The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 7: Oct. 2022 -

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by Kataryn

If the British Royal family, and most of all Charles, had known that Harry tended towards depression and anxiety (and I think after Diana's death it was clear), they should have made it possible for him to avoid the military! It was bound to enhance the anxiety (including the worrying about his status in the family) and lead to PTSD, I think. The idea that joining the military was good for him was a stupid idea which seriously backfired. Of course, there was some sort of family tradition and Harry wanted and enjoyed it, but now they have to cope with the outcome. Meghan and his love for public exposure covered as "therapy" make sure it is bad. But nothing more than they deserve.

Harry did not have the grades or, indeed, the necessary qualifications to go to university and, as a prince, he would not be expected to do a vocational apprenticeship and take up a career in a trade. Becoming an army officer, in my opinion, was the only "respectable" career for a person in his social position who was not qualified enough to do anything else (in fact, he barely had the minimum qualifications to get into Sandhurst and, if he were not a prince, might have been turned down there also).

On top of that, joining the military as an active-duty officer was a common career path for spares in the Royal Family, so it looked natural. And Harry was a problematic teenager, who was drinking and doing drugs as a 17-year-old. His family and maybe Harry himself probably thought that the army would straighten him out and install a sense of direction and discipline in his life. In fact, that is a common expectation among people who join the army and their families, and we often hear people who served repeating that.

[Granada]

Oh, oh......now comedian Chris Rock is having a go at Meghan. Too funny ! For those that don't know he is a American Black Comedian.

On his comedy special ( where he address the infamous Will Smith Oscar slap) he says..... "EVERYBODY, everybody's trying to be a victim..... She seems like a nice lady, but COMPLAINING, like didn't she hit the light skinned lottery" ????........He goes on to address the controversy that blew up the Oprah Interview about *supposed* "concerns over how dark the baby's skin might be". Well he blows that to bits by saying " That's NOT RACIST, even Black People want to know how brown the child would be".

Chris skewers her framing EVERYTHING "they're so racist, they're so racist....Some of that s*** She went thru WASN'T racist.....She was dealing with was ....in IN LAW s***."
"She's complaining, I'm like what the f**** is she talking about?"

Wow, just brilliant !

Calling her out for accusing The Royal Family of being racist. I love that Chris, in my opinion, frames this accurately as being "In Law" issues too ! Of course, I'd throw in cultural too, Brit versus American sensibilities.

Oh, and then to keep the pot stirring, Australian Actress Rebel Wilson was on an American Show "Watch What Happens Live" with Andy Cohen and she is telling him how She had recently met Harry and Meghan thru mutual friends. Rebel goes on to say "how Harry could not have been nicer".
However, "Meghan wasn't as cool, and wasn't naturally warm". Ouch.

Very interesting, all the shade being thrown recently from MANY Celebrities directly at The Sussex's. Doesn't seem to be doing much for their Brand either, when you are being mocked, ridiculed or basically just called out for "fake" Racism charges no less too.

Part of the problem for the Sussex's is that they over saturate the market for interest in them. Selling one thing, grievances and perceived slights from the Royal Family-Firm AND Harry's "Diana issues". Personally, I believe interest is greatly waning for both.......

[intothesea]

What’s interesting about the Rebel Wilson clip is the host didn’t rush to Meghan’s defense. Andy Cohen had been a guest on Meghan’s podcast, so he could have easily said, “Oh, my experience was different, maybe she had an off day”. He didn’t do that.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Queen Claude

Perhaps practices differ by country but diagnosing a patient with depression, anxiety, attention deficit disorder and post-traumatic stress disorder is doable in a single session. I did not see the live stream so I cannot state, nor am I qualified to state, if Maté employed the correct protocols in his session with Harry but I do know enough to know that it can be done in a single session. If the information is there, getting to the diagnoses noted above is not that difficult or time consuming, the treatment plan, on the other hand, may be more of a challenge and require multiple sessions to develop, execute and refine.

what sort of doctor or therapist diagnoses a person on TV and engages in a therapy session on tv?

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Kataryn

If the British Royal family, and most of all Charles, had known that Harry tended towards depression and anxiety (and I think after Diana's death it was clear), they should have made it possible for him to avoid the military! It was bound to enhance the anxiety (including the worrying about his status in the family) and lead to PTSD, I think. The idea that joining the military was good for him was a stupid idea which seriously backfired. Of course, there was some sort of family tradition and Harry wanted and enjoyed it, but now they have to cope with the outcome. Meghan and his love for public exposure covered as "therapy" make sure it is bad. But nothing more than they deserve.

why? Harry wasn't really up to any other job, and had no interest in any other job, as far as we can see. He was a bit wild and foolish, but a lot of people have found that the military gives them discipline and a role, and they wise up and become more mature, if they go into the services. Its not tehir fault that he chose to become a soldier and that now he's saying it did not suit him. What job WOULD have suited him?

