The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 7: Oct. 2022 -

[soapstar]

Originally Posted by Curryong

The Sussexes had kept details of the correspondence private but confirmed receipt after a royal aide briefed Britain’s Times of London on Saturday that an invitation had been sent out.

According to Roya Nikkhah (the author of the Times article). She wasn’t briefed by a Royal aide.

For the record, this is incorrect. No royal aide briefed me that an invitation to the Coronation had been sent to the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. I asked a question. I got an answer.

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[Alisa]

For the sake of Archie and Lillie I do hope the couple attends.

Opportunities for Archie and Lillie to meet their British royal relatives are few and far in between and will become more so as the grow and move into compulsory education.

I would love to see one photo of King Charles surrounded by ALL his grand children.

[Asteria12]

Originally Posted by Toledo

The event already took place at 12 PM noon time and 5 PM GMTime. Here's the outcome from an article 2 hours ago.

Prince Harry Receives Mental Health Diagnosis During Controversial Public Therapy Session
By Michael Hein - Sat March 4, 2023 05:26 pm EST

Hope they made a lot of money for this Random House stunt. In my opinion, this was not professional and exploiting Harry's mental health issues for a fee, like in a circus, is just a grotesque violation of medical confidentiality.

I'm now wondering if this stunt from Random House was part of the mandatory conditions for Harry to meet. If so, I'm starting to question his ability to make rational decisions is causing other people to manipulate him even more. And that is my free Fake-agnosis. This afternoon I thought it was a serious event and now I see the fine print was to exploit Harry...

Thanks for this post Toledo, I think you are correct. This was a Random House event to push further sales of the book, with a hope of getting some sales for their other Author too on the back of their VIP Royal. Harry may have been contractually obliged to do it, but he didn't appear reluctant in any way to participate, so I'd suggest he was happy to have another opportunity to push his agenda along.

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by Alisa

For the sake of Archie and Lillie I do hope the couple attends.

Opportunities for Archie and Lillie to meet their British royal relatives are few and far in between and will become more so as the grow and move into compulsory education.

I would love to see one photo of King Charles surrounded by ALL his grand children.

Even if the kids travel with Harry and Meghan to the UK, Archie and Lilibet definitely will not attend the coronation service, so I think a photo of the grandchildren with the King in coronation robes and wearing the crown is unlikely.

I don't know, on the other hand, if the King would be interested in taking a more casual photo with his grandchilden in "normal" attire at Windsor or somewhere else. Personally I don't think he would.

[SirGyamfi1]

Originally Posted by Alisa

For the sake of Archie and Lillie I do hope the couple attends.

Opportunities for Archie and Lillie to meet their British royal relatives are few and far in between and will become more so as the grow and move into compulsory education.

I would love to see one photo of King Charles surrounded by ALL his grand children.

That would be nice and so great, but someone needs to behave themselves and stop being immature and peddling silly stories for that to happen. Charles can’t see his grandchildren when the parents of those grandchildren aren’t playing nice.

[Asteria12]

Originally Posted by Alisa

For the sake of Archie and Lillie I do hope the couple attends.

Opportunities for Archie and Lillie to meet their British royal relatives are few and far in between and will become more so as the grow and move into compulsory education.

I would love to see one photo of King Charles surrounded by ALL his grand children.

It would be lovely, but I don't think his America-based grandkids will be allowed that opportunity while their parents continue their current course. Its a shame, really, as there will naturally come a time when they will no longer have grandparents. I do hope that some sort of connection between the generations occurs before its too late.

[Curryong]

Archie and Lily do have a grandparent they see regularly. That is Doria, Meghan’s mother. Camilla is not grandma to Charles’s grandchildren. And if Charles wished desperately to see his son’s children then taking their parents’ one residence in the UK away (perhaps in order to give it to their disgraced uncle) was hardly imo a warm and loving gesture.

[Asteria12]

The children have 3 other living grandparents who would form a loving and caring connection with them if given the opportunity. And one doesn't need to be a blood relative to love members of your family, particularly children. You surely cannot believe that not having Frogmore Cottage to stay in is a serious impediment to allowing this to happen?

