The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 7: Oct. 2022 -

[Claire]

Originally Posted by Denville

why? Why is it forcing C's hand? Im sure he is just ignoring htem as much as possible....

As other have noted Charles (and his advisors) have failed to release the letter patents and clear up the titles. They issued the POW patent - it could have been done. They seem to be following a wait and see approach - inaction is sometimes the worse action you can take.

Charles might be very happy to have Prince Archie and Princess Lili running about the US now - but for someone that is advocating a smaller leaner monarchy. Double standards.

[Ghost]

For me, the only thing out of this very private statement from their very private spokeperson is only a confirmation of how hungry they are for those titles. If there was any doubt about their characters, now the doubt has been clarified. It goes hand in hand with Harry’s answer in one of the interviews when asked about renouncing the titles: what does that change!? And his expression said it all, “not in a million years.”

[TLLK]

Originally Posted by SirGyamfi1

You tell their fans and supporters. There is a definite contradiction in there and proves what people who aren’t fans of them have thought.

Bingo!! The couple continues to make contradictions between their words and actions.

[wbenson]

The King hasn't done anything about it for six months, but it was pretty clear before his accession that this was going to be a much more delicate situation than had been imagined when it first started to be reported that he wanted to make a change in the future. And Elizabeth II had every opportunity to do it herself, but it's clear to me that she didn't want to for one reason or another; she had no problem expanding the rules in 2012, but the issue of younger sons' children was always reported as being an issue for Charles to deal with.

[Denville]

why? No matter what Charles did he was goig to get flak from the Sussexes. if he took away the titles he would be accused of being raicst. If he leaves them, for soem reason he is also bad. what difference does it make if there are 2 kids in the US with princely titles? THey are not getting paid by the British tax payer.

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by Claire

As other have noted Charles (and his advisors) have failed to release the letter patents and clear up the titles. They issued the POW patent - it could have been done. They seem to be following a wait and see approach - inaction is sometimes the worse action you can take.

Charles might be very happy to have Prince Archie and Princess Lili running about the US now - but for someone that is advocating a smaller leaner monarchy. Double standards.

Regardless of the legal status of the children's titles in the UK, I can't see the point of calling them "Prince" and "Princess" in America, where those titles are not recognized.


Do Archie and Lilibet have the prefix Prince or Princess in their US passports? When they enroll in school in California, will they be registered as "Prince Archie" and "Princess Lilibet"? It looks nonsensical to me.

[TLLK]

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria

HenRach Dominion posted the article here: https://www.theroyalforums.com/forum...ml#post2535787



The 1917 Letters Patent likewise allow their father to be known as HRH, but he agreed in 2020 to cease using it.

On the one hand, it might seem strange for HRH to be used for the children but not for their parents, as it could give the impression of the children outranking their parents. On the other hand, the children will not be involved anytime soon in business activities, which is most likely the true reason the parents were requested to desist from using their HRHs (the official reason was that it was because they were no longer working royals).



Certainly, but here was nothing unethical or objectionable in regard to Rebecca English's reporting of the palace's briefing, and the reputation of the Daily Mail in general does not discredit her or her information, especially as others have reported being told the same information.



I doubt that any of the British princes and princesses have had their titles used in everyday conversation when they were children.

I have read that the Queen waited until her children's 18th birthdays to request that the courtiers and staff address them as HRH Prince/Princess.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

Regardless of the legal status of the children's titles in the UK, I can't see the point of calling them "Prince" and "Princess" in America, where those titles are not recognized.


Do Archie and Lilibet have the prefix Prince or Princess in their US passports? When they enroll in school in California, will they be registered as "Prince Archie" and "Princess Lilibet"? It looks nonsensical to me.

but its up to them. If they want to call the children Prince Archie or Just Archie etc. that's their parents' choice to do what they wish for them. Just as Ed and Sophie chose for their children to be known as children of an earl... unless they chose otherwise when they were 18.

[acdc1]

Originally Posted by Granada

Removing Beatrice and Eugenie Titles would be a very poor response. Why should they ?
The Sussex's Children have NEVER had them "recognized" to begin with, since Charles assumed The Throne, according to the Royal Family website no less.
This was just another cat and mouse game by The Sussex's in their continuous quest to challenge Charles and William.
We don't know if the children were "given" the Titles either. The Sussex's just moved to proclaim them.

The kids were never referred to as Prince-Princess in the Netflix Series OR Book either, interestingly enough.

There was no reason to even announce Lili's Baptism, let alone refer to her as Princess Lilibet. Except 'to fire a shot against the bow' and spark controversy about The Sussex's Children's Titles.

