The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 7: Oct. 2022 -

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It now appears that an Archewell spokesperson has issued the following statement "We can confirm The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have been requested to vacate their residence at Frogmore Cottage."

[Alison H]

They're never going to live there again, and I'm sure they can find somewhere to stay for occasional visits, so it makes sense for them to vacate it. So it seems likely to be true that Andrew's moving there.

[FigTree]

Originally Posted by Claire

Personally I feel that this is more a cost saving and move the estates to a different working model than anything to hurt or deprive Harry. Charles needs to be seen to be tightening his belt and making real commitment towards his environmental pledges. I expect that a lot of the Windsor Grand park will be restored to natural state and opened to the public - but then again maybe there are plans for it to be make a larger profit anyway. Either way I think it is business not personal. And I believe that Harry will be compensated or private with something in London.
I dont believe that Andrew will be moving in. If anyone - it might be William or Edward. now that is OT.

Large parts of Windsor great park are open? The parts that aren't had a large part to do with this living there.

Edward has his own, terribly nice, home. William.wont go to Frogmore...they have their own home. They may go to Royal Lodge if Andrew goes to Frogmore.

[Ista]

While we don't have any idea what's been going on behind the scenes, on the face of it this makes a lot of sense. The Sussexes have made quite clear that they are committed to building a life for themselves in California, so having a substantial house sitting empty for the majority of the year in the UK seems wasteful. I can also see why being asked to vacate the house, even if they were barely using it, might sting.

[Archduchess Zelia]

Originally Posted by SirGyamfi1

By that logic, Harry should pay back Charles for the money “he didn’t send” during July/June of Megxit when their security expenses and other expenses were covered by Charles when they were away. It’s not weird because they hardly lived in Frogmore and aren’t coming back to stay for long. They had to pay for the refurbishments because of their bad PR. After all their mess for three years, them being paid for the refurbishments is out of the question.

Eh no, that's not really the same logic in my opinion

Frog Cot was always scheduled to be renovated and it could easily be defended (also by the BRF, but as per usual they stayed mum) that the Sovereign Grant should've covered the costs. Instead, the Sussexes duly succumbed to the public fuss and repaid the money spent – presumably because they'd been given the impression that the estate was theirs to lease for the unforeseeable future.

You think it's ok for Charles to screw them over just because you disagree with their actions? Doesn't that just make Charles as bad as them?

[Lilyflo]

Originally Posted by Claire

Personally I feel that this is more a cost saving and move the estates to a different working model than anything to hurt or deprive Harry.

I'm slightly inclined to agree with you but I also wonder if this would have happened without the Oprah interview and the shots fired in Spare. I'm not sure there's a great deal of cost to be saved by asking the Sussexes to vacate, as they're probably entitled to some compensation for what they spent on it but I don't know enough about the financial details to be sure.

In the court of public opinion, this could feel like retribution but given the low popularity of the Sussexes in UK polls, I don't think that will do Charles any harm and could even gain him more support.

[Hallo girl]

Originally Posted by Archduchess Zelia

[…]Eh no, that's not really the same logic in my opinion

Frog Cot was always scheduled to be renovated and it could easily be defended (also by the BRF, but as per usual they stayed mum) that the Sovereign Grant should've covered the costs. Instead, the Sussexes duly succumbed to the public fuss and repaid the money spent – presumably because they'd been given the impression that the estate was theirs to lease for the unforeseeable future.

You think it's ok for Charles to screw them over just because you disagree with their actions? Doesn't that just make Charles as bad as them?

As we are not aware of the full details we cannot be sure what private agreement may or may not be in place.

IMO the issue with the cost of refurbishment was that they moved away, all that money had been spent , and they didn't want to stay there.

I think I am correct in saying it was refurbished to their wishes, it could have lay there for some time in the original state without incurring any costs.

[Prinsara]

It's not known where the money Harry and Meghan used to repay the Sovereign Grant came from, is it?

Couldn't some of it have been from his Duchy of Cornwall payments from Charles in the first place?

[Hallo girl]

Originally Posted by Prinsara

It's not known where the money Harry and Meghan used to repay the Sovereign Grant came from, is it?

Couldn't some of it have been from his Duchy of Cornwall payments from Charles in the first place?

Harry claimed his father cut him off financially, but the Duchy accounts did show another payment after he had moved abroad. Things didn't quite tally. I cannot recall the amount.

