The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 7: Oct. 2022 -

[Granada]

Curryong, I just want to say as an American, the Sussex's popularity and credibility has MOST certainly tanked here.
Right, left, middle of the road, selling out your OWN Family, FOR MONEY and making salacious accusations really doesn't resonate for the long term with *most* People. Whether they be uninterested or casual observers, or committed Royalty Fans.

Especially NOW, where they have insisted their American raised children claim "their birthright" and be referred to as Prince-Princess.

The shameless hypocrisy of that too was really laughable. They have spent years now claiming how "trapped" and marginalized they were by the very Institution of Monarchy, but they want Titles for their children. Why ?

That's why the South Park Skit was so powerful and popular, it absolutely lambasted The Sussex's continuous weaponizing and monetizing of their self proclaimed "victimhood" in their vendetta against The Royal Family.

I don't think long term The Book, Netflix Series, Podcasts, or these Interviews will add lustre or prestige to The Sussex's quest to be credible and influential Global Superstars. Just the opposite, especially in Harry's case, with his attempts to be a Mental Health Champion.

Attacking your Family non stop, airing allegations and dirty laundry between your Father and Brother, while accepting zero personal blame OR any responsibility AND touting reliance on deep drug use, doesn't exactly inspire confidence in leadership there either.

And as for The Book sales, I still maintain down the line Harry will regret it. When I think of him selling out his Family in cheap, tawdry and inflammatory "tales", I think of this Bible quote......

"What does it profit a man to gain the whole World, but lose his own Soul? "

I doubt Harry is even aware of it, or its cautionary meaning.

[Magnolia471]

Originally Posted by Athena41

From the UK Sunday Times Best sellers data, 'Spare' hardcover sales Week by week

Week 1: 467,185*

Week 2: 82,540

Week 3: 37,145

Week 4: 21,320

Week 5: 13,970

Week 6: 10,470

Week 7: 6,510

Week 8: 6,305**

Total: 645,445

(* includes pre-orders)

(**includes Gabor Maté livestream free book with ticket)

8 weeks and it still hasn't even reached a million the book is not doing well. The NY Times just like the Forbes rich list means nothing. It can be brought the same goes for the awards.

Do you know how many copies he sold in US? Some sources indicate 1.4 million other 3.4 millions🤔

[Toledo]

Originally Posted by Curryong

One SouthPark episode certainly didn’t destroy ‘Spare’. It’s still selling around the world. A lot of people in the public eye, like Tom Cruise for instance, were made fun of in South Park. Didn’t destroy them and it hasn’t destroyed Harry or Meghan.

And it’s been eight weeks on the NY Times bestseller list as of today.

https://www.nytimes.com/books/best-sellers/

Their credibility was destroyed by the show since the episode opened the eyes of how ridiculous the claims for privacy are. Best part became an instant meme, attack journalism by becoming a journalist. Here, in the USA, they went from sympathetic to ridicule after it aired.

To recover from that they need to listen to PR team not crowded with Yes-people and change the strategy of selective outrage. Focus on charity work and becoming real activists, not a comedy show running stand ups on past or unfounded grievances against the institution that gave them the titles.

[Denville]

Does it matter? The book is rubbish and shows up how very nasty he can be, the fact that a lot of people bought it, does not mean that the author is an admirable person

[shady lady]

Originally Posted by Denville

Does it matter? The book is rubbish and shows up how very nasty he can be, the fact that a lot of people bought it, does not mean that the author is an admirable person

I agree, a point has definitely been missed in terms of quantity v quality and popularity v infamy. How many copies a book sells means absolutely nothing.

[Toledo]

Originally Posted by shady lady

I agree, a point has definitely been missed in terms of quantity v quality and popularity v infamy. How many copies a book sells means absolutely nothing.

Popularity vs infamy, you really hit the nail with the hammer on that one.