[Curryong]

Frogmore Cottage was a practical scenario as a home to live in while in the UK. It was taken away in a way that was not particularly kind. And would hardly incline the children’s parents to really look forward to returning to the UK.

Diana was Harry’s mother and therefore the children’s grandmother. William has stated several times that he has taught his children about his mother, and that she was their grandmother. I’m sure Harry has done and is doing the same.

And sorry, my opinion of Thomas Markle does not lead me to regard him as any sort of possible loving grandfather to Archie and Lilly. It was only last year that he was threatening to take action against Meghan and Harry in the Californian courts. He still is willing to act as a witness for his daughter Samantha in her latest court case against Meghan. Hardly the act of a loving grandparent.

[US Royal Watcher]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

Even if the kids travel with Harry and Meghan to the UK, Archie and Lilibet definitely will not attend the coronation service, so I think a photo of the grandchildren with the King in coronation robes and wearing the crown is unlikely.

I don't know, on the other hand, if the King would be interested in taking a more casual photo with his grandchilden in "normal" attire at Windsor or somewhere else. Personally I don't think he would.

Interesting, I feel the opposite. I can't imagine a picture of the grandchildren with Charles wearing a crown. I assume he will wear the crown on the balcony but I think crowns are very uncomfortable. I absolutely can see that Charles would want a regular picture with all his grandchildren. It may not be made public but it would be great for the family.

Originally Posted by Curryong

Frogmore Cottage was a practical scenario as a home to live in while in the UK. It was taken away in a way that was not particularly kind. And would hardly incline the children’s parents to really look forward to returning to the UK

I guess we don't know the truth but I have been reading that Harry and Meghan are not upset about losing Frogmore and they will have use of a Buckingham apartment. We've been hearing that Charles wants to reduce the cost of the monarchy, so moving Andrew to smaller quarters and doing something else with the Royal Lodge makes sense. Regardless, Frogmore will be available to them Sussex family during the coronation, if they choose to come.

[Asteria12]

Originally Posted by Curryong

Frogmore Cottage was a practical scenario as a home to live in while in the UK. It was taken away in a way that was not particularly kind. And would hardly incline the children’s parents to really look forward to returning to the UK.


And sorry, my opinion of Thomas Markle does not lead me to regard him as any sort of possible loving grandfather to Archie and Lilly. It was only last year that he was threatening to take action against Meghan and Harry in the Californian courts. He still is willing to act as a witness for his daughter Samantha in her latest court case against Meghan. Hardly the act of a loving grandparent.

From what I'm reading, most people seem to agree that the most practical solution to a perfectly sound house sitting unused is to have the lease ended so that it can be offered to someone else (be it Andrew or another person). Whether it was "taken away unkindly" is purely opinion, not based on any facts because none of us here are privvy to factual information on the matter. And at least one source of M&H's has openly stated that they are not overly upset over it.

[Alisa]

I am somewhat on the fence about Frogmore being taken away.

I feel it was the couple's personal home. The place they felt most comfortable and most safe. It was their UK base.
If ever they were to come back to the UK it should be at a place where they felt most comfortable- Frogmore.

The coronation is a big deal- a significant moment in history. I do hope the couple decides on attending and bringing their children.

Tyler Perry was spotted headed for the couple's Montecito home. Perhaps he talked some sense into them!

[Asteria12]

Luckily, the tabloids are now informing us that Charles has supposedly relented to let the poor couple stay at their former home if they should come to the coronation! Its truly remarkable how well-informed the tabloids are.

[TLLK]

Originally Posted by Asteria12

The children have 3 other living grandparents who would form a loving and caring connection with them if given the opportunity. And one doesn't need to be a blood relative to love members of your family, particularly children. You surely cannot believe that not having Frogmore Cottage to stay in is a serious impediment to allowing this to happen?

I have to agree that you don't have to be a blood relative to form a loving relationship with a child. Prince Harry had maternal step-grandparents who were a part of his life in addition to his blood relatives. It's fairly common in the 20th and 21st century to have these sorts of blended families.


