The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 7: Oct. 2022 - Apr. 2023

[victor1319]

It seems inappropriate to me as well. ... He would not be entitled to give or receive a salute, based on current rules. I don't believe Harry is, either.

Yeah, but Harry is still a Prince! And Prince is, since the UK is still a monarchy and with the long history of princely admirals and army leaders, not de jure but de facto in reality a rank.

Plus: Were at his visit in Hawaii to commemorate the dead of the attack at Pearl Harbour on the anniversary... were there other high standing personalities there? I do not know if President Biden was there, VP Harris or somebody. Prince Harry might have been the highest ranking person there... and he was honored as an 'honorer'.

 

[SirGyamfi1]

Yeah, but Harry is still a Prince! And Prince is, since the UK is still a monarchy and with the long history of princely admirals and army leaders, not de jure but de facto in reality a rank.

Plus: Were at his visit in Hawaii to commemorate the dead of the attack at Pearl Harbour on the anniversary... were there other high standing personalities there? I do not know if President Biden was there, VP Harris or somebody. Prince Harry might have been the highest ranking person there... and he was honored as an 'honorer'.

But here’s the thing, He represents nobody but himself, certainly not the Crown or the government so it means nothing.

 

[US Royal Watcher]

Yeah, but Harry is still a Prince! And Prince is, since the UK is still a monarchy and with the long history of princely admirals and army leaders, not de jure but de facto in reality a rank.

Plus: Were at his visit in Hawaii to commemorate the dead of the attack at Pearl Harbour on the anniversary... were there other high standing personalities there? I do not know if President Biden was there, VP Harris or somebody. Prince Harry might have been the highest ranking person there... and he was honored as an 'honorer'.

Harry may be a prince but he was not present in an official capacity. The U.S. doesn't recognize royalty. I doubt that Beatrice or Eugenie would receive a salute.

 

[Magnolia471]

Yeah, but Harry is still a Prince! And Prince is, since the UK is still a monarchy and with the long history of princely admirals and army leaders, not de jure but de facto in reality a rank.

Plus: Were at his visit in Hawaii to commemorate the dead of the attack at Pearl Harbour on the anniversary... were there other high standing personalities there? I do not know if President Biden was there, VP Harris or somebody. Prince Harry might have been the highest ranking person there... and he was honored as an 'honorer'.

He still a prince? Yeah, a prince that is complaining about hierarchy on a Netflix "documentary".
He doesn't represent the monarchy anymore so he doesn't deserve any pearks that comes with it.

 

[Curryong]

Did Harry ask for perks of any sort? Whether a working royal or not, my guess is that as son of the British King he was treated as being a VIP.

And he was, as an ex serviceman himself and moreover one who has served twice on tours of duty in Afghanistan, very respectful, it was reported. The top brass Admirals weren’t forced to speak to Harry if they didn’t wish to. And no doubt they have heard of his role in the Invictus Games.

 

[HRHHermione]

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 7: October 2022-

Did Harry ask for perks of any sort? Whether a working royal or not, my guess is that as son of the British King he was treated as being a VIP.

And he was, as an ex serviceman himself and moreover one who has served twice on tours of duty in Afghanistan, very respectful, it was reported. The top brass Admirals weren’t forced to speak to Harry if they didn’t wish to. And no doubt they have heard of his role in the Invictus Games.

The children of a U.S. President would not be entitled to be treated that way on a visit unless they merited it on their own through military service and it would inflame many parts of the country to see Chelsea Clinton, Ivanka Trump, Jenna and Barbara Bush or Hunter Biden saluted and giving the salute.

It’s hard to justify treating the children of a foreign dignitary there on a private visit with that courtesy given that it’s not even extended to family here. It would be different in an official or diplomatic capacity.

 

[Curryong]

But Harry is an ex serviceman, who has served in war zones. Chelsea, Ivanka and the Bush twins haven’t served any time in the military forces. And nobody at Pearl Harbour among the naval military brass or anybody else has questioned it as far as is known. The admirals etc wouldn’t have taken part if they had objected.

 

[HRHHermione]

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 7: October 2022-

But Harry is an ex serviceman, who has served in war zones. Chelsea, Ivanka and the Bush twins having served any time in the military forces. And nobody at Pearl Harbour among the naval military brass or anybody else has questioned it as far as is known. The admirals etc wouldn’t have taken part if they had objected.

