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Old 09-24-2021, 10:01 PM
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With the Sussex couple now being private citizens and living in the US and US politicians and movers and shakers aren't in any way under the jurisdiction of the UK government (or the Queen), it would stand to reason, at least for me, that the UK government and/or the Queen have absolutely no ground to run interference on anything at all the Sussexes do unless it's in the UK and/or pertains to the British government and its monarchy. They, perhaps could ask "Please" and present a request is about as far as it would go.

Then again, this leaves the Sussexes (who are as green as grass entering the world they are on their own) on a make it or break it level where only they will determine how things go into the future. Wrong moves may teach them lessons. Experience will be their best teacher.
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Old 09-24-2021, 10:36 PM
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All good questions.

There has been speculation that, whilst in NY, they had security by the Department of Homeland Security, I wonder why that may be appropriate?
If I remember correctly, Harry's anger at losing security was that when posing the question "has our security situation changed", he was told it had not, but your family situation has. I can only imagine that some official smart cookie decided it would be messy if a nutter carried out any of the noted threats on their watch.
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Old 09-24-2021, 10:42 PM
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Nope. Most Americans do not give one single fig about Harry and Meghan meeting anyone that wants to meet them. No one in the general public cares here.
I really agree with how you put this! They are not a big deal to Americans- more pseudo celebrities.
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Old 09-24-2021, 10:45 PM
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They get to meet elected officials because of who they are. That's unfair access. That's certainly a form of corruption.

Can't believe many Americans will be be happy with that. A resident foreign prince possibly having the ear of elected officials for decades to come. Raises all sorts of questions surely.
Elected officials here donít take them seriously. Itís all about the publicity it brings to the elected officials
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Old 09-24-2021, 10:55 PM
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Well, if the Sussexes and their trip arenít featured in US newspapers and according to the British tabloid media are vile, irrelevant and of no importance one wouldnít have thought that elected officials would bother!
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Old 09-24-2021, 11:29 PM
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Well, if the Sussexes and their trip arenít featured in US newspapers and according to the British tabloid media are vile, irrelevant and of no importance one wouldnít have thought that elected officials would bother!
It was featured in the NY Post - wasnít very flattering- will certainly be very flattering in People magazine. And will probably be also in USA Today. Iíve not seen anything yet in The NY Times - not sure I will but will let you know. Elected officials here bother because they were asked, Iím sure, and it does give them some publicity. But not really in the serious press; again, as pseudo celebrities and relatives of HM with the title of ďprinceĒ for Harry at least. People here who arenít royal watchers like us are clueless about duke and duchess titles.

Idk, did anyone see it on CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, or Fox?

I agree with the comment of Angelina Jolie having access in the UK - very similar, except that Harry is also Dianaís son which gives him an extra Je ne sais quoi.
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Old 09-25-2021, 12:06 AM
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What exactly did they donate $25,000 to: Melba's the for-profit business, or some kind of charity run by Melba's and aimed at helping Melba's employees? I've seen conflicting reports, but no one really seems sure. The former just seems ridiculous, and even the latter is odd given that most restaurants are begging for workers and paying much more than they did pre-covid.
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Old 09-25-2021, 12:51 AM
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They get access because they are the Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland's grandson and his wife. Top tier British Royals have always and will always have access to the upper classes and the elected officials in the USA. That's the way it is, and the way it has been since at least the 1860's and Albert Edward's cross country trip in the USA.



Protected? On the taxpayer's dime? Only if it's a US government function they are at. Otherwise private security.

Feted? Yes. Of course. They will always be A-list and will be treated that way here.
Another one of the Queen's grandchildren lives in New York City with her husband, and I've never heard of her asking for, or getting, that sort of official attention and privileges.
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Old 09-25-2021, 12:57 AM
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Who is that? All the Queenís grandchildren are well known and Iíve never heard of one who lives fulltime in NY with her husband. The only three married granddaughters that I know of live in England.
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Does Beatrice no longer live there? I know she's in the UK currently, but her job was originally based out of New York, and she lived there for several years. I don't recall her ever being greeted like a visiting dignitary, because she wasn't one. There were no DHS motorcades, either.
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Old 09-25-2021, 02:01 AM
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Does Beatrice no longer live there? I know she's in the UK currently, but her job was originally based out of New York, and she lived there for several years. I don't recall her ever being greeted like a visiting dignitary, because she wasn't one. There were no DHS motorcades, either.
I think if we really look at this objectively through the eyes of someone that isn't a royal watcher like us and didn't stay up to the minute on the antics of this couple over the past two years and read a report on what this couple is doing in NY, why they are there, and all the trimmings that come with these reports, we'd probably go "meh..." and move on to something more interesting in the news.

