest national newspaper that they are not welcome there as members of the royal family”

Do they lose their senior royal status by becoming part time royals? Henry is still 6th in line to the throne.

[Countessmeout]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

From my point of view, depending on the outcome of the discussion, they need to be handed out. Part time royals, if they get their wishes, can’t live half the year in another country and expect to be a royal patron.

I’m not 100% but are Beatrice and Eugenie Royal Patrons or just Patrons because there’s a difference.

From the pro-monarchist Globe and Mail in Canada;

https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/...750029824?s=21

““You are welcome to visit, but so long as you are senior royals, Canada cannot allow you to come to stay.” The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have been told by Canada’s biggest national newspaper that they are not welcome there as members of the royal family” u

Do they lose their senior royal status by becoming part time royals? Henry is still 6th in line to the throne.

No they become part time royals by stepping down as senior royals. Which is what they said. We are stepping back from being senior royals.


Beatrice abd Eugenie are royal patrons. Including Beatrice with the royal ballet school. Just because they aren't working royals doesn't mean that.

Beatrice lives back and forth between USA and UK. Eugenie did too. Neither had an issue with keeping patronages. No reason these two can't.


And Canada has said they are more then welcome here. We simply said they will need to go the normal route, no special treatment.

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by wyevale

That may be increasingly hard to maintain, as he balds/ages/puts on weight ? I hope you won't think it insulting when l say that what characterises the Hollywood milieu that seems to be their inevitable destination, is 'the NEXT big thing' ?

I would add another thing. When the Cambridge children are in their 20s and 30s , they will be the media magnets and little attention will be paid to the Sussexes or poor Archie. They will be like Andrew and his daughters basically.

Maybe the decision of the Sussexes to transition to celebrities living in North America might be precisely to escape that fate. Otherwise , they could have resigned themselves to being dignified , older working royals like Princess Anne, but Meghan might think of that as “ merely surviving , not thriving” or being held back.

[duchessrachel]

Originally Posted by Betsypaige

I don’t doubt it for a moment in the UK, but in America? American’s still think of him as Diana’s little boy, and they already don’t “get” the BRF or the Monarchy in general, so he’s got that going for him. Still, I wonder how he’ll feel when the British public turn on him? If he’s paying attention to the media like apparently he does, he has to know that he’s caused a great deal of self-inflicted damage to himself.

I am an American and I don't still think of him as Diana's little boy, and this is coming from someone who used to be a big fan of Diana's. I think he needs to grow up. The sooner he realizes that you can't have your cake and eat it too, the quicker he will begin making wiser decisions.

[caethi]

'She was really great': Meghan Markle visits women's shelter on Vancouver's Downtown Eastside


Meghan visited a women's shelter in Vancouver's downtown east side (one of the poorest neighbourhoods in all of Canada) yesterday. There is a photo. While her interest in women's issues has been clear and constant, in my opinion, this is the kind of thing that sets her up for criticism in the short term. She and Harry are "stepping back" but she is already visiting an agency and being photographed with the staff. Until the dust settles, and they have a clear plan, you would think that any such visits should be kept private. Of course, maybe this is part of the plan that she and Harry developed weeks, if not months ago.

[texankitcat]

Originally Posted by wyevale

That may be increasingly hard to maintain, as he balds/ages/puts on weight ? I hope you won't think it insulting when l say that what characterises the Hollywood milieu that seems to be their inevitable destination, is 'the NEXT big thing' ?

Yep! Hollywood is pure shallowness. I see botox, hair plugs, filler, injections, liposuction, personal trainers, spiritual healers and tattoos in their future. Have at it kids.

[maria-olivia]

In our Belgian newspaper they are comparing Prince Harry to Prince Laurent !

[Betsypaige]

Originally Posted by wyevale

That may be increasingly hard to maintain, as he balds/ages/puts on weight ? I hope you won't think it insulting when l say that what characterises the Hollywood milieu that seems to be their inevitable destination, is 'the NEXT big thing' ?

Considering society’s fascination with the young and beautiful, I wouldn’t be surprised. It’s not insulting to me at all - I’m not into celebrity and I have no interest in Hollywood. I agree with you!

[King of the Jungle]

Yes, Meghan sends an ambiguous message about her respect for the Queen's process.

[ACO]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

I would add another thing. When the Cambridge children are in their 20s and 30s , they will be the media magnets and little attention will be paid to the Sussexes or poor Archie. They will be like Andrew and his daughters basically.

Maybe the decision of the Sussexes to transition to celebrities living in North America might be precisely to escape that fate. Otherwise , they could have resigned themselves to being dignified , older working royals like Princess Anne, but Meghan might think of that as “ merely surviving , not thriving” or being held back.

Here is to hoping in 20 -30 years we not in this same place again. This move might be the best thing for them all in the long run.