Re books and the so called NY best sellers scandals, over here in the USA the son in law of our former got into the # 1 spot when using campaign funds to buy thousands of books ahead of time. It's a common practice for bookstores and other organizations to mass buy books and cause the charts to give you a higher spot on the best sellers list.

[Denville]

Infamy is a little strong, dont you think?

[Toledo]

No. It fits like a glove.

per dictionary.com
Infamy is often used interchangeably with the word notoriety, which is the state or quality of being notorious—famous or well-known for a negative reason. But while notoriety can be used in a more neutral way to mean about the same thing as fame, infamy is always used negatively and usually involves a bad reputation.

Bad reputation = can any family member could feel free around either of them to have a serious and private conversation that might end up in a new book, series or movie or worst, Oprah?

But to give them credit, I think Meghan has better common sense than Harry and if the coronation gives them private time with King Charles, he should talk to her first. Meghan has more maturity and control of her image when compared to Harry's. And if u don't think so, get me started on his nazi uniform moment or the lip balm that reminds him of mommy...

Got to go now, a second cup of coffee and some snow shoveling outside waits for me. Bye for a few hrs.

[shady lady]

Originally Posted by Denville

Infamy is a little strong, dont you think?

No I don't think so.

from the Collins dictionary:

Infamy is the state of being infamous.

Infamous people or things are well-known because of something bad.

Trashing your family repeatedly for money, revealing very personal details about them without their consent, humiliating and embarrassing people who have the misfortune to have crossed your path in the past (Pat and SW), accusing your family of being racist (and even accepting an award for doing so) then back pedalling on this two years later by which time the damage to the RF has been done, putting the Royal Family, service men and women and the population of the UK (including myself) in danger by describing the people he killed in Afghanistan as chess pieces, allegations of bullying staff, using your lawyer attack dogs to threaten and/or sue people on a regular basis, getting at least two TV presenters cancelled...shall I continue?

It ain't good stuff, that's for sure.

All my own opinion, of course!

[Denville]

Harry and Meghan are certainly an unpleasant pair, but have they raped anyone, killed anyone illegally? Infamy has a connotation of very serius evil, as FDR said of the Japanese invasion. They are just two spoiled selfish people, wiht an unpleasant dark side, who seem to egg each other on to worse behavour.

[Ista]

Let's move on from debating correct definitions of words, it's derailing the thread.

[Winnie]

Originally Posted by Denville

Does it matter? The book is rubbish and shows up how very nasty he can be, the fact that a lot of people bought it, does not mean that the author is an admirable person

Absolutely correct.

[TLLK]

Originally Posted by Granada

Curryong, I just want to say as an American, the Sussex's popularity and credibility has MOST certainly tanked here.
Right, left, middle of the road, selling out your OWN Family, FOR MONEY and making salacious accusations really doesn't resonate for the long term with *most* People. Whether they be uninterested or casual observers, or committed Royalty Fans.

Especially NOW, where they have insisted their American raised children claim "their birthright" and be referred to as Prince-Princess.

The shameless hypocrisy of that too was really laughable. They have spent years now claiming how "trapped" and marginalized they were by the very Institution of Monarchy, but they want Titles for their children. Why ?

That's why the South Park Skit was so powerful and popular, it absolutely lambasted The Sussex's continuous weaponizing and monetizing of their self proclaimed "victimhood" in their vendetta against The Royal Family.

I don't think long term The Book, Netflix Series, Podcasts, or these Interviews will add lustre or prestige to The Sussex's quest to be credible and influential Global Superstars. Just the opposite, especially in Harry's case, with his attempts to be a Mental Health Champion.

Attacking your Family non stop, airing allegations and dirty laundry between your Father and Brother, while accepting zero personal blame OR any responsibility AND touting reliance on deep drug use, doesn't exactly inspire confidence in leadership there either.

And as for The Book sales, I still maintain down the line Harry will regret it. When I think of him selling out his Family in cheap, tawdry and inflammatory "tales", I think of this Bible quote......