I will be very, very disappointed if Charles doesn't move fast to issue new Letters Patent to restrict the The HRH Prince-Princess to just William's kids, then George's. I dont care how he words it retroactively either, since he became King.

The longer this ambiguous situation festers the worse and more farce like it becomes.
Are The Sussex's ALWAYS going to be in control ? Sure looks that way, the Royal Family weaker, dominated, diminished and playing a losing hand to them. Sure seems that way to Me.


American Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet will only use their Titles in "formal occasions" they say.....I'd be curious for the Sussex's to define "formal" ..since they redefine nearly every else to meet their own definitions.

The thing is, the time for Charles to have issued Letters Patent has already passed. It should have been done long ago, before ANY of the grandchildren (including William's children) were born.

[Denville]

so how could Charles issue letters patent, when he was not king?

[HenRach Dominion]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

Regardless of the legal status of the children's titles in the UK, I can't see the point of calling them "Prince" and "Princess" in America, where those titles are not recognized.


Do Archie and Lilibet have the prefix Prince or Princess in their US passports? When they enroll in school in California, will they be registered as "Prince Archie" and "Princess Lilibet"? It looks nonsensical to me.

I wonder whether or not they'll go by Archie Sussex and Lilibet Sussex in America since they're officially HRH Prince Archie of Sussex and HRH Princess Lilibet of Sussex (similar to the Wales's children)?

[Denville]

Originally Posted by HenRach Dominion

I wonder whether or not they'll go by Archie Sussex and Lilibet Sussex in America since they're officially HRH Prince Archie of Sussex and HRH Princess Lilibet of Sussex (similar to the Wales's children)?

I'd say that at school in the US they will hve to use their surname which is Mountbatten Windsor.

[TLLK]

Originally Posted by acdc1

The thing is, the time for Charles to have issued Letters Patent has already passed. It should have been done long ago, before ANY of the grandchildren (including William's children) were born.

That would have had to happen during the Queen's reign and it appears that was not something she wished to do. The children of Prince Harry were not going to be styled/titled as HRH Prince/Princess until Charles' ascension.



The Letter Patent issued in 2012 for the children of Prince William reflected the change to absolute primogeniture rather than male primogeniture. It stated that all the children born to the eldest child of the Prince of Wales (then Charles) would enjoy a princely title and style, not just the eldest son.

[FigTree]

Originally Posted by Denville

why? No matter what Charles did he was goig to get flak from the Sussexes. if he took away the titles he would be accused of being raicst. If he leaves them, for soem reason he is also bad. what difference does it make if there are 2 kids in the US with princely titles? THey are not getting paid by the British tax payer.

Exactly who cares. Except them. Tells us everything we need to know about them.

There is debate over whether they will be entitled to the HRH though.

Basically just Russian emigres rushing around with useless titles.

[kimebear]

I'm not sure why people are saying that Archie and Lilibet's titles will not be recognized in the US.

US citizens may not carry titles (ahem Meghan), but we know that at least Archie has dual citizenship and, most likely, Lilibet does too. Just because they will be called Archie and Lilibet day to day in California, and not Prince/Princess, doesn't mean that their titles will not be 'recognized' which is a legal term.

Harry is still Prince Harry when he does his talk show circuit, and when the Queen came to the US for a State Visit, no one referred to her as Mrs. Elizabeth Windsor. Under the appropriate circumstances, it can be assumed that Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet will be addressed as such unless King Charles revokes the titles officially.

[Alison H]

How many days is it since Harry said that Archie and Lilibet wouldn't thrive in the same way if they hadn't "escaped" the royal environment? Four?

On a different note, the Daily Mirror phone hacking trial, involving Harry, is to start on May 9th.

https://www.itv.com/news/2023-03-08/...hacking-claims

[Erin9]

I’ll be honest- my first instinct was to laugh/RME that the Sussexes have decided to use Prince/ess for their American raised kids who have spent almost zero time in the UK- and if past history is any indication- won’t be in the future. Same people who constantly complain about everything royal/their family except for nice little perks such as this.

These are the people with their monogrammed cypher as their doormat after all.

I just shake my head with them.

Charles was in something of a no win situation with them after their complaints on Oprah.

And the christening for this UK Princess was in California. Did anyone from their families attend? I assume Doria.

[sophie25]

Titles apart, shouldn't Charles have gone to the baptism, she is his grandaughter after all?

[Denville]

was he invited?

[FigTree]

He is better off just leaving them too it. They don't look like they will be raised in the UK. Their titles are just decoration. It is nothing. I hope for Louis' children sakes that they stop this with Harrys and his children have more of a chance to be 'normal.'

Why to keep that generational pain going.