The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 7: Oct. 2022 -

[suztav]

Originally Posted by Asteria12

I would suggest the Obama model was what they were hoping for! Its not quite what they have achieved thus far however!

Obama? Barack and Michelle Obama are two highly educated people. One was President. Not even close!

[muriel]

Originally Posted by yukari

Sometimes I wonder, is this is the kind of fame they want to achieve when they move to US?

Originally Posted by Asteria12

I would suggest the Obama model was what they were hoping for! Its not quite what they have achieved thus far however!

IMO, the Obama approach can only be achieved from a track record of public service and delivery, and with a positive message.

Whilst Harry had certanly achieved a reasonable amount in the charitable world (eg, Invictus) whist a working royal, their exit from the RF and their behaviour since has hardly been graceful or seamless. Their judgement can certainly be questioned when in their pointless airing of family disputes and endlessly attempt to position themselves as victims.

I am yet to see any attempts to use their worldwide fame to create a positive impact in a situation, just shameless and cynical attempts to cash in on their royal past.

[Archduchess Zelia]

Oh the irony of Samantha accusing Meghan of being the defamer... She should be penalised for wasting the court's time.

[muriel]

Originally Posted by Archduchess Zelia

Oh the irony of Samantha accusing Meghan of being the defamer... She should be penalised for wasting the court's time.

But there is also a certain irony in Meghan, the serial litigator, being at the receiving end of litigation.

[Archduchess Zelia]

Say what you like about her but only one of the Markle sisters are exploiting the judicial system solely to gain attention and it's not Meghan.

[muriel]

Originally Posted by Archduchess Zelia

Say what you like about her but only one of the Markle sisters are exploiting the judicial system solely to gain attention and it's not Meghan.

Both Markle sister's behaviour is pretty unbecoming, so the less said the better, IMO.

[TLLK]

Originally Posted by muriel

Both Markle sister's behaviour is pretty unbecoming, so the less said the better, IMO.

Yes they are more alike in their behavior than they probably want to admit.

[TLLK]

Originally Posted by Toledo

That's a separate issue that was just portrayed on USA TV a few minutes ago in the socio-political parody show South Park. And it was hilarious!
No spoiler: 'The prince of Canada and his wife decide during the book tour to move to South Park for privacy while doing the opposite of what they complain about'

But back to Samantha, my opinion above was just on the Samantha/Meghan case. And, despite my disappointment with their behavior toward the royal family, on this court case Meghan has the upper hand over Samantha.

I didn't watch the episode, but the clips that I've seen online where pretty much what I'd expected. The scene where Kyle simply ignores the Prince of Canada's repeated and increasingly outrageous attempts to get his attention...

[ACO]

I am not surprised South Park is poking at Harry and Meghan. They tend to do that with whoever is dominating pop culture or they feel are currently popular/influential. I remember when they had an episode where Queen Elizabeth was so distraught of not being able to "take back the USA" that she shot herself in the head. They have mocked William and Kate as well as the Obamas. This is what they do.

[ACO]

Originally Posted by muriel

But there is also a certain irony in Meghan, the serial litigator, being at the receiving end of litigation.

Meghan has sued and won twice. She sued a tabloid for infringement and a paparazzi's agency for invading her child's privacy. Not sure how that is serial. She was correct and was proven as much.

Samantha is attempting to sue Meghan because she refused to claim her a sister. That is her right but I mean... hardly the same thing.

Meghan hasn't even done much these days and folk out here being "where is Meghan." Weird behavior.

[Toledo]

Originally Posted by yukari

Admitedly I've only watched couple episodes of South Park few years ago because my housemate at that time was a fan and in those occasion I rarely found South Park to be funny, their type of humour just isn't my cup of tea (I'm more into Nintama Rantaro). I've seen clips from this episode and I feel some of the jokes are crass and just plain rude.

Hopefully the Sussexes don't take it to heart too much and able to just shrug it of, otherwise (particularly with their habit of digging into social media and comments on articles about them) I don't think it would be good for their mental health.

Sometimes I wonder, is this is the kind of fame they want to achieve when they move to US?

South Park is the equivalent of the British show Spitting Image but in cartoon form. It's a social and political adult cartoon shown at 10 PM in the USA just like Spittin Image but they are faster to produce an episode as close as the event or people are on the news.
In the USA, Saturday Night Live does exactly the same thing in their Cold Open skit and their News report segments. But the twist in South Park's parodies is to show how national events, scandals or celebrities affect people living in this mountain town in Colorado.

