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Old 10-21-2021, 05:52 PM
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I am sure that the organizations that are behind this campaign for paid leave for all are very pleased to have Meghan speak out for their cause but I seriously doubt that it will have any kind of impact on the legislation itself. But that´s the American way. Citizens have the right to express their opinions at any time.

Nothing really majorly inappropriate was actually done although Iḿ sure a lot of people will be scratching their heads at British peerage titles being used but it´s not uncommon for a person to use their professional letterheads to write letters to anyone.

Give it 3 days and the world will move on to something else if they already haven´t. This is not a big deal by any means.
Although she did nothing inappropiate with using "The Office of the Duke & Duchess of Sussex" and "Meghan, Duchess of Sussex", I found it odd and almost confusing since she is using a British title whilst expressing her opinion on an incredibly important topic that is a US issue. I think if she had used "Meghan Markle", the message would have been so much more powerful as this would show her "American roots". Using the Duchess title in this case almost watered down her message
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Old 10-21-2021, 07:21 PM
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Maybe there is ONE person in the world who doesn't know that MM is Duchess of Sussex ! LOL !
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Old 10-21-2021, 07:33 PM
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Meghan Markle was Meghan’s professional name when she was an actress. She hasn’t used it since before her marriage to Harry. She is a Duke’s wife, whether she lives in the US or not. I really don’t see why she should be forced into using her maiden name or a surname like Mountbatten- Windsor which she doesn’t use, in order to satisfy others. If Meghan is a Duchess, and she is, then IMO she shouldn’t be automatically reproved for signing her own name and styling to a letter.
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Old 10-21-2021, 07:54 PM
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Meghan Markle was Meghan’s professional name when she was an actress. She hasn’t used it since before her marriage to Harry. She is a Duke’s wife, whether she lives in the US or not. I really don’t see why she should be forced into using a maiden name or surname like Mountbatten- Windsor which she doesn’t use, in order to satisfy others. If Meghan is a Duchess, and she is, then IMO she shouldn’t be automatically reproved for signing her own name and styling to a letter.
Although I've stated that it did look odd to write to US federal legislators and use the peerage titles and stationery, as long as the Queen, the palace and the British government don't have a problem with how Meghan signs her name, neither will I.
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Old 10-21-2021, 08:12 PM
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...as long as the Queen, the palace and the British government don't have a problem with how Meghan signs her name...
They might very well. Using your royally-granted title to write to Congress as a US citizen, not as a private act but as a PR one, is basically exactly the sort of "royal/politics mixing" that's anathema to the BRF. Not respecting the Queen or what she represents, at all.

We just may not have heard about the problem, yet.
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Old 10-21-2021, 08:23 PM
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They might very well. Using your royally-granted title to write to Congress as a US citizen, not as a private act but as a PR one, is basically exactly the sort of "royal/politics mixing" that's anathema to the BRF. Not respecting the Queen or what she represents, at all.

We just may not have heard about the problem, yet.
There's a difference here though. Harry and Meghan aren't using "royal" titles but rather peerage titles. I would presume that there's no problem with peers being in politics at all seeing that as one whole branch of the British Parliament consists of the House of Lords.
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Old 10-21-2021, 08:26 PM
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As a US citizen, Meghan has the right to voice her thoughts in a letter to her representatives on any matter. Most US citizens contact the representatives that are elected from their area though. I do agree that using a British peerage title seems awfully strange to see when it concerns American politics and policy.



As much as I think the letter was well written and brings up some great points of why paid leave for all is a grand idea, I don't see it happening on a federal level. Right now, places are finding it hard to find employees. I don't see places like McDonald's or Burger King hiring in people and giving them paid leave for maternity/paternity. Not on hourly paid wages anyways. A salaried employee for a corporation may be different and include this in their employment package (some already do). Many employers already honor maternity leaves but paternity leaves for the father isn't something that is generally something included in employment packages.



I believe, honestly, that the US government would be best to leave this up to the individual employers to add or not as they choose. Let's get this country's employment rate to a better level before we start debating how much paid leave for new parents is included.



Nice try, Meghan, though. Not every job in the US is equipped to offer paid leave for an extended time for new parents though.

Very good point raised Osipi, especially on the variations between different companies across industry. Without going to far into politics, the idea of paid leave is very complex and certainly not “one size fits all”. I could see why there are rigorous debates.

Honestly, I think Meghan is going into the muddy water of US politics whilst signing off with a British peerage title. I agree with previous posters, where it’s odd that Meghan is “campaigning” or speaking about US legislative topics while still using a British peerage title from marrying Harry. It also goes against the grain that Meghan is a “strong independent women”, where some modern feminists have been adamant about.
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Old 10-21-2021, 09:14 PM
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There's a difference here though. Harry and Meghan aren't using "royal" titles but rather peerage titles. I would presume that there's no problem with peers being in politics at all seeing that as one whole branch of the British Parliament consists of the House of Lords.
Royally-granted, as all titles are. Further to that, do or did you see the late DoE, the Earl of Wessex, or the Duke of Cambridge sitting in the House of Lords — or working as members of the British Royal Family?

Meghan and Harry are not using the titles to sound like British peers. They're using them because they were granted them solely as members of the BRF — as new peerages are generally confined to, these days.

As Duke of Sussex if Harry had ever wanted a seat in the current House of Lords? I would have liked to have seen him try.