[FigTree]

Originally Posted by Lilyflo

I'm slightly inclined to agree with you but I also wonder if this would have happened without the Oprah interview and the shots fired in Spare. I'm not sure there's a great deal of cost to be saved by asking the Sussexes to vacate, as they're probably entitled to some compensation for what they spent on it but I don't know enough about the financial details to be sure.

In the court of public opinion, this could feel like retribution but given the low popularity of the Sussexes in UK polls, I don't think that will do Charles any harm and could even gain him more support.

There is obviously movement ahead, with some musical houses in Windsor. Having it until Augist indicates to me that the school holidays uav3 something to do with it. Moving Kate and William to Royal Lodge and Andrew to Frogmore looks reasonable. William is the heir. I feel this will be in line with the permanent closing of their apartment at Kensington for anything but offices. There seems to be an obvious move to move away from living in the major Palaces and Castles. Persumably to enable them to be opened permanently.

I think Harry and Megjan personally matter not a jot in this. It is a business decision.

[FigTree]

Originally Posted by Hallo girl

Harry claimed his father cut him off financially, but the Duchy accounts did show another payment after he had moved abroad. Things didn't quite tally. I cannot recall the amount.

It was a couple of million. Nothing much...a divorce settlement.

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by Alison H

They're never going to live there again, and I'm sure they can find somewhere to stay for occasional visits, so it makes sense for them to vacate it. So it seems likely to be true that Andrew's moving there.

Based on what I have read, the King is cutting down Prince Andrew's "allowance" (I wasn't aware he had one, but apparently he does). As a result, Andrew can no longer afford to refurbish and maintain Royal Lodge (as required under his lease agreement) and, therefore, will be forced to leave the premises. He was then offered Frogmore Cottage as an alternative home. However, Andrew is reported to be "resisting" the move as he does not want to "downsize" his lifestyle.

[FigTree]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

Based on what I have read, the King is cutting down Prince Andrew's "allowance" (I wasn't aware he had one, but apparently he does). As a result, Andrew can no longer afford to refurbish and maintain Royal Lodge (as required under his lease agreement) and, therefore, will be forced to leave the premises. He was then offered Frogmore Cottage as an alternative home. However, Andrew is reported to be "resisting" the move as he does not want to "downsize" his lifestyle.

What is there to downsize. He lives a quiet life, rides horses and persumably does one of the many things homebodies do: TV, podcasts, hobbies, gardening. Nothing will change for him. Except the size of the house. But why he needs that house I don't know. Frogmore is lovely.

[Granada]

Personally, I think that Charles motivation was basically two fold. Complete exasperation with the continuing attacks..... insults and allegations that The Sussex's keep hurling at the Family - Institution. And yes, a business decision too utilize a woefully underused Royal Home.

The statement put out by The Sussex's says " they were REQUESTED to vacate their Residence ", so it wasn't their idea. Again, Meghan is probably totally untroubled, but Harry ? It was his last link to The Country of his birth, his home. Literally.

But what totally baffles me is this. Andrew has a 75 year lease on Royal Lodge, he has been there since 2004, I think. Can Charles just force him out ?
What does that say about the Wessex's lease at Bagshot too ? That's a giant Estate also.

I still bet Andrew got millions in his Parents will, so even IF he has to economize, wouldn't he have time ( years ) to figure out where and when he wants to go to ? From Royal Lodge to Frogmore Cottage ! What a giant demotion.

I always thought Frogmore was temporary and that the Sussex's would have got something much grander, as senior working Royals once Charles became King. But that's a moot point now anyway.

If true, and Andrew is being forced to move to Frogmore he must be livid. Is that what the Queen would have wanted ? What's the purpose of the leases then ?

[Hallo girl]

Originally Posted by Archduchess Zelia

Eh no, that's not really the same logic in my opinion

Frog Cot was always scheduled to be renovated and it could easily be defended (also by the BRF, but as per usual they stayed mum) that the Sovereign Grant should've covered the costs. Instead, the Sussexes duly succumbed to the public fuss and repaid the money spent – presumably because they'd been given the impression that the estate was theirs to lease for the unforeseeable future.

You think it's ok for Charles to screw them over just because you disagree with their actions? Doesn't that just make Charles as bad as them?