Ex U.S. Servicemen aren’t given the salute either unless they are in uniform or are wearing a Medal of Honor. Harry isn’t eligible to give it or receive it in the U.K.- you can actually see that during the Queen’s funeral when they pass the Cenotaph.

It’s clearly not the end of the world or anything major, but it’s a breach of protocol, Harry knows it, and I think he could have shown better judgment about it.

 

[Curryong]

Surely however, it was up to the US military authorities at Pearl Harbour to determine who gets salutes and is given military honours when someone in the public eye visits their base, especially people who have served their country.

As I understand it Harry was there to place a wreath on the waves in honour of US war dead, not primarily at least, to hob nob with senior officers or get a guided tour. As far as is known he didn’t ask for any of it. It was the US Navy and the Pearl Harbour officials who arranged that.

 

[HRHHermione]

Surely however, it was up to the US military authorities at Pearl Harbour to determine who gets salutes and is given military honours.

As I understand it Harry was there to place a wreath on the waves in honour of US war dead, not primarily at least, to hob nob with senior officers or get a guided tour. As far as is known he didn’t ask for any of it. It was the US Navy and the Pearl Harbour officials who arranged that.

Very true. My objection is more on what photos Archewell chose to release. They chose to release this one, and presumably that’s approved by the Sussex couple. There wouldn’t have been anything to criticize in a photo of a wreath laying or him conversing with military personnel.

 

[LadyRaven]

Yeah, but Harry is still a Prince! And Prince is, since the UK is still a monarchy and with the long history of princely admirals and army leaders, not de jure but de facto in reality a rank.

Plus: Were at his visit in Hawaii to commemorate the dead of the attack at Pearl Harbour on the anniversary... were there other high standing personalities there? I do not know if President Biden was there, VP Harris or somebody. Prince Harry might have been the highest ranking person there... and he was honored as an 'honorer'.

His visit was on American Veterans Day in November. The highest ranks in attendance were Admiral Samuel Paparo (Cmdr US Pacific Fleet) & Admiral John Aquilino (Cmdr US Indo Pacific Command). Not really a fan of aquilino because of his actions or lack there of during The USS Theodore Roosevelt incident in 2020. You best believe those two are getting salutes

 

[wbenson]

I think given that Prince Harry cannot salute or receive the salute in the UK since he no longer possesses honorary military appointments and is no longer a member of the armed forces, he shouldn’t have taken one from US soldiers. It seems inappropriate.

I'm pretty sure all HRHs are saluted in the UK regardless of their appointments or "working" status.

 

[Denville]

I'm pretty sure all HRHs are saluted in the UK regardless of their appointments or "working" status.

why would you say that? Pss Beatrice and Eugenie are HRHS, would they be saluted?

 

[Iluvbertie]

I'm pretty sure all HRHs are saluted in the UK regardless of their appointments or "working" status.

No they aren't.

Only the monarch is saluted when they are out of uniform. Royals are only saluted when in uniform.

 

[wbenson]

why would you say that? Pss Beatrice and Eugenie are HRHS, would they be saluted?

Yes, I believe so. Obviously they're not ever in a position to review parades and the like, but I'm fairly certain they're saluted by the sentries if they go through the gates at one of the residences, or if they alight from a car at an event where the car doors are being opened by members of the armed forces.

Edit: Here is their arrival at the Beating Retreat in 2018. Salutes all around for them.

 

[SLV]

Can't it just be that after all those years in the military, saluting is so ingrained in his system that he does so automatically?

 

[CyrilVladisla]

No they aren't.

Only the monarch is saluted when they are out of uniform. Royals are only saluted when in uniform.

Was King Edward VIII of England saluted after the Abdication?

 

[Claire]

Was King Edward VIII of England saluted after the Abdication?

Yes - in Barbados. But not in France and the US when he went on a book tour. I don't think staging pics was a thing then. Also this was after the war and people had moved on from him. If he had written his book directly after the abdication and ran to the US for promotion it might have been a different thing.

 

[Hallo girl]

Was there not a story that the royal children were saluted by the sentries until the queen became aware that one of them was constantly walking past the sentry to force them to salute.
The rules were changed, I think they had to be a certain age before they were saluted.