[Granada]

Denville, EXACTLY !
"What job would have suited him?"
Prince of Wales, then King I believe, "Harry The Spare" feels......

I often wonder if Harry looks at two of his grandmothers cousins who were born Spares. Not just great Aunt Margaret either.
Prince Michael of Kent, younger brother to Edward Duke of Kent and Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester ...All three alive still. Prince Richard trained as an architect as his elder brother, the dashing Prince William was the heir to The Duchy. But he died in a tragic airplane crash and Prince Richard became heir.

Does Harry know anything about his relatives, I often wonder ?

Everybody makes choices, we have NO say in birth order anyway. "You just get on with it"... as his grandfather Philip famously said. To bad Harry cant, OR wont.

[Curryong]

Harry didn’t say in Spare that he hated his life in the armed forces at all. He thoroughly enjoyed parts of it including the flying. Nobody loves all elements of their career or profession all the time, but Harry did enjoy the camaraderie, the feeling that he was doing a good job in protecting others, being in helicopters, and a dozen other things.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Curryong

Harry didn’t say in Spare that he hated his life in the armed forces at all. He thoroughly enjoyed parts of it including the flying. Nobody loves all elements of their career or profession all the time, but Harry did enjoy the camaraderie, the feeling that he was doing a good job in protecting others, being in helicopters, and a dozen other things.

Sounds like he did not enjoy it at all. He had to slip out to avoid drug tests, he did not stay at the job, though he could have stayed longer.

[Queen Claude]

Originally Posted by Denville

what sort of doctor or therapist diagnoses a person on TV and engages in a therapy session on tv?

The kind that chooses that path and can find a media outlet to broadcast their work.

[Denville]

therapy is a private thing and doctors and therapists should not publicise it on the media.

[Royalist.in.NC]

I did not see this so called “therapy session” but in the US, at least, a psychiatrist, Ph.D psychologist, or some master’s level therapists are trained and licensed to diagnose mental health. This didn’t sound like a normal intake to me which would have included a whole lot of questions to Harry. ADHD takes many things into consideration: usually rating scales and consultation with others close to the person. For children, parents and teachers generally fill out a rating sheet. In my career as a school counselor, I scored and faxed so many of these to physicians at parents’ request. I always asked the teacher to write a narrative as well to give the doctor the best picture of what we saw at school. And many times we saw few or no symptoms at school but the parents did at home.

This is from CHADD, a well respected organization and clearinghouse for ADHD information :

Although there is no single medical, physical, or genetic test for ADHD, a diagnostic evaluation can be provided by a qualified mental health care professional or physician who gathers information from multiple sources. These sources include ADHD symptom checklists, standardized behavior rating scales, a detailed history of past and current functioning, and information obtained from family members or significant others who know the person well. Some practitioners will also conduct tests of cognitive ability and academic achievement in order to rule out a possible learning disability. ADHD cannot be diagnosed accurately just from brief office observations or simply by talking to the person. The person may not always exhibit the symptoms of ADHD during the office visit, and the diagnostician needs to take a thorough history of the individual’s life. A diagnosis of ADHD must include consideration of the possible presence of co-occurring conditions.

Clinical guidelines for a diagnosis of ADHD are provided by the American Psychiatric Association in the diagnostic manual Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5). These established guidelines are widely used in research and clinical practice. During an evaluation, the clinician will try to determine the extent to which these symptoms currently apply to the adult and if they have been present in childhood. In making the diagnosis, adults should have at least five of the symptoms present. These symptoms can change over time, so adults may fit different presentations from when they were children.


For more information: https://chadd.org/for-adults/diagnos...dhd-in-adults/

[Queen Claude]

Originally Posted by Lee-Z

But surely this wasn't intended as a bonafide therapy session? Why would you have a paying audience for that?
imo this was just the next part of the book-promotion tour..

I agree that the primary motive is promoting both participants and their books, and there may be reasons to question this particular provider, patient and session, but but I disagree with assertions / generalizations made that a diagnosis cannot be made in a single therapy session.

As previously stated, there may be different protocols in other countries, but mental health professionals do provide diagnosis during / at the end of a single session.

[Curryong]

Originally Posted by Denville

Sounds like he did not enjoy it at all. He had to slip out to avoid drug tests, he did not stay at the job, though he could have stayed longer.

There was an allegation that came up on Social media that he was supposed to have slipped off early one day to go to London and the subtext was that it was to avoid a drug test. And that’s all it was, an allegation on Twitter without valid proof of anything. Those sort of alleged incidents of going off base early turned up on SM about other royals as well. No proof of anything.