While William and Harry will be sharing about their late mother with their own children, the fact remains that Camilla is a part of their extended family.

I sincerely hope that in the future that Harry and Meghan will give their children an opportunity to become familiar with their Windsor family members.



As for Frogmore Cottage, the couple have indicated that they are not upset by the decision to end their lease and the request to leave the property. They'll have use of it in early May if they wish to stay there during the coronation weekend. In the future it appears that there will be a safe residence for them to stay in for future visits.

[yukari]

Prince Harry reveals psychedelics are 'fundamental' part of his life in candid interview with trauma expert Gabor Maté

(...)

The Duke of Sussex opened up about his use of hallucinogens on Saturday during a candid online chat with trauma expert Gabor Maté.

“It was the cleaning of the windscreen, the removal of life’s filters — these layers of filters,” the 38-year-old said.

“It removed it all for me and brought me a sense of relaxation, relief, comfort, a lightness that I managed to hold back for a period of time.”

The California-based royal told the Hungarian-Canadian addiction expert he started using psychedelics “recreationally” but increased his usage when he realised the sense of “relief” it gave him.

“I started doing it recreationally and then started to realise how good it was for me,” Harry said.

“I would say it is one of the fundamental parts of my life that changed me and helped me deal with the traumas and the pains of the past.”

“They’re unlocking so much of what we’ve suppressed.”

(...)

Is it just me or does it (almost) sounds like addiction? I have a colleague who's a chain smoker and his go-to-excuse is that smoking help him dealing with stress, at one point he could finish a pack of cigarettes a day (honestly I'm not surprised when I heard that he starts coughing blood and his examination shows blackened lung). Similar excuse was used by ex-husband of a distant relative who''s an alcoholic; that alcohol helped him "clear his mind".

Hopefully Harry has stopped abusing those drugs and found other (better and safer) solution to deal with his mental health problem, for his children's sake. After all, stories about drug-addict famous figures mostly don't end well.

Originally Posted by Claire

As much as the general public and royal watches argue about the Sussex's - I have been witness to therapist, clinic psychologists and psychologists argue about them, and it is not pretty. While you have therapists that see him as the second coming. Others and they are the majority believe he is harming the entire practice.
People is not helping people to seek help - he is showing that therapy can be used as a way to push blame to others and not really move to healing. And I will not even say what they feel about his use of cannabis and possible other drugs as well. I have been pointing blank told that Harry is a threat to the mental health projects of the US and the NHS. He knows nothing and acts like an expert.

In above article, Gabor Maté is presented as trauma expert and also addiction expert, and since it isn't mentioned in the article, I wonder what is his reaction over Harry's drug story, whether he discouraged or encouraged it. If it's the latter, the way it's progressing now, we may have BRF's version of ML-Verret soon.

(Although if anyone dare to point it out, I bet Harry (and his supporters) will argue that he never said/acted as an expert or promoting drug abuse to tackle mental health problem.It's British press twisting his words).

[RandyDrx]

Originally Posted by Curryong

Archie and Lily do have a grandparent they see regularly. That is Doria, Meghan’s mother. Camilla is not grandma to Charles’s grandchildren. And if Charles wished desperately to see his son’s children then taking their parents’ one residence in the UK away (perhaps in order to give it to their disgraced uncle) was hardly imo a warm and loving gesture.

If H&M stopped attacking the BRF maybe they would still have FC.

Also, comparing Camilla to a "wicked stepmother" isn't a warm and loving gesture either.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Frogmore Cottage was not "taken away", it was never theirs, to begin with. Unlike Royal Lodge, with a 75-year (!) lease to the Duke of York, Frogmore Cottage has an annual lease. Every year, a couple of months before the end of the lease, the lessees have to inform the lessor (the Crown Eatate) about continuation of their lease.

According some media the Duke and Duchess of Sussex themselves have not informed the Crown Estate to extend the lease of Frogmore Cottage. Now they act as struck by lighting, but it is quite plausible this is another example of their very selective memory and non-understanding that actions (or not acting, like in this case) can have consequences indeed.