As I've stated before, I don't believe that anything that has come to pass has anything to do with being given the royal red carpet and courtesies. The very high security could have been for anything from chatter on the DHS of possible terrorists attacks to a whole lot of other things they don't make public every day. I'm linking a good article containing a speech by Christopher Wray, Director of the FBI as he addressed the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, Washington, D.C., September 21, 2021.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/t...11-wray-092121

To us, it's easy to think that because Harry and Meghan still *do* remain royal that any *special" treatment must be due to their royal status. I don't think that's so if you really look at other possibilities of the possible causes for things such as the DHS motorcade, high security at the time etc.

I'm trying to remain objective in all this. Put aside anything I think of the couple personally and follow this weekend's events with a clear mind.
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Old 09-25-2021, 02:43 AM
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Does Beatrice no longer live there? I know she's in the UK currently, but her job was originally based out of New York, and she lived there for several years. I don't recall her ever being greeted like a visiting dignitary, because she wasn't one. There were no DHS motorcades, either.
Beatrice has never lived permanently in the US, though she was there frequently as her mother has been over the years. And Beatrice was certainly not married when she did.
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Old 09-25-2021, 04:58 AM
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It's hard to believe that Harry perceives this as anything other than a PR op after pushing the little children away in the beginning of the video. I've never held a positive opinion about the Sussexes but now I'm beyond shocked.
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Old 09-25-2021, 05:00 AM
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Beatrice has never lived permanently in the US, though she was there frequently as her mother has been over the years. And Beatrice was certainly not married when she did.
And she is much less famous worldwide than Harry.
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Old 09-25-2021, 05:46 AM
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And she is much less famous worldwide than Harry.
True, I bet Harry&Meghan can go by first name only, like Cher and Madonna
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I believe there are enough Americans who are happy Meghan and Harry live not only in the US but do public appearances there.

The fact that the Kennedys have been called "American Royalty" tells me there is a wish to have some sort of aristocracy/royalty for their own and Harry is, as son of the future king of the UK, a direct line descendant of the king who lost the US to freedom (whatever that means when it comes to that in the US) and independance. His wife is beautiful, they are in love and they bring a message of doing good and helping the poor. What's to be against that?

Not all posters here like them and say they pretend to be "above their station", but how can you be above your station when you are a British Royal prince and meet with American dignitaries? These people are all upper crust for most Americans, so let them meet!
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Old 09-25-2021, 02:36 PM
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The Duke and Duchess of Sussex visited the United Nations and attended Global Citizen Live in Central Park today, September 25:


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I believe there are enough Americans who are happy Meghan and Harry live not only in the US but do public appearances there.

The fact that the Kennedys have been called "American Royalty" tells me there is a wish to have some sort of aristocracy/royalty for their own and Harry is, as son of the future king of the UK, a direct line descendant of the king who lost the US to freedom (whatever that means when it comes to that in the US) and independance. His wife is beautiful, they are in love and they bring a message of doing good and helping the poor. What's to be against that?

Not all posters here like them and say they pretend to be "above their station", but how can you be above your station when you are a British Royal prince and meet with American dignitaries? These people are all upper crust for most Americans, so let them meet!
Harry may be a prince but heís not representing the British government or the royal family here. This basically removes substance from this visit. They are basically two celebrities walking around in expensive clothes and asking attention for stuff that they feel is important. Just like George Clooney and Angelina Jolie have done for years, except I believe they sometimes go on assignments for the UN (correct me if Iím wrong). And I feel like Harry and Meghan are hoping to become UN representatives as well.

They should do what they want with their lives but this visit has nothing to do with Harry being a royal. If anything I think his poor grandmother is probably praying they wonít cause more damage.
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As I watched the recent events with Harry & Meghan, I can't help but make comparison to the cemetery visit/photoshoot in 2020, more specifically the meeting with Bill de Blasio. In other words, without sounding too critical and disparaging, they are doing things that they walked away from as working royals. From a more sinister point of view, as expressed by those who are anti-Sussexes, Harry & Meghan are trying to rival with the British Royal Family whilst residing in America.

As previous posters have pointed out, the Sussexes are now less likely to be bound by the UK government & Palace staff when it comes to meeting/discussing with politicians, ambassadors or dignitaries in comparison to working royals.
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Old 09-26-2021, 07:18 AM
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https://www.un.org/sg/en/node/259643

Read out of the conversation that Harry and Meghan had with the UN Ambassador on their trip to NY. Nothing anyone could object to there.

Harry also met the President of Angola on this trip. The conversation was about wildlife, land mines and climate change but nothing untoward was reported about that conversation either.

https://mobile.twitter.com/scobie/st...42899913478146
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