The Duke of Windsor was given his peerage nearly solely to prevent him from getting into anything political in the UK.

And British peers in American politics? Yes, there might be a problem.
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Old 10-21-2021, 09:40 PM
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There's a difference here though. Harry and Meghan aren't using "royal" titles but rather peerage titles. I would presume that there's no problem with peers being in politics at all seeing that as one whole branch of the British Parliament consists of the House of Lords.
Okay, so, they're using their British peerage titles when writing a letter to US politicians about US politics. Do we think that Sir Richard Branson would sign an open letter on the same topic to the same officials as "Sir Richard Branson, former Chairman/CEO of Virgin Group"? Or would he just sign it without the "Sir"? The "Sir" certainly wouldn't carry more weight and, frankly, most Americans would raise an eyebrow at it if he wrote an open letter to US politicians on any issue and included it. Even though he's perfectly entitled to it, Americans would be all "uhm, yeah, no, don't care about your British title, thankyouverymuch."

Meghan was totes using her British style because it is what makes her famous. And, let's just cut to the chase, being an ensemble cast member of a cable TV drama doesn't make you "A-list" Hollywood famous. It doesn't even make you "B-list" Hollywood famous unless you're the lead. It does make her successful, in the sense that she was paying the bills and making connections that gave her other income stream opportunities, but it does not make her famous. Dating and then marrying Harry made her famous.
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Old 10-21-2021, 09:52 PM
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If most Americans wouldn’t, as you say about Richard Branson including his title in a letter, ‘care about his title, thank you very much’ (in other words not take any notice) why does it matter so much if Meghan signs herself Duchess of Sussex? If people don’t take notice then it shouldn’t make any difference, should it.
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Old 10-21-2021, 10:27 PM
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop...-meghan-markle

There are several outlets reporting this information. I will be surprised if it influences Parliament, but I hope it makes them pay attention.
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Old 10-21-2021, 10:31 PM
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If most Americans wouldn’t, as you say about Richard Branson including his title in a letter, ‘care about his title, thank you very much’ (in other words not take any notice) why does it matter so much if Meghan signs herself Duchess of Sussex? If people don’t take notice then it shouldn’t make any difference, should it.
That is not the correct interpretation of "don't care about your title, thankyouverymuch" from an American perspective. The correct interpretation is "your title is irrelevant and you are being pretentious by signing anything with a title since that's not something you earned through your own merit but something you got by being born into the right family or marrying the right man."

Though in the case of Richard Branson - he did at least earn his "Sir" by his own contributions to British industry and society.

It is absolutely something that people will notice - and most Americans will scoff at it and say, in the immortal words of that great Canadian songstress, Shania Twain, "that don't impress me much."
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Old 10-21-2021, 10:32 PM
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Although I've stated that it did look odd to write to US federal legislators and use the peerage titles and stationery, as long as the Queen, the palace and the British government don't have a problem with how Meghan signs her name, neither will I.

I don't think RF care what MM and Harry do at this point, RF has given up on them
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The Duchess of Sussex promoting her book "The bench":

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Together with Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, Director-General of the World Health Organization, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex have written an open letter to the G20 leaders claiming promises of vaccine donations were not reaching the most vulnerable:


** who.int: Meeting the COVID-19 vaccine commitments – Sign the open letter **
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TRF member TLLK has kindly provided the following news links:

The Duke of Sussex will speak on "Internet Lie Machine", an event hosted by Wired magazine on November 9.

The Duchess of Sussex will participate in an online conference hosted by the New York Times to discuss "women who reach economic and professional equality":

** californianewstimes: Prince Harry to speak out on ‘the internet lie machine’ and ‘media propaganda’ at Wired summit **

And as a follow-up for the Paid Leave appeal:

** thehill: Meghan Markle personally called GOP senators to push paid leave: report **
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'Yes.' She said, 'This is Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex," . Give me a break.

And on and on and on they go. They are just relentless in their exploitation of British heritage, history & culture. Ruthless in their disregard for decency & convention. No wonder so many in Britain regard them with an icy contempt.

This is what the woke would call cultural appropriation I think.
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'Yes.' She said, 'This is Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex," . Give me a break.

And on and on and on they go. They are just relentless in their exploitation of British heritage, history & culture. Ruthless in their disregard for decency & convention. No wonder so many in Britain regard them with an icy contempt.

This is what the woke would call cultural appropriation I think.
It seems that is what the senator thought as well...

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"Much to my surprise, she called me on my private line and she introduced herself as the Duchess of Sussex, which is kind of ironic," Collins told Politico's Senate reporter Marianne LeVine. “I was happy to talk with her. But I’m more interested in what the people of Maine are telling me about it."
Apparently, a Democratic senator gave out private phone numbers of several GOP (women) senators to Meghan, so she could use her British royal title to insert herself in American politics in an attempt to convince them to agree to paid family leave.
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Old 11-04-2021, 05:07 PM
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The rights or wrongs of her using her title aside, she just sounds stupid introducing herself to children like that. Saying, "Hi I'm Meghan", would have sounded much better as kids neither know nor care about what a Duchess is.
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The rights or wrongs of her using her title aside, she just sounds stupid introducing herself to children like that. Saying, "Hi I'm Meghan", would have sounded much better as kids neither know nor care about what a Duchess is.


You mean she doesn’t sound like a regular person? 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤯🤬
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