The Duke and Duchess of Sussex to Step Back as Senior Royals: January 2020

[Pranter]

Originally Posted by Erin9

I think that is something they needed address directly, especially since that was coming from Tom Bradby. So- good.

That and the bullying.

I think that's the end of Bradby's relationship (whatever it was) with the Wales boys.


LaRae

[O-H Anglophile]

Originally Posted by muriel

I would be surprised if such a rule were to be implemented today.

It probably would be if Archie were in George's position.

[Ista]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

I would assume they are expected to pay for their home in Canada themselves. That is the minimum definition of “ financial independence “ .

For most adults that would be a reasonable expectation. It seems that in this case, the definition of "financial independence" is flexible and open to debate, so I guess we'll see. It would definitely make a dent in Harry's private fortune, whatever that amount is.

[muriel]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

I would assume they are expected to pay for their home in Canada themselves. That is the minimum definition of “ financial independence “ .

Ahmmmm, I think it means they will use Daddy's money to pay for their own home, and refer to it as "financial independence".

[Muhler]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

As I expected. Even more so with a PM like Trudeau who is personally friends with Meghan.

We have to wait for official confirmation, but basically British police cannot provide 24/7 protection on a permanent basis in a sovereign foreign country. If H&M want to live most of the year ( or at least a significant part of the year) in Canada and have public security , the Canadian police will have to do it. From what I understood from our fellow Canadian posters ( than you again!), it will be the RCMP, that is, the federal/national police, that will be responsible for protecting them.

Edit: should we assume they have already figured out the immigration situation also? If so, I am waiting for the political fallout in Canada.

Sorry?

[suztav]

Originally Posted by Ista

Agreed. However, I've already been astonished at some of the things the Sussexes have done, and their willingness to air things that most royals would never give friends permission to say, or wouldn't say themselves to reporters. And to flout a direct request from the Queen and Prince Charles. So. We'll see.

Sadly, you are correct

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by Muhler

Sorry?

Canada apparently has a national police, as well as provincial and municipal police ( in some provinces and some municipalities). I asked the Canadian posters who would be responsible for the Sussexes’ security and they explained it would be the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, that is, the federal police.

I was thanking them for clarifying that point.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Ista

For most adults that would be a reasonable expectation. It seems that in this case, the definition of "financial independence" is flexible and open to debate, so I guess we'll see. It would definitely make a dent in Harry's private fortune, whatever that amount is.

Harry's private fortune is said to be about £30m and meghan has some money too.. but I dotn think they will pay for a house, I suspect Charles will do tat....

[Alison H]

I can’t imagine for one second that there’s any question of anyone trying to seize custody of Archie! It’s a long and tiring flight from Vancouver to London, not to mention an 8 hour time difference leading to jet lag. If Meghan was planning on going straight back, which she clearly was, I assume that she just didn’t want to put a young child through all that twice in the space of a few days.

I’ve had just had a boring accountancy news e-mail update which I get as part of my job, and the headline of that is the possible tax implications of Harry and Meghan’s move! Not only are they the headlines of the news, they’re even the headlines of accountancy news e-mails!

[tihkon2]

Originally Posted by Helen.CH

After all the RF hardly has born british blood, they are Germans to a very high percentage tüif really looked at. LOL

No. They're really not. Prince Phillip and his children maybe, but the Queen is half British, and Prince William and Prince Harry are 3/4 British, and Prince George and Siblings are like 7/8 British. You can thank the Queen Mother, Diana Princess of Wales, and The Duchess of Cambridge for that. :-)

[Muhler]

Well, if the Canadian PM - according to the British press - has ensured QEII that Canada will pay for H&M's security while they stay in Canada, logic says that there are serious discussions about H&M going to live there at least for an extended period.
I.e. way more than five months, otherwise it would not make sense for Canada to pay the whole bill (and as such presumably being in full charge of their protection) as a shorter stay would be covered mainly by Britain. In the shape of royal protection officers.

So how is Canada to, shall we say, circumnavigate the rules on permanent residences and immigration?
And how is the reaction in the Canadian press?

- I read a headline somewhere suggesting that H&M will live in Toronto. Meghan seemingly has a close friend there.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by tihkon2

No. They're really not. Prince Phillip and his children maybe, but the Queen is half British, and Prince William and Prince Harry are 3/4 British, and Prince George and Siblings are like 7/8 British. You can thank the Queen Mother, Diana Princess of Wales, and The Duchess of Cambridge for that. :-)

Philip is of German and Danish descent, but I can't see that the rest of the RF are....