Harry disliked desk work which is why he left the army after ten years, a length of service a lot of other still young army officers take advantage of. Prince Philip was old and soon to retire and Harry then became a full time working royal.

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by Denville

why? Harry wasn't really up to any other job, and had no interest in any other job, as far as we can see. He was a bit wild and foolish, but a lot of people have found that the military gives them discipline and a role, and they wise up and become more mature, if they go into the services. Its not tehir fault that he chose to become a soldier and that now he's saying it did not suit him. What job WOULD have suited him?

A career in professional sports is the only one I can think of. But, then, (a) I am not sure Harry was good enough to become a professional polo or rugby player; (b) being a professional sporstman would have been difficult with his drug habits, and (c) as a prince, that would not have been seen as a "proper" full-time career for him anyway. Zara for example was able to have an international career in eventing and even build a lucrative business out of it, but she didn't have the same constraints as Harry.

Originally Posted by Curryong

There was an allegation that came up on Social media that he was supposed to have slipped off early one day to go to London and the subtext was that it was to avoid a drug test. And that’s all it was, an allegation on Twitter without valid proof of anything. Those sort of alleged incidents of going off base early turned up on SM about other royals as well. No proof of anything.

I think you are downplaying the incident in question. Based on what I read in the Daily Express about it, the base was indeed in lockdown for a mandatory drug test and, under regulations, no one was allowed to leave. Harry left early on the allegation that he was needed by the Royal Household, if I recall it correctly. Although that does not prove that he left to avoid taking a drug test, he was treated differently from his peers and in breach of regulations.

I don't think Harry ever admitted to using drugs while he was in the army, but the army has a strict no-drugs policy and people, especially the enlisted ranks, are known to have been discharged for failing mandatory drug testing. On top of that, Harry was, at a certain point in his military career, in the Army Air Corps, which would have put him in an even more delicate position if any drug-related incident had been uncovered.

[suztav]

Everyone is over the "woe is me" show produced by the Sussex couple.

I wish they would just go away! Pathetic! "look at me ... I have psychological issues because Grandma was the Queen and now Pa is the King ... and I'm only the spare!" Give me a break!!

[Ghost]

Originally Posted by Curryong

There was an allegation that came up on Social media that he was supposed to have slipped off early one day to go to London and the subtext was that it was to avoid a drug test. And that’s all it was, an allegation on Twitter without valid proof of anything. Those sort of alleged incidents of going off base early turned up on SM about other royals as well. No proof of anything.

Harry disliked desk work which is why he left the army after ten years, a length of service a lot of other still young army officers take advantage of. Prince Philip was old and soon to retire and Harry then became a full time working royal.

This is what he said last night:

'Once you sign up, you do what you're told to do.’

'A lot of us didn't agree or disagree, you were doing what you were trained to do and what you were sent to do.'

Sounds like he’s not so sure anymore about his feelings about military service. He said one more thing that I do not find right now, that the army likes to recruit people from broken families. I find such an affirmation disturbing.

[Royalist.in.NC]

Originally Posted by suztav

Everyone is over the "woe is me" show produced by the Sussex couple.

I wish they would just go away! Pathetic! "look at me ... I have psychological issues because Grandma was the Queen and now Pa is the King ... and I'm only the spare!" Give me a break!!

Thanks for this!
Your post reminds me of the sign “Meghan” carried in the South Park spoof: Stop Looking at us

[SirGyamfi1]

Originally Posted by suztav

Everyone is over the "woe is me" show produced by the Sussex couple.

I wish they would just go away! Pathetic! "look at me ... I have psychological issues because Grandma was the Queen and now Pa is the King ... and I'm only the spare!" Give me a break!!

He has nothing to do but peddle and sell silly innuendos and stories to make money. How sad. But he made his bed and has to lie in it.

[Clematis]

Originally Posted by Queen Claude

Perhaps practices differ by country but diagnosing a patient with depression, anxiety, attention deficit disorder and post-traumatic stress disorder is doable in a single session.

Sorry if this is a little OT but ADHD diagnosis can only be made after a thorough diagnostic process, certainly not in a single session.
I know this very well, having a person affected by it in my family.

What can be probably done in a single session is evaluating if there are the conditions that can justify an investigation.

[Denville]

I think that he did not really enjoy any work, all that much. He liked the camaraderie, of the army, but I cant' believe that he did not use drugs and there had to be some covering up. BUT I think that his veering away from the army has to do with Meghan, partly.... she encouraged his ambivalent feelings and now I think he does not look back on his service with pride or affection. However even several years ago, he referred to his kills as a video game.