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Old 03-03-2023, 12:30 PM
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The discussion about why Meghan and Harry declined other properties is going around in circles. Please move on.
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Old 03-03-2023, 12:46 PM
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I firmly believe that The Crown Estates, in agreement with Charles, request for The Sussex's "to vacant Frogmore" was twofold in nature.

First, a response to Harry and Meghan for their never-ending AND increasingly malicious attacks against The Royal Family. With their attempts to demean The Institution of The Monarchy. Question Its relevance in * modern times* and importance.....WITHOUT CHANGE.
That the Sussex's claim, only they can champion. And lead conversations on.

The removal of their admittedly hardly ever used home IS an attempt IMHO, to contain or sideline them in The UK. Game, set, match.

No more opportunities to FEATURE A Royal "Crown Property" in a upcoming Netflix Series ....."Sundays with the Sussex's at Frogmore Cottage" type thing. With Harry romping around with the kids and dogs.

Which I think is VERY wise. *If* in future, Harry and Family are visiting with Charles at Windsor, Buckingham, or Balmoral he won't be able to document it with videographers and photographers. To show up in a Sussex's Venture or Social Media.

Or they can stay at The Goring or The Ritz. BUT a "Crown Property Home", where they can showcase and push Brand Sussex.....is GONE.

Second, with the economic downturn hurting so many Families I think it just made sense to open up a highly desirable property for use. A smart PR move. Plays very well with the Public at large for both reasons mentioned.

Especially if Charles and Co want to get Andrew to downsize and get him and Fergie to move in there. Ummm, Good Luck with that !
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Old 03-03-2023, 02:09 PM
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Getting back to the whole idea about them being "evicted:" What did they expect? They bit the hand that feeds them (over and over again).

If they were truly "stunned" by this action, they're even more removed from reality than I had imagined.

As for Harry needing a place to stay for the coronation, if I were Charles, I'd give him the phone number for the local Holiday Inn Express. (Free breakfast!)
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Old 03-03-2023, 02:21 PM
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ĎIn 2020, Frogmore Cottage was described as a 5,089 sq ft (472.8 m2), four bedroom and nursery, four bathroom single-residence Grade-II listed house.[5] Before renovation, it had 10 bedrooms.í End quote.

Never heard of a four bedroom house being described as a sprawling mansion.

As for the somewhat mythical Herefordshire estate, not too many details on it, but neither Prince wanted it. They were both single at the time, it was miles away from London, their friends, any polo club (they were both playing then) and neither had any fancy to be a squire on some run-down estate in a county where they had no links.
It is not the four bedrooms that give rise to it being called a mansion, but the square footage of the entire house. Good grief.
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Old 03-03-2023, 02:21 PM
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Curryong, we are getting off-topic so I will end my participation in this debate about Frogmore and agree to disagree. Doesn't matter.

As I said anyway, Frogmore is a moot point. Its not theirs anymore. Actions have consequences as The Sussex's are finding out.
Their footprint, relevance in the UK has evaporated and is diminishing in my Country, America.

Suztav, definitely agree ! Or places like Villanova or Devon. Some beauties there !


Absolutely agree with everything you have said. They are wearing on our American nerves!
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Old 03-03-2023, 02:21 PM
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And now an article by V Low


https://archive.is/V0GtN#selection-867.213-867.264
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Old 03-03-2023, 03:24 PM
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I see things differently. Quite simply the Lease was not renewed by the Crown Estate office in consultation with the King. It makes sense that Prince Andrew reside there temporarily while Royal Lodge is repaired - Roof, mould etc.
It appears Harry knew 2 days after his book launch on January 10 that the decision was made about the NON renewel of the lease. Harry chose to make it public when William and Kate went to Wales.

That is how I see the situation. The rest is Media hype. For instance you cannot be Evicted if you don't reside in a dwelling.
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Old 03-03-2023, 03:39 PM
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I was not referring to the original story - he wrote a subsequent commentary piece where he alludes very strongly to this representing an exile of sorts for Harry and Meghan. He's not the only reporter who has taken that view - Rebecca English's original piece specifically says there is little doubt it was an act of retribution (she uses the word specifically).
Can you provide a link to that story? I would love to read it.
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Old 03-03-2023, 03:51 PM
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I see things differently. Quite simply the Lease was not renewed by the Crown Estate office in consultation with the King. It makes sense that Prince Andrew reside there temporarily while Royal Lodge is repaired - Roof, mould etc.
It appears Harry knew 2 days after his book launch on January 10 that the decision was made about the NON renewel of the lease. Harry chose to make it public when William and Kate went to Wales.