When I saw the episode, my thought was that the many topics on the parody, especially the focus on having a Brand to exploit, were based on everything we discuss in here but with humor. If you dissect the short episode on the topics, you get in 24 minutes all of the discussion pages we had lately. And it was so funny now I need to find the episode they dedicated to Will and Kate's wedding several years ago too.

The best part was the episode shows hope for Harry, because in the end he just wants to be accepted as he is. And that was a nice moment to watch.

[Kaye1850]

Here’s South Park:
https://southpark.cc.com/episodes/3n...season-26-ep-2

[Denville]

Originally Posted by muriel

IMO, the Obama approach can only be achieved from a track record of public service and delivery, and with a positive message.

Whilst Harry had certanly achieved a reasonable amount in the charitable world (eg, Invictus) whist a working royal, their exit from the RF and their behaviour since has hardly been graceful or seamless. Their judgement can certainly be questioned when in their pointless airing of family disputes and endlessly attempt to position themselves as victims.

I am yet to see any attempts to use their worldwide fame to create a positive impact in a situation, just shameless and cynical attempts to cash in on their royal past.

They never wanted to be serious minded philanthropists like the Obamas, they went ot the US to make money and hang out with HOllywood.

[Curryong]

How do the Sussexes ‘hang out with Hollywood’? They are hardly ever seen at social events with people in show business. Nor are they seen on red carpets at award shows etc.

[Denville]

I seem to remember a party at Courtenay Cox's house. Not to mention being at Ellen's commitment ceremony or whatever it was.

[Curryong]

The party at Courtenay Cox’s house was years ago. And one commitment ceremony at a friend’s house hardly signifies a constant whirl of fun and gaiety with the Hollywood set. When was the last time you saw the Sussexes on the red carpet, since they moved to the US?

[Sunnystar]

For the better part of the first two years that the Sussexes have lived in the US, there was a pandemic happening and there weren't a lot of "red carpet" events happening in LA/Hollywood, and the ones that were held had very limited capacity, so I wouldn't have expected them to get an invitation unless they were a nominee. They certainly are moving in those social circles in SoCal, though, whether they're being snapped on the red carpet or not.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Sunnystar

For the better part of the first two years that the Sussexes have lived in the US, there was a pandemic happening and there weren't a lot of "red carpet" events happening in LA/Hollywood, and the ones that were held had very limited capacity, so I wouldn't have expected them to get an invitation unless they were a nominee. They certainly are moving in those social circles in SoCal, though, whether they're being snapped on the red carpet or not.

very true. Those are the ones we've heard about, and odds are that they are now going to a lot more private parties with Hollywoold types. Its obvious anyway that that is where their heart is, that's what they wanted out of life... to go to the US, make money and hang out with the rich and starry.

[Heavs]

South Park satirises everyone (including religions and ideals held by their own staff and actors) and Trey Parker and Matt Stone used to talk a lot about how it was their version of dealing with growing up in Littleton Colorado (the healthy version). From the clips I've seen I think it hits a couple of nails with the "we want privacy" whilst giving interviews. I haven't watched a full episode in years. It in itself probably won't do them any harm but there is a bit of a steady drip now.

The party at Courtenay Cox’s house was years ago. And one commitment ceremony at a friend’s house hardly signifies a constant whirl of fun and gaiety with the Hollywood set. When was the last time you saw the Sussexes on the red carpet, since they moved to the US?

Getting awards on The Intrepid Gala and The Ripple of Hope. Those show they want to be included in big humanitarian events but have to settle for just off A list. There were many articles from the usual suspects that "They would turn down a Met Gala invite if it was sent". And They were "busy with family celebrations during Obama's big bash" sure.

I don't know who they socialise with and don't necessarily think it's fair to drag anyone into this but considering the complete lack of discretion both have shown in all circumstances they would tell us who they here hanging out with one way or the other if it was beneficial. A People article confirmed that Harry liked spending time with billionaire silicon valley types (albeit without naming names) FFS. There's a reason beyond "Meghan was born in LA" to where they positioned themselves instead of buying house in say Jackson Hole Wyoming or Telluride or another discreet wealthy enclave.

Samantha is to the Sussexes what the Sussexes are to the BRF. I don't want it to come to trial in the slightest but I don't think it's about money and Meghan and Samantha definitely share many of the same traits. I think both would be happier if they actually did concentrate on themselves for a while and take an internet/SM break.

[muriel]

Originally Posted by Denville

very true. Those are the ones we've heard about, and odds are that they are now going to a lot more private parties with Hollywoold types. Its obvious anyway that that is where their heart is, that's what they wanted out of life... to go to the US, make money and hang out with the rich and starry.

And, IMO, H&M are entitled to make the choices that they have made. A life of public service is not for everybody. To quote, "service is " not "universal"!