"What does it profit a man to gain the whole World, but lose his own Soul? "

I doubt Harry is even aware of it, or its cautionary meaning.

Granada you are absolutely correct. While Spare has continued to sell well, the couple's popularity has plummeted in recent months. The South Park episode and a recent Saturday Night live skit reflect that many Americans see them as figures to be made fun of instead of the global leaders that they aspired to be. A growing number of Americans polled, believe that the couple's titles should be removed.

https://www.newsweek.com/why-prince-...ilibet-1786536

[Sionevar]

Has it been mentioned here yet that the hearing for Harry's case against Associated Newspapers Ltd (ANL) is taking place this Friday, March 17th?

Applications to watch or listen to the proceedings had to be submitted by end of day March 13th. Applicants had to acknowledge that recording or broadcasting the hearing would be a punishable offence. I wonder if that is standard language, or if they chose to highlight that rule for this case in particular, given who the claimant is?

It will be interesting to see how long the hearing takes, and what information comes out in the process.

[suztav]

[QUOTE=TLLK;2537971]Granada you are absolutely correct. While Spare has continued to sell well, the couple's popularity has plummeted in recent months. The South Park episode and a recent Saturday Night live skit reflect that many Americans see them as figures to be made fun of instead of the global leaders that they aspired to be. A growing number of Americans polled, believe that the couple's titles should be removed.

https://www.newsweek.com/why-prince-...ilibet-1786536[/QUOTE


Absolutely correct! The Chris Rock piece on Netflix was incredibly damning coming from the POV of an African-American.

[Ghost]

Can any UK contributors confirm that the book is now on sale to be cleared at 2.75 quids in tesco?

[HenRach Dominion]

Now, I don't speak for all Americans, but I would presume that the vast majority of Americans don't care about TRH the Sussexes or the British Royal Family. Yes, the former are being routinely mock in American media, which I would presume they're not happy about (although their main audiences seems to be upper or upper-middle class left-leaning folks that wouldn't be the general audiences for South Park, Chris Rock, or Saturday Night Live), but it's moreso for their hypocrisy and overexposure (think Kardashians) rather than out of anger on the BRF's behalf. Remember, a good chunk of American royal fans still see Diana, Princess of Wales as the Madonna who was abused by TM The King and Queen.

To quote a show, "Hate implies investment, I'm apathetic to it."

[shady lady]

Originally Posted by Ghost

Can any UK contributors confirm that the book is now on sale to be cleared at 2.75 quids in tesco?

No, not yet but it's only a matter of time. From the briefest of glimpses I saw it on sale for £8 the other day, possibly in a supermarket.

There is a well known discount book store in the UK which will no doubt start to sell it at some point as surplus hardback stock - maybe once the paperback version is out (no doubt with extra chapters; oh joy!)

Which means one way or another we'll all be lumbered with seeing it in the shops for some time yet

[Archduchess Zelia]

Originally Posted by shady lady

No, not yet but it's only a matter of time. From the briefest of glimpses I saw it on sale for £8 the other day, possibly in a supermarket.

There is a well known discount book store in the UK which will no doubt start to sell it at some point as surplus hardback stock - maybe once the paperback version is out (no doubt with extra chapters; oh joy!)

Which means one way or another we'll all be lumbered with seeing it in the shops for some time yet

That can be said for virtually all biographies though

[Katymcwaity]

Originally Posted by Sionevar

Has it been mentioned here yet that the hearing for Harry's case against Associated Newspapers Ltd (ANL) is taking place this Friday, March 17th?

Applications to watch or listen to the proceedings had to be submitted by end of day March 13th. Applicants had to acknowledge that recording or broadcasting the hearing would be a punishable offence. I wonder if that is standard language, or if they chose to highlight that rule for this case in particular, given who the claimant is?

It will be interesting to see how long the hearing takes, and what information comes out in the process.

Its a standard line. The rules have changed slightly recently as we now get judgements recorded but I guess they are recorded by the court and distributed. No doubt, the newspapers will have got their applications in.