That is how I see the situation. The rest is Media hype. For instance you cannot be Evicted if you don't reside in a dwelling.
I do not think that Harry leaked it to the press. The first published story was in the Sun, a tabloid. We all know how Harry feel about tabloids. The headline was very unflattering for the Sussex. By comparison, the article published by Omid Scobie, their preferred mouthpiece, has a different spin.

In terms of timing, the story was published right after King Charles received criticism for his meeting with the President of European Union, Ursula von der Leyen. This is a serious topic about Monarch and politics. Recently, King Charles has been getting very good press leading up to his coronation.

How to deflect the conversation from serious political topics? Why the Sussex is always good for a headline!

It would be delusional for the Sussex not to expect some retribution after all the interviews and books. But I don't think they would want to publicize these actions since they are meant to be hurtful.
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Old 03-03-2023, 04:19 PM
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In terms of timing, the story was published right after King Charles received criticism for his meeting with the President of European Union, Ursula von der Leyen. This is a serious topic about Monarch and politics. Recently, King Charles has been getting very good press leading up to his coronation.

How to deflect the conversation from serious political topics? Why the Sussex is always good for a headline!
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The King was not criticized for meeting the President of the European Commission. Instead, the Prime Minister was criticized (mostly by the opposition) for advising/telling the King to meet Ms. von der Leyen. That is clearly a situation where the political responsibility lies with the Prime Minister under the British system.

I also think it is far-fetched to assume that the news of the Sussexes' "eviction" was leaked to divert attention from the King's meeting with Ursula von der Leyen.
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Old 03-03-2023, 04:37 PM
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I firmly believe that The Crown Estates, in agreement with Charles, request for The Sussex's "to vacant Frogmore" was twofold in nature.

First, a response to Harry and Meghan for their never-ending AND increasingly malicious attacks against The Royal Family. With their attempts to demean The Institution of The Monarchy. Its relevance in * modern times* and importance.

The removal of their admittedly hardly ever used home IS an attempt IMHO, to contain or sideline them in The UK. Game, set, match.

No more opportunities to FEATURE A Royal "Crown Property" in a upcoming Netflix Series ....."Sundays with the Sussex's at Frogmore Cottage" type thing. With Harry romping around with the kids and dogs.

Which I think is VERY wise. *If* in future, Harry and Family are visiting with Charles at Windsor, Buckingham, or Balmoral he won't be able to document it with videographers and photographers. To show up in a Sussex's Venture or Social Media.

Or they can stay at The Goring or The Ritz. BUT a "Crown Property Home", where they can showcase and push Brand Sussex.....is GONE.

Second, with the economic downturn hurting so many Families I think it just made sense to open up a highly desirable property for use. A smart PR move. Plays very well with the Public at large for both reasons mentioned.

Especially if Charles and Co want to get Andrew to downsize and get him and Fergie to move in there. Ummm, Good Luck with that !

I think if Andrew was smart he'll try to negotiate a deal for his daughters -- I'll move if you make my daughters working royals or something like that. Perhaps give Beatrice the Duchess of York title since, at this time, titles only pass through the male line and not the female line. JMHO
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Old 03-03-2023, 05:14 PM
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So, according to this article (thanks Ghost!), Scobie quotes a friend who says that Harry and Meghan are "crushed and stunned over the cruel punishment", and yet another mysterious friend is quoted as saying they are graciously accepting over it.



I actually suspect that the Sussexes have more sense over this decision than the likes of the Daily Mail and some of their readers (or Scobie's readers). It might have an impact on Harry's legal fight over protection, but apart from that, Frogmore Cottage, however lovely and suitable for a family of their size, is just an unnecessary expense they don't need, so why renew the lease?



In any case, as has been pointed out here a few times by members already, its all a moot point. If the accommodation they are offered should they decide to come over for the coronation is not up to scratch then I have no doubt they will simply not attend. Personally, I think Harry should come alone and maybe stay with his cousin. We'll have to wait and see, I suppose!
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Old 03-03-2023, 05:21 PM
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Great comments everyone but I'm exhausted. Let me know if you want to comment on this article from March 1st 2023 that flew under the radar here in the lands of Montecito:

The Archewell Foundation announced the 2023 recipient of The NAACP-Archewell Digital Civil Rights Award.

This yearís recipient is Nabiha Syed, CEO of The Markup, a company driving award-winning investigative coverage of how powerful institutions use technology to reshape society...
As the recipient of this award, Nabiha will receive $100,000 toward advancing new work, expanding leadership and expertise, and continuing her impact in the field of digital equity.