I cannot recall who the child was or which generation i.e. children or grand children.

I am sure somebody on here will remember, it is probably on the wrong thread as well .

 

[HRHHermione]

I'm pretty sure all HRHs are saluted in the UK regardless of their appointments or "working" status.

Harry is not entitled to use the HRH anymore so that wouldn’t apply to him now.

If you watch the video of him with the rest of the family at the funeral, he and Andrew do not salute when others do.

 

[Hallo girl]

I think I am correct in saying that he still has HRH but the late Queen did not want it to be used for business purposes. So any reference in his business dealings he will be the Duke of Sussex not HRH The Duke of Sussex.

 

[Ghost]

I think I am correct in saying that he still has HRH but the late Queen did not want it to be used for business purposes. So any reference in his business dealings he will be the Duke of Sussex not HRH The Duke of Sussex.

The HRH is put into abeyance, I believe, for all purposes. This is from an article in the guardian from the time: “Buckingham Palace said that the couple would “no longer use their HRH titles”, but will retain them and Harry will continue to be a prince.”

 

[duchessrachel]

He still a prince? Yeah, a prince that is complaining about hierarchy on a Netflix "documentary".
He doesn't represent the monarchy anymore so he doesn't deserve any pearks that comes with it.

Yes, if hierarchy bothers him so badly, he should renounce his titles of Prince, duke, and HRH.

 

[Denville]

Yes, I believe so. Obviously they're not ever in a position to review parades and the like, but I'm fairly certain they're saluted by the sentries if they go through the gates at one of the residences, or if they alight from a car at an event where the car doors are being opened by members of the armed forces.

Edit: Here is their arrival at the Beating Retreat in 2018. Salutes all around for them.

Im not sure? Is Bea represneting the queen at this? or is the salute to her military escort? Im not arguing, just trying to be clear.

 

[Sionevar]

Yes, if hierarchy bothers him so badly, he should renounce his titles of Prince, duke, and HRH.

I think Harry likes the royal hierarchy just fine. He's just annoyed because he's not closer to the top.

 

[mothrpoet]

Denville is making a valid point, I think I am correct in saying that gifts to Diana from a foreign country would be part of the royal collection but a gift between Charles and her would be personal.

I am not so sure about wedding presents , possibly if a piece of historical family jewellery it would be returned.

On the other hand Meghan is quite low key on jewellery so she possibly doesn’t wear some of the pieces.

I believe all jewels with a royal provenance were returned to the royal family upon Diana’s death, probably per her divorce settlement. The brooch was a gift from the Queen Mother, and she was gifted the Prince of Wales brooch. Both were returned to the Crown, as were loans, such as the Lovers Knot tiara and the emerald choker. Gifts from foreign dignitaries remain property of the Crown, to be used at His/Her discretion.

 

[Durham]

I’m glad to see Gayle King say she doesn’t think the Royal Family are racist … and she also doesn’t think the Sussexes believe that either.

Daily Mail’s Jan Moir attended the New York event … back on table 98, but still able to hear Harry and Meghan laughing uproariously … and put the question to Ms King.

It was nice to see her be so direct in her answer, a well-known American, not trying to be on both sides of the issue.

She said what?!?

Anybody else confused? I thought she & Winfrey & H&M believed the rf was racist or at least one of them was. I can't keep up!

 

[duchessrachel]

She said what?!?

Anybody else confused? I thought she & Winfrey & H&M believed the rf was racist or at least one of them was. I can't keep up!

Well, you know, it is "their" truth.

 

[Curryong]

Why would Gayle King know whether anyone was racist or not? And her comment was conveyed in an spare moment to a particular journalist who has been a stern critic of the Sussexes.

We have never seen Harry or Meghan speaking on camera and stating that the entire Royal Family is racist. Meghan didn’t even complain about Princess Michael and the brooch she wore to the extended family lunch, which the media at the time made a huge fuss about.

 

[CyrilVladisla]

I think Harry likes the royal hierarchy just fine. He's just annoyed because he's not closer to the top.

Did not Prince Henry realize that Someday Prince William might marry and eventually father children?
Whether it is one child or ten children, each child of William's puts Harry further in the line of succession.