Royal Lodge has a 75-years lease. As long as the Duke of York pays his lease and does the agreed maintenance, the Crown Estate will have the greatest difficulty to move Prince Andrew out. Frogmore Cottage however has a lease for a fixed period. This includes a final date. The lease will end automatically on the final date specified in the contract. The Crown Eatate must confirm this in writing at least 1 month – but no more than 3 months – before the lease ends. The Duke and Duchess of Sussex can also terminate their lease before the final date of let it end by not extending the lease.

That whole lease construction, with quite short-term lease periods, make that the situation of Frogmore Cottage is totally different from Royal Lodge, with a lease long beyond the life expectancy of the Duke of York and therefore with the justified expecation of Prince Andrew living in it until his last breath.

[Curryong]

With reference to the discussion between Harry and Dr Gabor Mate on the use of psychedelic drugs my country Australia has only recently announced that they will be allowed to be used by psychiatrists to treat certain patients, as after many trials they have been found to be effective in some circumstances.

https://www.timeout.com/sydney/news/...-020623-020623

Australia is the first country to allow MDMA and magic mushrooms for medical use
The move has been praised by those in the health and medical industry
Leah Glynn
Written by Leah GlynnMonday 6 February 2023

Australia is the very first country in the world to officially recognise psychedelics as legitimate medicines. Following a landmark announcement by Australia's Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) late last week, psychiatrists with specialised expertise will soon be able to prescribe MDMA and psilocybin (AKA magic mushrooms) to patients with specific treatment-resistant mental illnesses like post-traumatic stress disorder and depression.’ End quote.

Australia has a very conservative medical community so this wouldn’t have been taken lightly. I believe if it helps those patients who need it then it should be used. Hopefully other countries like Canada, the US, the UK etc will follow suit.

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by Curryong

With reference to the discussion between Harry and Dr Gabor Mate on the use of psychedelic drugs my country Australia has only recently announced that they will be allowed to be used by psychiatrists to treat certain patients, as after many trials they have been found to be effective in some circumstances.

https://www.timeout.com/sydney/news/...-020623-020623

Australia is the first country to allow MDMA and magic mushrooms for medical use
The move has been praised by those in the health and medical industry
Leah Glynn
Written by Leah GlynnMonday 6 February 2023

Australia is the very first country in the world to officially recognise psychedelics as legitimate medicines. Following a landmark announcement by Australia's Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) late last week, psychiatrists with specialised expertise will soon be able to prescribe MDMA and psilocybin (AKA magic mushrooms) to patients with specific treatment-resistant mental illnesses like post-traumatic stress disorder and depression.’ End quote.

Australia has a very conservative medical community so this wouldn’t have been taken lightly. I believe if it helps those patients who need it then it should be used. Hopefully other countries like Canada, the US, the UK etc will follow suit.

Ironically MDMA was originally developed by Merck as an intended therapeutic drug. The "street" versions of MDMA, however, are mixed with all kinds of different substances (including other drugs).

On the other hand, Harry does not seem to be using psychedelic drugs therapeutically and under medical supervision. He seems to use (abuse?) them recreationally, which qualifies in the best case scenario as "self-medication", which should not be encouraged.

Many people use recreational drugs as teenagers/young adults, but then many (most?) outgrow the habit. Harry is not a teenager anymore and I wonder if his extended family is not concerned with these revelations. I can't imagine his drug habits are good to his marriage either.

Finally, on a non-medical issue, it may be a security concern for the British Crown. Adversarial foreign intelligence agencies are unfortunately known to target assets who have a drug or alcohol habit.

[yukari]

I believe there's difference between consuming certain (legal) drug for medical use (with prescription) and for recreational purpose (as Harry himself confessed it). Sleeping pills are legal, but I read more than one story about celebrities found dead due to abusing it.

Who know if there's confused teenager read/heard what Harry said (that those kind of drug "help" him) then they follow it on their own without visiting doctor. Sadly, the current trend right now is that more people believe "internet doctors" than real doctors. Did Harry or Mate emphasis to use of those drug only with prescription?