And on this contribution, I'll leave for the day because up here in New York all weather reports are going bad to worse right now. Everyone in the area stay safe and ready for the, hopefully, last major snowstorm of the season. Bye!
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Old 03-03-2023, 05:36 PM
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Omid Scobie was probably upset on the Sussexes’ behalf but the couple themselves are happy in California and aren’t and weren’t upset over the decision at all, unlike Andrew over the possibility of losing Royal Lodge.

The Mirror and other tabloids are now following The Times article with Valentine Low quoting contacts over in California stating that the couple recognise the reasoning behind it. [.....]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals...ction-29369107
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Old 03-03-2023, 05:52 PM
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What does it matter. They don’t live there. Relations are not good with the family, so it wasn’t even to be used as a holiday home. It would probably never be used again after the coronation.

Harry has nothing to do with the business of family royalty anymore. He doesn’t see them, spend occasions with them. Basically he is just a blood relative. Who cares about the house. I hope it finds a deserving owner. Like I said, having seen it, it is beautiful.
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Old 03-03-2023, 05:57 PM
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He is still Charlesís son and Williamís brother. And the King is probably hoping for a much better relationship in the future and to see his two grandchildren on a regular basis.
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Old 03-03-2023, 06:02 PM
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I think if Andrew was smart he'll try to negotiate a deal for his daughters -- I'll move if you make my daughters working royals or something like that. Perhaps give Beatrice the Duchess of York title since, at this time, titles only pass through the male line and not the female line. JMHO
I like how your mind works

But I don't think either princess has any desire to be a "working " Royal. Why on earth would they want that to be part of that mess, with vicious press and resentful public constantly on their backs?

The York princesses have got it made, imo.
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Old 03-03-2023, 06:40 PM
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I firmly believe that The Crown Estates, in agreement with Charles, request for The Sussex's "to vacant Frogmore" was twofold in nature.

First, a response to Harry and Meghan for their never-ending AND increasingly malicious attacks against The Royal Family. With their attempts to demean The Institution of The Monarchy. Question Its relevance in * modern times* and importance.....WITHOUT CHANGE.
That the Sussex's claim, only they can champion. And lead conversations on.

The removal of their admittedly hardly ever used home IS an attempt IMHO, to contain or sideline them in The UK. Game, set, match.

No more opportunities to FEATURE A Royal "Crown Property" in a upcoming Netflix Series ....."Sundays with the Sussex's at Frogmore Cottage" type thing. With Harry romping around with the kids and dogs.

Which I think is VERY wise. *If* in future, Harry and Family are visiting with Charles at Windsor, Buckingham, or Balmoral he won't be able to document it with videographers and photographers. To show up in a Sussex's Venture or Social Media.

Or they can stay at The Goring or The Ritz. BUT a "Crown Property Home", where they can showcase and push Brand Sussex.....is GONE.

Second, with the economic downturn hurting so many Families I think it just made sense to open up a highly desirable property for use. A smart PR move. Plays very well with the Public at large for both reasons mentioned.

Especially if Charles and Co want to get Andrew to downsize and get him and Fergie to move in there. Ummm, Good Luck with that !
I wonder if the inclusion of The Welsh Cottage in the Royal lodge grounds, the footage from inside Frogmore and BP seen in the netflix documentary from December may have played a part in the decision, on the RF side at least, not to renew the lease as well. The RF having to watch themselves get slated in a documentary filmed in part in royal residences but be hard for them to take. Setting everything in place days after Spare was released seems a bit far fetched IMO - not that Charles may be upset over it but to get it all done for theday after the book was released, quite a quick turn around.
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Old 03-03-2023, 07:54 PM
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I wonder if the inclusion of The Welsh Cottage in the Royal lodge grounds, the footage from inside Frogmore and BP seen in the netflix documentary from December may have played a part in the decision, on the RF side at least, not to renew the lease as well. The RF having to watch themselves get slated in a documentary filmed in part in royal residences but be hard for them to take. Setting everything in place days after Spare was released seems a bit far fetched IMO - not that Charles may be upset over it but to get it all done for theday after the book was released, quite a quick turn around.
I had not thought of this! Nothing like trashing your family, exposing their private spaces, then complaining about your own need for privacy. Even if family members didnít personally watch the Netflix documentary , they certainly had staff whom they trusted to summarize. And would have found out about places being filmed without permission .

I agree with you that this decision had been made prior to publication of Harryís book. The optics of doing it the day after isnít good, nor is the drama of it now good either for the family. IF Harry and Meghan are really fine with the decision or initiated it themselves, they could certainly get some Brownie points by making some sort of statement.
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Old 03-03-2023, 08:26 PM
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Well they confirmed the reports, BP wasnít going to and this could have dragged on much longer. All these briefs tells me both sides want to move on. I do suspect itís not as deep as the media wound like it to be. The clickbait was temporary.
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