I assume from the last line that you agree that the couples behaviour has not been ideal.

[FigTree]

Originally Posted by Granada

Personally, I think that Charles motivation was basically two fold. Complete exasperation with the continuing attacks..... insults and allegations that The Sussex's keep hurling at the Family - Institution. And yes, a business decision too utilize a woefully underused Royal Home.

The statement put out by The Sussex's says " they were REQUESTED to vacate their Residence ", so it wasn't their idea. Again, Meghan is probably totally untroubled, but Harry ? It was his last link to The Country of his birth, his home. Literally.

But what totally baffles me is this. Andrew has a 75 year lease on Royal Lodge, he has been there since 2004, I think. Can Charles just force him out ?
What does that say about the Wessex's lease at Bagshot too ? That's a giant Estate also.

I still bet Andrew got millions in his Parents will, so even IF he has to economize, wouldn't he have time ( years ) to figure out where and when he wants to go to ? From Royal Lodge to Frogmore Cottage ! What a giant demotion.

I always thought Frogmore was temporary and that the Sussex's would have got something much grander, as senior working Royals once Charles became King. But that's a moot point now anyway.

If true, and Andrew is being forced to move to Frogmore he must be livid. Is that what the Queen would have wanted ? What's the purpose of the leases then ?

The heir to the throne lives most of the time in 4 bedroom house, albeit big, house.

What does Andrew want with RL and what does Harry want with Frogmore really?

The Queen is gone. What she wanted, from a business perspective, doesn’t matter anymore. You can hardly have a say once you are gone.

in the years to come there will only be William and his children…all these many expanding places need to be used effectively.

[ACO]

Honestly not surprised.

Didn’t understand why they kept it. Convenience for when they were in the UK. But honestly I’m glad they confirming the non relationship between Charles and the Sussexes. It was needed to be done. Enough fakeness about “much loved” when it’s not true. LOL

Anyways I think we are in the beginning of the end now. Next will be titles and removing Harry and his kids from the line of succession. Might as well do it all now before the coronation.

These people are no longer family. Time for all to be honest,

I think this also confirms the Sussexes will not be attending the coronation nor will be invited. So hopefully all that chatter will stop.

Will be interesting this fall though when the Sussexes are back in Europe: I guess now it just will be them mostly avoiding the UK when possible. Or at least the family parts of it, which is a lot.

Too bad the Crown is ending. Lol

[Biset]

Originally Posted by ACO

Honestly not surprised.

Didn’t understand why they kept it. Convenience for when they were in the UK. But honestly I’m glad they confirming the non relationship between Charles and the Sussexes. It was needed to be done. Enough fakeness about “much loved” when it’s not true. LOL

Anyways I think we are in the beginning of the end now. Next will be titles and removing Harry and his kids from the line of succession. Might as well do it all now before the coronation.

These people are no longer family. Time for all to be honest,

I think this also confirms the Sussexes will not be attending the coronation nor will be invited. So hopefully all that chatter will stop.

Will be interesting this fall though when the Sussexes are back in Europe: I guess now it just will be them mostly avoiding the UK when possible. Or at least the family parts of it, which is a lot.

Too bad the Crown is ending. Lol

Like Harry constantly insulting his brother and father but then saying I love them? That kind of fakeness?

[tommy100]

To be honest I wonder if this is all part of a big royal residence shake up - maybe Royal Lodge for the Wales', Frogmore Cottage for Andrew and some place else for H&M. They apparently wanted rooms in Windsor Castle originally so maybe Charles is planning that for them, or if the Wales' move they may use Adelaide Cottage/Lodge or some other smaller property on the estate. They have only returned the very minimal amount of times since they moved to America, even once Covid restrictions have been lifted, so much so that they were even happy to let Eugenie and Jack use Frogmore Cottage for a logn while. Perhaps a smaller property would be better for everyone (i.e. provide a smaller, cheaper residence for Andrew, less outgoings for H&M, good move PR wise etc)

[ACO]

Originally Posted by Biset

Like Harry constantly insulting his brother and father but then saying I love them? That kind of fakeness?

Actually Yes. I don’t think they love each other at all. It’s been made quite obvious now other years. I think these people are sadly in situation they accept and deal because well they will be monarchs or depend on them for survival. Weird family dynamics. Quite toxic. But yes I agree with ya!