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by tihkon2

No. They're really not. Prince Phillip and his children maybe, but the Queen is half British, and Prince William and Prince Harry are 3/4 British, and Prince George and Siblings are like 7/8 British. You can thank the Queen Mother, Diana Princess of Wales, and The Duchess of Cambridge for that. :-)

What ? How is the Queen “ half British” if both her parents and grandparents were all born in Britain ( including Queen Mary) ?

[Ista]

I'm going to include some links here to commentary in The Guardian as they live blog the so-called summit

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...sussex-william

"It is being reported in London’s Evening Standard that the Canadian prime minister, Justin Trudeau, has privately assured the Queen that the commonwealth country would pick up the bill for security for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex if they were to move to Canada as has been mooted.

That could prove contentious domestically for Trudeau. Dr Barry Mackenzie, a Canadian royal historian, was asked about exactly this on BBC Radio 5 live this morning, and said: “That I think is going to be a sticking point for Canadians. And even though this whole scenario seems to have done a lot to make Canadians sympathetic to the situation in which the Queen finds herself, at the same, if this arrangement means that Canadians are going to have to pick up that bill, then I do fear that may be fodder for republicans, who already complain about the fact that the monarchy is expensive.”

We heard similar views when we asked our Canadian readers what they thought about the proposed move."

Pertaining to the rules for commercial activity:

"The Press Association have just put out a report outlining the existing rules by which members of the royal family are allowed to carry out commercial activities. They could form the starting point for any agreement that comes out of today’s summit meeting. They were devised almost 20 years ago, in the wake of a scandal when the Countess of Wessex was accused of cashing in on her royal status in an attempt to win business for her PR firm.

Under the rules, royals have to first consult the Lord Chamberlain before taking on a new business activity. They could be seen as an impediment to the kind of independence that Harry and Meghan appear to be seeking.

The guidelines also stressed that anyone connected with a business activity “should be carefully briefed not to try to exploit, either deliberately or inadvertently, the member of the royal family’s position, associations or access”.

At the time the rules were introduced there were also calls for a register of royal interests, similar to that operated by MPs, listing the business interests or shareholdings of members of the royal family. This was not introduced, with palace officials warning it could be exploited as an unofficial endorsement.

It does throw into sharp relief one of the contradictions at the heart of the Sussexes’ bid for commercial freedom. Their worth in terms of endorsements and commercial exploitation rest, at least on Prince Harry’s side, almost entirely on being a member of the royal family. It is difficult to see how any work by the proposed “Sussex Royal” brand (see 10:50) can be anything other than tied up with their connections to the monarchy."

[Helen.CH]

Originally Posted by tihkon2

No. They're really not. Prince Phillip and his children maybe, but the Queen is half British, and Prince William and Prince Harry are 3/4 British, and Prince George and Siblings are like 7/8 British. You can thank the Queen Mother, Diana Princess of Wales, and The Duchess of Cambridge for that. :-)

I know this and was talking about the older generation, the house of Windsor has risen from Germans.....😉

[rob2008]

One of the key challenges for HMQ is to adjust either or both of (1) the official and the (2) royal household orders of precedence.

Concievably, Harry could retain his titles and royal style but be 'liberated' from the social conventions that tie him and his wife down. Informally they could no longer function as royal nor enjoy the consequences/ constraints of royal status. That way, he doesnt have to suffer the pain of people bowing to him and deferring to him at receptions, dinners, etc. This could be a 'progressive' solution. Like any 'average' individual, they would still be classed as security risks and therefore qualify for police protection that is in the public interest.

[Marengo]

Originally Posted by Helen.CH

I know this and was talking about the older generation, the house of Windsor has risen from Germans.....��

So did the Anglo-Saxons so I suppose we could say the same for most people in the UK .

[marlene]

I would be shocked if Trudeau actually said that Canada would pick up the tab for their security. It would never fly with Canadians, not in a billion, million ,trazillion years would they happily accept it.

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by Muhler

Feel free to delete if this has been posted before.

According to Evening Standard, the Canadian PM has pledged that Canada will cover the security costs while H&M are in Canada.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/c...-a4332906.html

If this is true, then I guess Trudeau and the Liberal Party are tired of being in power and want to go back to the political Siberia they were in following the 2011 elections

[leene]

I do not understand it anymore.They want more freedom, rigth? Charles wants a slimmed down monarchy.. so in that case I can understand it that they want to live abroad for a while.. maybe to find out how they want to shape their lives.
This is actually not so strange and also happens in other royal famillies. I already mentioned the Dutch royal family. The Danish prince Joachim and his wife Marie live abroad etc and have jobs.



It seems the problem is that they want it all.. and financial compensation and their titles and protection where ever they live , so that is not really financial independence Or is this all not true and only gutter press ( or whatever you name that in english).

What exactly makes it such a big thing ... what do they want?